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Cape Horn Boats - Unsinkable?
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posted 04-22-2002 12:35 PM ET (US)
Just saw an ad for Cape Horn boats - made in Florida. They claim to be unsinkable. Anyone know these boats? What's the quality? Are they truly unsinkable, or is just another company trying to get noticed on a Whaler trait?
posted 04-22-2002 02:24 PM ET (US)
Whaler is not the only unsinkable boat. By law all recreational boats under xx feet have been unsinkable with upright flotation since 19xx.
IMOP the Cape Horn is over priced it is a linerless hull. Nice lines though, a Sea Ray by any other name?
posted 04-22-2002 03:13 PM ET (US)
If you ask me, a Cape Horn, at least the one I looked at closely (17"), is one cheaply built boat, complete with spatter painted interior! Give me a Bayliner any day over one of those.
posted 04-22-2002 04:34 PM ET (US)
My brother-in-law has a 21 Cape Horn CC and it is very cheaply built (apparently) and is linerless (as mentioned above) and the gunwhales flex in a pounding sea! Not particularly easy to handle and has no endearing qualities that I can detect! Just an opinion! Happy ?Whalin;... Clark.. SCN
posted 04-22-2002 05:38 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the feedback, all! I like to try to keep up with most of the bigger names in boating, but this is one company I had not heard of before. The unsinkable notion is carried forward well with Edgewater and Maritime Skiff, but this Cape Horn boat was sort of out of the blue for me. The Maritime Skiff is linerless, and has a similar splatter-paint interior. People in the Northeast swear by them, and they get good reviews. Probably because the founder used to work at Whaler!
In any case, There is a 16 ft Cape Horn for sale in my neck of the woods with an 85 hp Yamaha, good bunk trailer, etc. It is in really nice shape, and does have appealing lines. It has some nice features, a 10 year hull warranty, and a lifetime transom warranty (some sort of super-built transom or something...)Good price, but what that means vs build quality, I'm not sure... A bayliner is better? Really? I'm holding out for a whaler, but the $$ keep shooting up on the used market. Gotta make a decision soon - get something decent I can afford, or wait another few years until I can afford a whaler... tough call....
posted 04-22-2002 07:39 PM ET (US)
Cape Horns are known as very wet riding boats. For being a composite hull with a horrid fit and finish, the boats are not worth the sticker price.
However if this boat is going to be used in very calm waters and carries a decent price tag, it might be worth a look.
posted 04-22-2002 07:45 PM ET (US)
Are you looking exclusively for a Center Console?? If not, and you don`t mind spending a little extra for great quality, may I suggest Penn Yan boats, they are made in Penn Yan,NY and are very welll made, I see them all over Lake Erie and have been in a few, they are made for the fisherman!!! Jack.
posted 04-22-2002 09:55 PM ET (US)
Jack - I am hung up on a center console - and more specifically - a Montauk. But, like I said, I may have to broaden my horizons to get on the water soon. We had a penn yan runabout inboard when I was a kid - fantstic boat. I continue to dream of a whaler - and I hope to own many in my lifetime - and can join the ranks of Clark Roberts, Bigz and the rest...
KeysNole - thanks for your comments, too - It is good to get honest feedback. The Cape Horn 16 I looked at appeared to be a pretty well-thoughout design, but like I mentioned, I don't know anything about them. If they have a bad rep, that is good to know...
posted 04-22-2002 11:25 PM ET (US)
The little I know about cape horns is that they are built around Destin, FL. The owners I've talked to seem to like their boats. They are more of a utilitarian (meat & potatoe) composite construction fishing boat.
posted 04-23-2002 01:19 AM ET (US)
I've fished on a Cape Horn 18 on about a half dozen occasions. The one piece of equipment I think should be standard for that boat is a wetsuit! Furthermore, the deck surface was akin to wet tile.
posted 04-23-2002 11:02 AM ET (US)
I have been to the Cape Horn facility; just outside of Pace, Fla. The Fabro brothers have been in the boat making business a long time and the boats have a fine reputation along the Gulf Coast. (I'm in Mobile) The earlier models were known for being wet and slippery but they have come out with a new 17' that is made for a 115 4 stroke;the wetness problem has been solved and is a fine boat. They have upgraded their Stainless and you can have them made with as few or as much extras as you like. I like them. Sportsman Marina in Fairhope, AL is a big dealer and has a good reputation.
posted 04-23-2002 11:15 AM ET (US)
So would foul weather gear work, or would I need the full wet suit? :) It's one thing if I get wet, but guests on board - that can make for a LONG and uncomfortable ride....
