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jameso posted 05-06-2002 08:28 AM ET (US)
I want to update my 15 with a tilt and trim, as much for beaching as performance. I am looking at options, do I go with a stock OMC unit, maybe find a used one or do the CMC or commerical jackplate/tilt thing? As with any thing about boating $$ is no object. Just dont want to "gold plate a sewer pipe"
Jim Armstrong
JFM posted 05-06-2002 09:17 AM ET (US)
Jim, I have just installed a CMC adjustable jackplate on my 13' sport. It is very high quality, so I would expect their T/T unit to be the same.
With the CMC you would not have to have a remote unit bolted to the deck. Also if you want you could take the CMC unit off if you sell your boat.
Call CMC and see if they have a blemished unit. I did and saved about 30%. If there was a blemish on it I could not find it.
Regards, Jay
MikeG posted 05-06-2002 01:13 PM ET (US)
James,
I just had TnT installed on my Montauk w/ 88hp OMC V4. Yanking that thing from the water was getting hard on the back. I went with a rebuilt model from an outboard repair shop in Florida. I looked at CMC and their product seemed very nice (PT-130) but it was more expensive than the rebuild unit and I was concerned about getting parts down the road if needed. There are a million OMC units that can be torn down for parts if needed.
I believe the prices I was looking at were $900 for OMC new, $590 for CMC or $450 for a complete rebuilt kit. Since the engine is already 14 years old I didn't want to spend too much for "luxury" feature. Either way it was easy to install.
If you go with a rebuilt system make sure you get all the parts you need (wiring, power pack, etc.) Also, ensure it cycles completely. When the pistons are fully exposed, check the metal for pitting. It should be smooth with very little wear. Excessive pitting on the metal can lead to premature gasket wear and mess up your system.
I have been out on the water twice since mine was installed. Getting on and off the trailer is much easier and I have seen a significant change in top speed from 38mph to 42+ (it was still accelerating while trimming out but my eyes were watering too much from the wind!) I can't really tell if there is any impact at cruising speeds though (28-31 mph). The TnT itself is a little slower in moving the engine than I thought it would be but works at the same speed as similar units.
The place I got the rebuild unit from is in Florida. I can try to find the number again but I can't really recommend them because they delivered two weeks late, painted it a shade off on the color and were very difficult to get a hold of. But their part fit perfectly, it had brand new motors and wiring and included all fasteners. Their wiring appeared to be of good quality and was properly sealed.
If money is not an issue you should look into CMC or new OE. For me and my aging boat the rebuilt was perfect and seems to work really well.
Mike
PS. Check w/ CMC to ensure their part does not require a steering modification as I believe it serves as a 6" set back as well.
whalersman posted 05-06-2002 01:38 PM ET (US)
I just added Trim and Tilt to my friends Montauk with an Evinrude 70. Purchased a brand new OMC T&T unit off of eBay for $300.00, then the Junction Box and Wiring Harness on eBay for $75.00... It made an easy installation and works perfectly.
I did this to my Montauk with a 70 HP Evinrude back in 1989 when the price brand new for the entire kit was $60.00.
Check eBay. Just make sure you don't buy the nasty looking junk.
Joe
whalersman posted 05-06-2002 01:40 PM ET (US)
Sorry, I didn't put enough 00's in my original purchase price of the T&T.. It was $600.00 when I purchased the entire kit..
Joe
where2 posted 05-06-2002 06:24 PM ET (US)
Back in '98 when I finally decided that I needed the final "option" on my 15' Sport, I went with the OMC kit. When I bought it, I actually ordered two of them, since dad wanted one for his 70hp as well. Paid $600 per kit from an OMC dealer near Seatle. Local dealer list/OMC list was $750 at the time. Occasionally, you can run across an OMC dealer who will sell for less than list, but not many.
If you do order the OMC kit, I recommend getting the extra details to add the stock looking trim/tilt switch to the throttle lever, rather than using the dash mounted switch the kit provides. Other than the lack of a swtich on the side of the engine cowling, mine looks stock. I removed the relays from the box OMC provided, and mounted them under the engine cowling, rather than have them subjected to the spray the inside of the boat sees.
Despite what the kit instructions said, I did have to hold up the engine while I removed one-half of the transom bracket on the engine. The instructions said it should fit without unbolting the engine from the transom. Wish I had that author there to explain how to do that, he must park his Excursion in the Sub-Compact parking spaces in the parking lot!
whalersman posted 05-06-2002 08:24 PM ET (US)
Good point where2.
My friends Montauk above had the original Morse Binnacle mount so we changed it out with an OMC Binnacle with Trim & Tilt in the handle.
My Montauk already had the OMC Binnacle without the switch, so all I needed to do was add the switch along with a new handle and cover.
I much prefer to have the Trim & Tilt switch in the handle rather than somewhere else on the dash.
"Whatever floats your boat"
Joe
browning20ga posted 05-06-2002 08:47 PM ET (US)
Like Jay, I installed a CMC PT-135, I was very impressed with the unit, easy install, simple wireing. I replaced the cheezy switch with a nice 2 button switch I picked up on ebay for $20.00. T&T + switch cost me $379.00 and I can take it off the boat if I change boats or if I repower I don't have to pay for PT&T. Plus you have the advantage of a 5 or6" setback. The CMC just makes sence to me.
