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Water coming over transom
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posted 04-25-2002 01:33 AM ET (US)
When comparing two Boston Whalers an 1989 17' Newtauk with 60 Hp Evinrude(similar to Montauk layout except with 17' Newport hull) and a newly purchased 1987 22' Revenge walk through with 225 Hp Evinrude with no outdrive I was surprized how much water is able to splash over the transom on the Revenge 22'.
When looking at the rear of the Revenge it seems to be cut out low at the transom and the cut is wide to fit 2 engines. In similar wave conditions my Newtauk would hardly take on water as compared to my newly acquired Revenge 22. I have owned my Newtauk for 12 years.
I have a bildge pump wired to pump out the water as it accumulates but compared to the 17 footer it seems like alot. The motor well also filled up with water and my father and I considered it a calm day. One foot waves with some boat traffic. Any Revenge 22' or Outrage (I think they are similar hulls) owners out there can comment on water splashing over the transom? This could be an issue if fishing offshore in choppy conditions.
My Revenge has a hardtop and the extra 129 gallon fuel tank. The fuel tank was filled to half. Also have dual batteries mounted on opposite ends at the back. I might try to put some type of splash guards up to the motor on both sides. Anybody tried to do this?
Any helpful comments are appreciated.
posted 04-25-2002 02:44 AM ET (US)
Boston Whaler CPD makes a splashwell for the 22' hull that bolts on. I know neither how much it costs nor its availability. However, I thing it's available in the gelcoat color you have, if you provide them with your serial number and hull model. I hope that this helps.
posted 04-25-2002 10:05 AM ET (US)
Easy in, easy out, may have been the thinking, in addition to strength. I do not plug the splashwell and the reserve floatation never lets it overflow at rest.
My feet sure do get wet(in stern not pilotting) backing into a spitty following sea and my baitwell fills up if I leave the plugs in. You don't have the baitwell but the extra gas adds weight towards the stern. My twins weigh plenty and if you stand in the corner the toweye touches the water! The 22 Outrage seems to me to be an anomoly in the '80's Outrage line. It does not possess, as far as my shopping around could tell, the full across splashell, see LHG's 18 in the Bracket reference section. It appears later(relative to production date/plant movement I guess) as with Kingfish's 22. I even saw a pure white 22 claimed to be an '89 with CMI pieced together railings, glass gunwales, full across splashwell, fiberglass guttered hatched baitwell, 86> console and two sumps(like 25).
There are apparently BW plans for a build it yourself splashell attachment for the 22 out there somewhere, but I have not run into them yet. NJWhalerman did you find them? :)
PM-Is the CPD version the large full across wall that would sit where the sternseat sits, with the batteries aft of it?
posted 04-25-2002 11:37 AM ET (US)
Backing hard into a 1-2'sea is not a good idea without splash boards! The boat was the Kelsey J (Cetacea 44).
I found out the hard way. Two years ago, while fishing for king slamon with my German Shepherd, I was trolling about 100 yards off a lee shore with the wind blowing about 10-15 mph and about a 1-2' sea running. The shore was rock. Other people had been picking up fish in this area, so I went in also. Well I hooked one and fought it for a bit, but as I was fighting it, the wind was pushing me towards the rocks. I got the fish alongside and I was about 50 yards off the rocks (still plenty deep). It was a beauty, maybe a 30 pounder or more (sure it was that big, fisherman never exaggerate). I was getting ready to net it, holding the pole high with my left arm and netting with the right. Just as I was about to net it, it took off upwind. Being close to the rocks, getting blown down, the fish is going upwind, the drag is singing, only one way to get it, back down after it! I couldn't get to the bow due to the bimini and I couldn't drive from there anyway. So I fired up the main and started backing hard. The first three waves washed right over the transom and into the boat and down in to the cabin. My two Igloo 72 coolers (used as a bench seat aft) started floating, both bilge pumps (sump & baitwell) started blowing water out both sides, and I continued backing after the fish, which was still stripping line off the reel. More water aboard, about a foot in the cabin, my dog was all the way forward, standing on the v-berth cushions. I was standing in 6" of water. Still backing, more water, and then the line went slack. I had a few choice words. I reeled in the line and one of my hooks was bent and twisted. So I left the trolling line (got out of other boat's way), bailed out the cabin, put the coolers back, found my knife, bait, and other assorted things had floated about. Re-rigged and hit the line again. And got nothing. But it was sunny and warm that day.