That is good to know, though - a wet ride ranks at the top in regards to usability. What about adding a bow dodger?
Don't the classic pre-smirk 16 foot hulls have the same rep - wet ride in rough conditions? What about the newer montauks with the smirk? It's well known that the outrage hulls (17 and up) are very dry riding... What about a 15 or even 13?
Thanks for the feedback about their facility and quality - good to know! This particular boat has found its way to the Northeast, so it would be interesting to see how it would ride in the choppy ocean conditions we have here - I imagine it would be a good lake boat, though...
posted 04-23-2002 01:09 PM ET (US)
MattR, here is a link to thehulltruth.com where there was a lengthy topic on Cape Horn boats. Hopefully this helps you out.
posted 04-23-2002 05:13 PM ET (US)
I have a 73` `16 Currituck and I had and sold a 71` `13 Sport and both ride rough and you do get wet, but I bought them for the looks and that awsome stable hull design, there deffinately is a give and take in that respects. Jack.
posted 04-23-2002 08:10 PM ET (US)
Keys - thanks for the link to the other discussion board - very informative. You can read all the brochures you want, but online boat forums have the real down-to-earth opinions of all those involved. Thanks again!
jack - I agree with you - there are good and bad attributes to most every boat out there, but you have to go with what you really like - the lines on whalers and overall looks have always appealed to me. In the end, you have to be happy with your decision, and I think whaler owners are happiest of all! Maybe someday soon I'll join those ranks -
posted 04-24-2002 07:53 AM ET (US)
Rode a Cape Horn out of Destin FL and got wet with the first wave we hit, and we had not left the marina. Got wet with every other wave for the rest of the trip. If you like to fish soaking wet, the Cape Horn is the boat for you.
posted 04-24-2002 08:21 AM ET (US)
Hey Doc -
How big was that cape horn you rode in? Do you know approx what year it was?
posted 04-24-2002 03:01 PM ET (US)
(sorry - I meant what model year was the boat - not what year you rode in it... :)
posted 04-27-2002 09:18 AM ET (US)
Cape Horn?..look at a key west. They are in the same price range.
posted 04-27-2002 10:21 AM ET (US)
1994 20 or 21 ft center console. I was also vert impressed by the lack of quality in the boat.
posted 04-27-2002 11:02 AM ET (US)
Hey one you left coast fellows should look to importing these babes from Aussie land.
posted 04-27-2002 04:32 PM ET (US)
Just a sidenote, these capehorn boats here ARE practically unsinkable. Take a look for your amusement.
I really like the Cape Horn vs. The Titanic (at the bottom of the page). Just caught this thread and thought it was funny where my mind went when talking about a Cape Horn.. didnt know there was any other kind until now.
posted 04-27-2002 07:05 PM ET (US)
Just for information the newly designed 17 and 19 are no longer wet boats. They changed the mold but only in these 2 boats. These boats are made for the cheap at heart so they can't be compared to higher end boats they aren't in their league. I have been on both the 17 and 19 they both did fine in the gulf for fishing. The 19 did great in 3-4 foot seas it was only a little wet. They are a starter boat and for the money you pay they sell a new 17 with a merc.90 at sportsman marine in fairhope for $15,000.00 without extras.
posted 02-17-2004 10:51 AM ET (US)
I MUST SAY THAT CAPEHORN BOATS ARE VERY STRONG
posted 02-17-2004 11:15 AM ET (US)
I have never ridden a Cape Horn, but I will be testing out the 24' Offshore.
It is interesting that this thread has resurfaced so I'll chime in with my "dry" appraisal of the 2004 24' that I've seen on land.
The specs: 24'10" LOA, 8'6" beam, 3800lb dry hull weight, 22 degrees deadrise, 250 gal fuel capacity, 400HP Max.
