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Am I nuts?
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posted 04-19-2002 03:31 PM ET (US)
Ok, the water is getting warm. And I'm wanting to take my 13' 3 miles offshore to the nearest wreck for some scuba diving. I've done some inshore diving already to test the Whaler out, and although a little cramped, she did just fine. Am I crazy for thinking about taking the 13' offshore 3 miles in good weather? Now, to preface, I'm in SE NC, and growing up here, I've been offshore diving and fishing in bigger boats all my life. I've learned to read the weather and when and when not to go. Given that, on flat mornings I don't think it would be a problem. We hope to do a one tank dive and head for the hill. I'm hoping to be in the sound before the wind gets on the water. I'm going to outfit the 13 with a bigger gas tank and a VHF. Not sure if I should go with a fixed or handheld on the VHF tho.
posted 04-19-2002 04:00 PM ET (US)
Heck no, you aren't nuts! I heard there is a guy in Ocean City, MD who takes his 13 footer 50 miles out into the Atlantic to Baltimore Canyon. He is nuts....
I hear that he only goes when the weather is good and there is lots of other boat traffic going to the same place.
posted 04-19-2002 04:14 PM ET (US)
3 miles is about the limit for a handheld. If
someone to hear you is up or down the coast,
it grows a bit.
As a minimum, put an 8' 6 dB gain antenna on.
The upside of a handheld is that it will work
Me: I have have one of each.
posted 04-19-2002 04:35 PM ET (US)
DamesFly, I have been out 3-5 miles offshore fishing in the gulf in a 13. I'm getting ready to head back and do it again in June. I have a hand held and a cell phone. We watch the weather and use common sense. Regards, Jay: P.S. There is no other 13 I would do this with.
posted 04-19-2002 05:48 PM ET (US)
I just love diving out of my 13'. If you have a model with a "front seat", take it out, and you'll be amazed in the extra gear room. Take care,
posted 04-20-2002 06:31 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the replies! That settles it, I'm gonna take the 13 out. I bought a depthfinder today and hope to mount it tonight so I can find the wrecks. I bought a Humminbird Piranha. I really wanted the 3D model but I bought the smallest unit I could find, as the console of the 13 is spartan to say the least. I already have my Etrex mounted there and I'm almost out of room! I'm still not sure If I want to go with a fixed radio. I'm hoping to sell this boat next year and upgrade to a Montauk. I'm not sure if I would get my money out of the radio when I sell the 13. With a handheld, I can just use it with the Montauk. I will definately get a fixed radio with the 17' tho. Another factor is that there is a USCG station with a big radio tower right smack dab next to the inlet. I don't think I would have a problem raising them with a handheld. What do ya'll think?
posted 04-20-2002 08:13 PM ET (US)
The biggest problem isn’t the boat ride. It’s loosing the boat while you are down. You can take a third person if you are all light enough, or run with a second boat so you have someone on the surface to watch for problems like a hook coming out of the wreck. I have left an empty boat on occasion, but the wrecks in the Great Lakes are usually tied with mooring lines. I only do this if the weather is perfect (flat calm).
posted 04-20-2002 08:48 PM ET (US)
I think you should go with the fixed radio. If you are definately getting a fixed radio for the montauk then when your ready to sell the 13 take the radio out. Its not like the radio is going to be welded to the console.
Or, you could push the limits of a handheld for now and when you buy the montauk you will have two VHF's...extra insurance with extra cost.
Then again, you could get the fix radio alone as I said first and have a dual battery setup that will give you the same insurance with less cost plus you will have an extra battery for starting the outboard.
posted 04-20-2002 10:27 PM ET (US)
We used to take a 13' sport out to the nearshore wrecks and leave her unattended in my college years. Now that I look back on it, we were tempting fate. I know lots of divers do it, but you are risking losing the boat. I don't think I would do it now. We used 2 anchors, but we were still kinda wondering if the boat would still be there when we surfaced! Now we take 3 divers, and one diver gets to go twice, so there is always someone topside. I saw your website, BTW. Those are some nice dives you guys have up there! Do you do those deep dives on air? Trimix?
posted 04-21-2002 05:46 AM ET (US)
Most of the photos on the web site were taken while diving from a 13 Dauntless. I used a single HP 100 with air and slung an OMS 46 pumped a little past 50 for back up. The OMS is hung over the side on a lanyard before and after the dive. I clip it on while in the water so I can enter and exit like a sport diver. The deepest wreck on the site is the J. B. Cowle in 220 feet, but none of the photos were taken below 190. I have dove trimix since 1992, but those depth are pushing the Nikonos V
posted 04-22-2002 02:21 AM ET (US)
In 1970 I took my 13' Whaler From Gloucester,Ma to Boston for a Red Sox Game. South thru Mass. Bay, thru the locks of the Charles river and pulled my Whaler up a grass embankment which I "bicycle chained" her to a tree! About 65 miles round trip. That same year I went from Cape Ann to Cape Cod. Arrived in Provincetown,ate a hot dog,got fuel then headed back to Gloucester! About 85 miles round trip. I was 14 at the time and have yet to tell my parents!