Before I started backing down, I suspected that I would take some water over the transom, and wasn't that worried about it. I didn't expect to lose the fish though.
Lesson learned? Teach your dog how to use a net or drive the boat.
posted 04-25-2002 12:39 PM ET (US)
Paul and Chap, thanks for the info about a bolt on kit made by Boston Whaler. If its not too expensive this may be the way to go.
Jim P. great story thanks for sharing it, to bad you lost the fish. I looked at your pictures and you have a very nice boat. It is good to see other peoples boats to get good configuration ideas. I am also thinking of mounting a kick motor off the back too.
I just found this site recently and am enjoying it. Maybe I can post pictures of my Newtauk and Revenge boats.
posted 04-25-2002 08:38 PM ET (US)
We have the full CPD splashwell in our boat and it is a great option. It is made out of 1/8" aluminum and is screwed to the hull sides and the top of the inner splashwell lip. There are 2 large aluminum scuppers plates with elastic cords to keep them closed. We took a large wave over the bow and had about a foot of water above the deck. The boat drained automatically as the scuppers opened up and we never let off of the throttles. I would highly recommend the splashwell. Under normal conditions your deck and feet will stay dry.
posted 04-26-2002 12:40 AM ET (US)
Jim, thanks also for the info. It seems that the option you have was obtained from Boston Whaler. Is the aluminum painted to match the hull color?
I need to make a call to my local Boston Whaler dealer and see if they can give me a price on this.
I guess another option is to build something myself without it looking too tacky if you know what I mean.
posted 04-26-2002 01:52 PM ET (US)
I had the problem when I purchased my 22 revenge w/t120's. The boat would drift transom first and take on water constantly from chop and wakes. We visited whaler in FL. and no one had an answer till we came across an "old timer" who knew of the problem and that there was a splashboard that was made to reduce the water into the boat. It is no longer made, but he did give me the plans, which I have. Easily made w/starboard or like material. The boat is rated for 240hp, the problem is the weight of the t120's is about 800 lbs. The correction was a 175 Oceanrunner, no more water problems. If you are interested, I can mail the plans.
posted 04-26-2002 08:45 PM ET (US)
Our boat is on page 35 in Cetacea. There are a couple of photos showing the splashwell. I am working on another Raider now and have another splashwell. I could make a paper tracer and mail it to you. A good sheet metal shop could form a splashwell plate out of aluminum. We painted ours with Awlgrip.
posted 04-29-2002 12:26 AM ET (US)
Dan and Jim thanks for the replies. I guess it is not unusual for these boats to get some water in over the transom if you do not have some type of splash guard, especially if you have alot of weight in the transom.
I am interested in looking at your plans Dan on making the splash quards. Making it out of starboard type material is a good idea since it seems that I can do it myself. Do you have an electronic copy of the plans? If not I can get them from you and copy and then mail them back.
Jim thanks for the replies. I looked at the pictures and they showed some pretty impressive work.
Now I have to convince the wife to agree to spend some money for this project!
posted 04-30-2002 11:37 AM ET (US)
Installed a starboard splash panel across the back of my 22 outrage. A 2" oak strip across the top for strength and a 1 inch square piece of starboard across floor for the bottom slot to mount in. Stainless door latchs to each side with two positions for trailering when the motor is up and normal running. This allows removal to lay flat on floor bringing in large fish. aprox $150 and labor. Not a drop in boat and no loss of space.
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