The price: $55K loaded w/ twin 200 optis, smartcraft, T-Top, etc.
The Shape: Deep V, 22 degree, ultra sharp entry, stepped hull, euro transom.
The Construction: One Piece Rolled gunnel, similar to Parker, without the gunnel cap. Very solid 12 layers of hand laid glass, foam filled hull, sprayed gelcoat liner. No wood construction, Fiberglass stringers and bulkheads. Everything thru-bolted well. 10 year Hull, lifetime transom warranty.
The amenities: Not much beyond the essentials. Huge locking console interior capable of supporting a porta potty, and storing much stuff. Large bow fish box, with smallish openings. Big 42 Gal. transom mounted livewell in the center, circular. Storage-ebox, leaning post storage, transom bait boxes. 16-rod holders with T-Top. The lack of a molded liner is not good looking.
Design questions: Batteries on high shelves in transom good dry access. Oil tanks in console, no remote fills but easy to access. Good access to pumps and riggings. Very good self bailing properties. Dual ram,heavy duty big hydraulic trim tabs. Windshield goes from Console and is tied into electronics box forming a complete shield.
Cockpit space: Huge amounts of space all around. toe kick is provided in the rear cockpit with extra buildout on the inside top of gunnels.
What I have heard: Solid, offshore, dry (yes the newer ones are dry from what I've heard), stable, good value, indestrucible, easily maintainable. Well represented by the company. People fish them very hard for charters, rental boats in FL, commercial applications, SKA. Nothing to break on the boat except for pre-2004 hatch covers which are cheap plastic hinged things. I heard it is very good in a head sea, good in a following sea, OK in a quartering sea.
posted 05-24-2007 10:15 AM ET (US)
I RUN A CHARTER SERVICE IN PENSACOLA, FLORIDA WITH A 2005 CAPE HORN 21 OFFSHORE WITH A 250 4 STROKE SUZUKI AND, I COULD NOT BE HAPPIER WITH THE BOAT. I HAVE HEARD THE OLDER MODELS HAD A WET RIDE BUT SURELY NOT THE CASE WITH THE NEW ONES. I OFTENLY SEE 4-6 FOOT CONDITIONS IN PENSACOLA PASS WITH NO PROBLEMS. IT IS A SUPER TOUGH MADE FISHING BOAT. THE ROUGH INTERIOR SURFACE PAINT IS HELPFUL IN BUSY, MESSY, FISHING CONDITIONS (WET FISH ON THE DECK) AND MAKES FOR EASY CLEAN UP. IT IS SMOOTH ENOUGH TO GO BARE FOOTED. HOWEVER, IS A FISHING BOAT NOT A LUXURY SPORT FISHING BOAT. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ARE COMPARING THIS BOAT WITH A BAYLINER.I JUST HAD A THROUGH HULL TRANSDUCER PUT IN AND THE HULL WAS OVER 2" THICK ON THE BOTTOM WHICH IS COMPARABLE TO A MUCH LARGER BOAT. ALSO, THE TRANSOM HAS A LIFETIME WARRANTY. IT ALSO HAS MANY OTHER NICE FEATURES SUCH AS A 6' INSULATED FISH COOLER, 128 GAL. GAS TANK, ROUND BAIT WELL, NO WOOD CONSTRUCTION, TRIM TABS.....I HAVEN'T BEEN ON A 16 FOOTER BUT, I WOULD PUT MINE UP AGAINST ANY 21' BOAT PRODUCED.
posted 08-22-2007 08:19 AM ET (US)
y'all keep saying older models....whats considered an older model?
I too am interested in a 21 Cape Horn 1998....is this a wet/dry vessel?
posted 08-22-2007 08:46 AM ET (US)
A 1998 is an older model, but give it a sea trial. One man's wet boat is another man's good offshore boat????
These boats are made in nearby Mariana (sp?), FL. They are very popular in the Alabama - Florida P'handle area. They are boats that have been evolving from small cheap boats into large, up to 36 feet, cost point boats. IMO, they are good value boats.
As stated the builder pays close attention to buyers and sellers and is in tune with aficionados of the brand. They aim to please.