posted 04-22-2002 08:41 AM ET (US)
done fudging: good story! thanks.
damselfly/wreckdiver: the solo diver surfacing to experience "the lost boat syndrome" really does happen.solo fishing/diving/swimming is probably risky behavior.
even if securely anchored,you can easily get into a wind /current change that'll make it impossible to get back on the boat..(mark spitz or johnny weissmuller not withstanding)it's tempting though. be careful...lm
posted 04-22-2002 01:55 PM ET (US)
A GOOD buddy team is great BUT: It
depends on the buddy. I'm safer diving solo
than I am with SOME buddies. And I wouldn't
take 90% of divers to some of the sites I do,
and they aren't THAT hard. And there are some
dives I won't do solo.
And when I've got my face buried in the camera
Given the current level of SCUBA certification,
Getting blown off the site by the current is
Being able to navigate underwater is cruicial.
There's risk in everything in life, from
BTW, when Wreckdiver mentioned an HP 100, no,
posted 04-22-2002 06:21 PM ET (US)
Damselfly: One thing I should have added: While cod fishing with my buddy in 1973 we were about 8 mile offshore when the wind changed and before we knew it we were in 15 foot seas! And it was getting worse. On the way back in we saw a tugboat about a half mile away and didn't think much of it. A few minutes later I heard a "rrrrip" in the water and shooting up from the foam a steel cable across my bow! I gunned the engine and climbed the crest of the wave as the cable "shot" back down into the seas about two feet astern!After I climbed the next crest we were amazed to see a barge of about 300' which was being towed by the tug!I'm glad my 40hp Evinrude had the power to get us out of there. At about a half mile away from the dock my engine started to sputter.She kept going but at only 3 mph. By that time we were in the protected harbor. It turned out that the lower cylinder sparkplug was wet.I'm glad it didn't happen while at sea.
posted 04-22-2002 07:19 PM ET (US)
I assume you're talking about diving the Liberty Ship of Wrightsville Beach, I'll see you out there in my 13 ft'r
posted 04-22-2002 07:38 PM ET (US)
I really shouldn’t say that I leave the boat empty. Mike Nelson (my Dachshund) is always in the boat.
posted 04-23-2002 03:04 AM ET (US)
A couple of years ago some divers I
know went to do a night dive off Monterey.
IIRC, they had three divers and a Golden
Retreiver on their inflatable. The wind was
blowing from the land side, which is unusual
in Monterey. They anchored, did the dive,
couldn't find the anchor, and surfaced. They
could barely see the masthead light on the
inflatable WAY offshore. Fortunately, they
were only a couple of hundred yards off the
beach and could swim in. One of the divers
was quite concerned about the dog and talked
the CG into a ride out to her boat. The
dog was sound asleep, but on his way to
Santa Cruz. ;-)
posted 04-23-2002 06:17 AM ET (US)
I tell everyone that Mike’s job is to bark at Lake Freighters, and get them to steer around the Whaler.
posted 04-23-2002 08:05 AM ET (US)
I was wondering if divers take a portable vhf radio on their dives, in a suitable case since even submersibles ones wouldn't survive a dive, to call for help in case they surface too far from their boat?
posted 04-23-2002 10:18 AM ET (US)
ah yes!!,...mike nelson...lloyd bridges...jacques c..good dive buddies like good boatwomen(and men)....are rare treasures indeed....lm
posted 04-23-2002 11:24 AM ET (US)
A very few divers, usually those doing remote
and offshore sites, carry a VHF or an EPIRB
in a waterproof tube. It's overkill for the
sites I do. There are a reasonable number of
boats around, and I carry: a whistle, an air
horn attached to my scuba tank, a bright orange
inflatable tube, two flashlights, and two
camera strobes. I figure I can attract lots of
attention if need be.
And there's a 100' line floating behind the
Some divers carry flares. And the serious
But prevention is first: good navigation, and
This conversation is probably more appropriate
posted 04-23-2002 05:56 PM ET (US)
Mike Nelson patrols on a 17 Montauk named “Raptured Loon”.
The dog was named by one of my dive buddies. We were diving a lot of antique gear, from the 50’s and 60’s at the time. We called ourselves the Mike Nelson dive team. I need to find a blue 13 so I can use my Royal Aquamaster in style.
posted 04-23-2002 08:48 PM ET (US)
The first Mike Nelson dove from the Argonaut. Check out http://diverlink.com/seahunt/
posted 04-24-2002 09:29 AM ET (US)
¾” Mahogany planking, Teak decks, diver were real men, and boats were real boats in that day. I wouldn’t have the guts to name my small glass Montauk after that boat.
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