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Fishcop posted 05-01-2002 07:32 PM ET (US)   Profile for Fishcop   Send Email to Fishcop  
Ok...I am looking to buy a repowered 1987 25 outrage cuddy. It has a new armstrong bracket and a 225 Merc optimax. The transom has been built up from a splash well and all new cables and guages. What should I look for in the way of construction standards on the bracket and transom? Is the 225 going to be enough HP? I have run several 22 outrages with 200 HP and found them to be sluggish. Any experience with the 25 cuddy?
David Ratusnik posted 05-01-2002 07:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
Fish- The 25 OR cuddy is a neat fishing/cruising boat. I own a 22'OR '86 with a healthy 225 Johnson. I agree with your instincts, a 25' w cuddy w only 225 hp will be sluggish. It's a perfect boat for twin 150's or more, especially with the extra weight of the cuddy. The Armstrong bracket is a good one (construction standards ???). It sounds like you have a problem-- correct hull but underpowered. Do you want to take on the owner's problem?? .03 David
peteinsf posted 05-01-2002 08:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for peteinsf    
I would think it's underpowered. You could do what I did, buy it at a lower price because of the single motor and look for a matching motor mate. A dual 225 would be sweet! Is the Armstrong bracket the wide (twin) one like Larry's?
Fishcop posted 05-01-2002 11:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Fishcop  Send Email to Fishcop     
Thanks for the input. The owner claims that the boat will cruise at 30 mph and tops out at around 40 mph. The bracket is wide enough to carry twins, but $13K for another motor seems steep. The asking price is $25K.
Am I doomed to "slug world" if I leave it as is?
jimh posted 05-01-2002 11:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
If I have correctly understood your description, this boat was originally delivered by Whaler with a standard outboard cut-transom that was later fitted with an Armstrong bracket and the stern built-up to be a full height transom. I would be very interested in seeing and having a picture of this boat for use in the REFERENCE section article on engine brackets.

--jimh

Fishcop posted 05-02-2002 02:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for Fishcop  Send Email to Fishcop     
I will try to get you a photo of the boat and transom. Any idea on the performance of the new optimax? I see that there is a formula for estimating the speed based on the motor (HP) and boat.
peteinsf posted 05-02-2002 02:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for peteinsf    
I think a 225 would be OK depending on where you want to operate. You may have performance problems in bigger swells. That is where I had had problems with underpowered rigs dropping off of a plane when you need to "power over" the hump or trough. Are you planning to head for the Farallones or keeping her inland?

I also think you could do better then 13K. Is it a 2002 motor? The are some east coast merc dealers that have one and two year opti's for under 9K. Hell get a test ride to Point Arena and see how she does, lgh thinks a 225 is more like a 250! You can always buy the motor in one or two years…

Pete

Fishcop posted 05-02-2002 02:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Fishcop  Send Email to Fishcop     
Hey Pete,
Looks like you are in the Bay Area. I am looking to chase albacore with this boat. I have had 22 footers that I could run to the islands in 40 minutes. I am looking to go to the canyons and this 25 footer seems like the boat. I am just concerned that the 225 might not be enough power to move 4500 pounds. I have no experience with the Merc optimax engines. Twin 225's would be the ticket, but as I stated earlier, $13K on top of the purchase price is a little steep.
lhg posted 05-02-2002 03:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
A few things to check out. A twin engine Armstrong bracket would normally be manufactured with pre-drilled holes for twins. But I would be careful of the weight of bracketed twin 225 Opti's on an aftermarket built-up transom. Also, speed would be close to 70mph. Although the single 225 Opti should push the boat adequately, it never ceases to amaze me how some people set up Whalers, and this is one of those. The boat, particularly for offshore duty, should have twin 150's, it's full rating. For the cost of the single Opti, he could have bought a pair of 150 carbed engines, especially since he already bought a twin engine bracket. Dumb. You might want to look into trading the engine for twins.

Some 2001 Opti's had problems, corrected in the 2002's, so I would check the engine computer and warranty history before buying.

The 25 is a LOT more boat than a 22, including weight, so if your experience is in a 22, you'll love the 25.

Fishcop posted 05-05-2002 02:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Fishcop  Send Email to Fishcop     
Thanks to all. I have asked the seller the questions and waiting for a reply.
Fishcop.
RMBW posted 05-15-2002 01:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for RMBW  Send Email to RMBW     
It seems that a lot of Whaler fans that are interested in MaxHP and dual motors. I have ran my 25'Revenge WT with a tower,loaded with fishing gear and have had no problems with speed. I have a 220+ Yamaha as the primary power. My top speed is 36mph loaded for fishing. With out the tower and added fishing gear I had been at 42mph. While crusing I never run more than 26mph, which works best for me (fuel). Most of the time I have fished, the water conditions would allow flying wave to wave, swell to swell or what have you, if I pushed the speed. I have a 9.9 High Thrust trolling-back up that will push my boat into a 40 knot wind with no problem. My experience with twin motors is poor milage, double expense of upkeep and less time fishing because of trying to keep my motors tuned the same. I sold the twin motors and went to a single 175HP. That big twin power is fun, but costly in the long run. My first boat was a 17' Whaler in 1970, then a 19' Outrage, then a 25' Revenge WT, and a 1972 17' for smaller bodies of water. I had taken my 19' Whaler from Miami Beach to Bimini in the 70s on the First Whaler Rendezvous, just two boats, my 19' and Whalers 21' outrage. Seas were heavy and no other boats even went out to fish from Bimini. We only got airborn twice in the crossing, I still remember that. Thanks.Mike in Wisconsin.
Fishcop posted 05-15-2002 09:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Fishcop  Send Email to Fishcop     
Again, thanks to all! I got the boat and I am picking her up this week. I will keep you posted on her voyages.
Andy.

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