The recent models I've seen are nicely finished and very acceptable for the intended use. They are not, of course, Whalers nor are they priced like Whalers. I admit to being an anal retentive Whaler owner. Fit and finish is very important, performance must be good, a place for everything on my 16 footer and everything in it's place, wash and wax whenever needed, covered when not in use. I don't think I'm too unlike many on the forum.
But, I'd be pleased to own a Cape Horn as a second boat for rough use. If my Whaler is my Boxter my Cape Horn would be my F-250 pickup.
posted 09-04-2007 08:40 PM ET (US)
Im interested in the 31ft cape horn Does anyone besides a dealer have any info on this boat Please get back to me and If everthing works out and I hear good things about the boat< Hopefully by the spring Ill be in one.
posted 09-04-2007 10:16 PM ET (US)
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posted 09-12-2007 09:11 PM ET (US)
I too am in love with the 31'-er. In fact, I find their smaller boats to be on a par with the Paramount (whhhock-THOOIE). WET, and CHEAPLY built. However, that 31 is one mighty sexy, and from what I hear, DRY ride. Well built, too. I think they (Cape Horn) may have gone through a sort of customer service renaissance. I've three friends in the 'hood (central Exumas, Bahamas) that have that 31', and they all swear by 'em. Even the guy what has twin SUZUKI'S pushing his... :P
To summarize, I'm hot in the market for a +/- 30' cruiser, I don't fish at all, but the Cape Horn is a stronger candidate than the Contender, Mako, BW, or Intrepid (now THERE'S an over-priced boat!).
J. Chris Cloud
posted 09-13-2007 03:52 AM ET (US)
We stayed down in Destin for over two weeks earlier this summer and I noticed a lot of Pro Line and Cape Horn. I did not get a close look at them but saw several about that were aboutthe size of our Nantucket 190. They looked OK from a distance but I did notice a slightly unfinished look to the interior best I could see. We had a couple of days of rough weather relatively speaking and not many boats were going out of the pass, it seems that pass there is a bit more treacherous than is widely known. It can put up a wall of green water completely across the opening that is a real eye opener. I assume locals purchase boats at least capable of handling the local conditions and you guys seem to think it is the skill of the skipper anyways so why spend so much money on a Whaler.
posted 10-14-2007 04:07 PM ET (US)
Is anyone familiar with the 2003 27 foot Cape horn CC? People keep talking about how the ride is wet on the older models. I was wondering if the 2003 27 foot boat is that way? I live overseas, where the boats are the worst built things I have ever seen, and was looking to purchase this boat and have it shipped. I have been out, a half dozen times, on a 2007 24 foot Cape and the boat handled wonderfully, including staying dry, till I went diving. I have looked every place for a report on this boat but found only reviews from pre-2001 and post 2005. I can't test drive it - and the only boat I have owned was a Parker (great boat) so I have no comparison. Any help would be most appreciated.
posted 10-15-2007 01:52 PM ET (US)
Cape Horns are made in Milton, Florida. (20 miles northeast of Pensacola)
They are very well made boats and are very popular in the southeast. I've fished a lot on a 17' center console and it's a great fishing boat. No luxury involved. It's a workboat.
I know they changed the styling of the 17' in about 2001 (or so). The newer model was dryer than the older model. Not sure about other models.
posted 10-19-2007 12:46 PM ET (US)
I recently bought a 2001 21' Cape Horn...I would put it up against any boat its size...It is dry so far..Cape Horn is no Parker but it is a well built boat.. The 2003 27' Cape Horn would be a great buy.. This is considered a newer model(DRY)..You will be very impressed..
posted 10-19-2007 12:56 PM ET (US)
My friend has a 2000 or so 21 and that was the wettest boat I ever been in besides a Carolina Skiff.
posted 11-16-2007 03:29 PM ET (US)
The model changed in 2001.. 2000 models are considered wet...
posted 11-25-2007 03:25 PM ET (US)
For the record, Cape Horn Offshore boats have come a long way, starting in 2005 with their new hull design on the 24 to 31-foot Cape Horn boats. They are one tough, superbly built, unsinkable offshore fishing boat. Presently being used every day by federal, state, and local marine departments as patrol boats up and down the coasts of the U.S. Now the 17 to 21-foot boat still has the old hull design, and I’m not so impressed with them. The 2008 36-foot model is a beast. email@example.com
posted 11-27-2007 03:48 PM ET (US)
I know wrong forum to post this but since I didn't start the discussion here is a link to the latest.
I think they have come into thier own but my heart is with my whaler.
posted 03-01-2008 07:14 PM ET (US)
Im the Proud owner of an 2006 Cape Horn 24 Offshore.
My old boat was a 1977 23' 360 hp Mako true inboard. I have been in a 31 Contender,a Mako 261,a 26 Contender, a 25 Proline, and a Hydra Sport. I was at the Fort Lauderdale Boat show last year, and looked at many boats. I chose the 24 Cape Horn. This Boat is as good if not better than many of the boats I looked at. It has a coated finish thruogh out the inside, from the anchor locker to the bildge. Salt and fresh water wash down, Tackel center, 40 gal round baitwell, 180 gal fuel, t-top, 2 bow rod holders, cooler under front seat, the list goes on. As far as the ride it is one smoothest riding dryest boats on the water, with twin 150 yamaha 4 strokes. She can run to.After looking for a few months I feel I got the best boat on the water for the money. I also looked at the 26 It's just two feet bigger and one more live well, The 31 is also impresive, but outside my budget. If I get the chance to upgrade It will be another Cape Horn. I will run mine against any boat in her class.
|BAB N O||
posted 05-11-2008 04:30 AM ET (US)
I to am a very pleased owner of a 1998 24ft Cape Horn with twin optimax 200's.This model is also a very dry ride.If I'm not mistaken I beleive this year model 24ftrs design was apparently the newer dryer design also.Where I'm from my travel distance to deep blue water is 15miles of choppy bay plus another 40 to 50miles offshore.Only time we get wet is in a strong cross wind with rough seas.I'd like to see a boat of this class to somewhat larger that you don't get wet in! And as for construction,I would put this hull up against any other out there(Super Solid,No Rattles,No Loud Pounding Noises,Quality For A Nice Low Price).Takes a head on rough sea well and runs with a rough sea just as well,but a cross sea is a bit rocky.But then again show me a deep-v hull in this class that doesn't have a rocky ride in a rough cross sea!.You'd have to purchase a cat to get the ride in this case!I've owned & refurbished plenty boats in my time,and been around boats all my life.This is definatly an easy to clean fishing machine!Eye catching lines too! After all, presentation does play an important role whether it be fishing or cruising!!!Also,I've had excellent results anytime I've called for replacement parts from Cape Horn.From new upholstery to hinges or even color change of stickers,FAST,GREAT SERVICE!This is a plus too.
posted 05-12-2008 12:03 AM ET (US)
I own a 1998 capehorn 21. If you want a boat that is built to use - then this is the boat. We have taken this boat on the 9 hour trip from Miami to Dry Tortugas. Gassed up in key west. Fished the Tortugas and drove home after camping there for three days.
We take it on three day camping trips and day long dolphin fising trips. This boat performs. The hull is as thick as your finger.
This is a well built, well designed boat for all kinds of conditions.
posted 05-13-2008 08:46 AM ET (US)
interesting...the last three posts (first posts by all the OP's) sound like the Cape Horn PR folks found this years old thread and decided to do damage control... since this thread comes up 5th in a google search for Cape Horn Boats.
posted 08-19-2008 05:33 PM ET (US)
I looked at the 2008 Cape Horn 31 and 36. We took out the 31 through the Great Egg Inlet up to Atlantic City. This is a solid boat. Twin Yamaha V8's did about 60mph. Moving in 3-4 footers at 30 mph she was smooth and bone dry. Not a true Carolina Flare but pretty close. According to the rep Cape Horn is a limited production boat that has numerous government contracts: NJ State Police, DEA & FBI. They build them within strict govmnt compliance tolerances. I checked with a freind in the NJ Troopers Marine patrol and the story checked out. They keep the boats focused on fishing with very little frills. They can do some customization with regards to seating etc. This 31 felt like some 35 footers that I have been in. I was impressed. The price seemed competitive in this class.
posted 08-21-2008 12:30 PM ET (US)
I have a 16ft Cape Horn and it is really a solid boat. It's also an older 94 model with a newer motor on it. I'd say it isn't a wet ride at all for that size boat. It takes 3-4 with no problem at all. You get a little wet but hey it's still a 16ft boat. Everything about the boat is strong though and you feel comfortable moving all around it.
Someone actually wrote give me a bayliner over a Cape Horn. You've got to be kidding me. This thing is for fishing, not sitting in the front yard of your mobile home.
posted 04-23-2009 09:48 PM ET (US)
I own a 14 ft. Mckee that is built like the whaler, it was built in 1978. It is an awesom boat still. I own a Cape Horn 17, built in 1998 and and it is the best and toughest boat I have. You get what you pay for! I registered just toset the story straight. It's easy to talk about the things we don't know about. I fish off-shore out of Charleston SC,and on a calm day, the swells are 3 feet. If the price is right buy it. PS I have a 90 four stroke Yamaha.
posted 07-01-2009 10:44 PM ET (US)
Cape Horn boats. As a very satisified user here in the Gulf Coast area, I must take exception to some of the comments about the quality of the boat. The plant is located in the industrial park in Milton, Florida. I have been there many times, including watching my 17 foot hull being made in 1996.
I have a Yamaha 115 pushing the unit and with four people, full fuel and all fishing gear/either bay or off-shore, on a moderately calm day, I will run @35-40 en-route to the fishing locations. Off-shore, I have been in 8ft seas and never had ocasion to wonder if the boat will make it. The deeper waters around Appilachicola, Mobile and inbetween can get quite rough very quickly. The 17ft Cape Horn is very easy to handle, as is the 19 ft model.
One of the reasons you do not see the boat advertized is that Fabro Marine does not mass produce the boats in order to maintain a very high quality boat.
Mention was made of the finsh on the deck, and for a fishing boat, that slightly rough texture is appreciated, vs very smooth deck and the resulting slipping and sliding on fish blood and the like.
The boat does not flex as someone mentioned. It is a very strong boat, and has top quality throughout.
Warranty and service are exceptional.
As with anything else, everyone has their own tastes;
Cessna vs Piper, low wing/high wing.
|Gulf of Mexico||
posted 07-17-2009 04:54 PM ET (US)
I have 17' Cape Horn, 1998. I'm very satisfied with it. I have gotten wet, but under the prevailing conditions, I would be a fool not to expect it in a 17' boat.
Very, very durable boat. Overbuilt in fact. But that's fine with me. It only makes me more confident.
posted 11-07-2009 06:42 PM ET (US)
I have owned 24'Bayliner, 21'SeaRay, 27'ProLine, 17'Cape Horn as well as several other boats over the last fifty years.
My present boat is 2004 Cape Horn 17 with Yam 4 stroke and on good days I been out 20+ miles from shore. I sold my ProLine because it was too much for one person and bought this cape horn and I have been very happy (use only 20% of the fuel). I did have to make some minor changes to the boat so it would accommodate a 135 pound oxygen tank that I use. I would have never consider putting the tank on the bayliner due to it weakness.
I wonder if the person who was comparing bayliner to cape horn has ever been out to sea with it on a good day? I can't imagine being out 5 to 10 miles and getting caught in a gulf heavy rain storm with a bayliner less than 27' or a searay less than 21'.
posted 08-09-2010 02:49 PM ET (US)
Maybe you should own a Capehorn intead of LOOKING at one and making a judgement. I am on my 3rd Capehorn, started with a 16 foot, then to a 19 ft. and now own a 21 ft. There is no camparison to a Bayliner. The Capehorn is made in NW Florida, has the sides and beam in it's class and is self bailing and as "Unsinkable" as you can make one. A very safe and sturdy hull for anykind of water. I fish the Gulf of Mexico and go 25 and 30 miles out and the boat handles ruff water as well as any boat I've owned, and at 61 living in Florida all my life, I've owned a few!
posted 08-09-2010 04:30 PM ET (US)
This is a Bostom Whaler site. Nobody here cares about a an old thread about Cape Horn boats. Why bother posting here?
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