Darrell
MikeG posted 05-08-2002 01:25 PM ET (US)
Browning-
Where did you get that price on the CMC unit? When I called them the other week I spoke to John (or Jim) and he quoted me $590 w/ switch and $515 w/o. Can CMC's be purchased from other sources than the factory? They appear to only have two types of TnT that I am aware of: PT-130 for engines up to 130hp and the PT-35 for engines up to 35hp. I was inquiring for an OMC V4. I liked their set-up but I already had an OMC tilt switch on the throttle control and the stock part can be added without removing the engine off the back of the boat.
Mike
JFM posted 05-08-2002 02:28 PM ET (US)
Mike, Overton's along with other boat parts suppliers handle or can get CMC. When you call them direct and see if they have any "blemished models", I think they do this as a last resort to get a sale. I saved over 30% by takeing a blemished unit. As I stated above, I could not find anything wrong with it. Regards, Jay

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Author	Topic: Tilt and Trim questions
jameso	posted 05-06-2002 08:28 AM ET (US) I want to update my 15 with a tilt and trim, as much for beaching as performance. I am looking at options, do I go with a stock OMC unit, maybe find a used one or do the CMC or commerical jackplate/tilt thing? As with any thing about boating $$ is no object. Just dont want to "gold plate a sewer pipe" Jim Armstrong
JFM	posted 05-06-2002 09:17 AM ET (US) Jim, I have just installed a CMC adjustable jackplate on my 13' sport. It is very high quality, so I would expect their T/T unit to be the same. With the CMC you would not have to have a remote unit bolted to the deck. Also if you want you could take the CMC unit off if you sell your boat. Call CMC and see if they have a blemished unit. I did and saved about 30%. If there was a blemish on it I could not find it. Regards, Jay
MikeG	posted 05-06-2002 01:13 PM ET (US) James, I just had TnT installed on my Montauk w/ 88hp OMC V4. Yanking that thing from the water was getting hard on the back. I went with a rebuilt model from an outboard repair shop in Florida. I looked at CMC and their product seemed very nice (PT-130) but it was more expensive than the rebuild unit and I was concerned about getting parts down the road if needed. There are a million OMC units that can be torn down for parts if needed. I believe the prices I was looking at were $900 for OMC new, $590 for CMC or $450 for a complete rebuilt kit. Since the engine is already 14 years old I didn't want to spend too much for "luxury" feature. Either way it was easy to install. If you go with a rebuilt system make sure you get all the parts you need (wiring, power pack, etc.) Also, ensure it cycles completely. When the pistons are fully exposed, check the metal for pitting. It should be smooth with very little wear. Excessive pitting on the metal can lead to premature gasket wear and mess up your system. I have been out on the water twice since mine was installed. Getting on and off the trailer is much easier and I have seen a significant change in top speed from 38mph to 42+ (it was still accelerating while trimming out but my eyes were watering too much from the wind!) I can't really tell if there is any impact at cruising speeds though (28-31 mph). The TnT itself is a little slower in moving the engine than I thought it would be but works at the same speed as similar units. The place I got the rebuild unit from is in Florida. I can try to find the number again but I can't really recommend them because they delivered two weeks late, painted it a shade off on the color and were very difficult to get a hold of. But their part fit perfectly, it had brand new motors and wiring and included all fasteners. Their wiring appeared to be of good quality and was properly sealed. If money is not an issue you should look into CMC or new OE. For me and my aging boat the rebuilt was perfect and seems to work really well. Mike PS. Check w/ CMC to ensure their part does not require a steering modification as I believe it serves as a 6" set back as well.
whalersman	posted 05-06-2002 01:38 PM ET (US) I just added Trim and Tilt to my friends Montauk with an Evinrude 70. Purchased a brand new OMC T&T unit off of eBay for $300.00, then the Junction Box and Wiring Harness on eBay for $75.00... It made an easy installation and works perfectly. I did this to my Montauk with a 70 HP Evinrude back in 1989 when the price brand new for the entire kit was $60.00. Check eBay. Just make sure you don't buy the nasty looking junk. Joe
whalersman	posted 05-06-2002 01:40 PM ET (US) Sorry, I didn't put enough 00's in my original purchase price of the T&T.. It was $600.00 when I purchased the entire kit.. Joe
where2	posted 05-06-2002 06:24 PM ET (US) Back in '98 when I finally decided that I needed the final "option" on my 15' Sport, I went with the OMC kit. When I bought it, I actually ordered two of them, since dad wanted one for his 70hp as well. Paid $600 per kit from an OMC dealer near Seatle. Local dealer list/OMC list was $750 at the time. Occasionally, you can run across an OMC dealer who will sell for less than list, but not many. If you do order the OMC kit, I recommend getting the extra details to add the stock looking trim/tilt switch to the throttle lever, rather than using the dash mounted switch the kit provides. Other than the lack of a swtich on the side of the engine cowling, mine looks stock. I removed the relays from the box OMC provided, and mounted them under the engine cowling, rather than have them subjected to the spray the inside of the boat sees. Despite what the kit instructions said, I did have to hold up the engine while I removed one-half of the transom bracket on the engine. The instructions said it should fit without unbolting the engine from the transom. Wish I had that author there to explain how to do that, he must park his Excursion in the Sub-Compact parking spaces in the parking lot!
whalersman	posted 05-06-2002 08:24 PM ET (US) Good point where2. My friends Montauk above had the original Morse Binnacle mount so we changed it out with an OMC Binnacle with Trim & Tilt in the handle. My Montauk already had the OMC Binnacle without the switch, so all I needed to do was add the switch along with a new handle and cover. I much prefer to have the Trim & Tilt switch in the handle rather than somewhere else on the dash. "Whatever floats your boat" Joe
browning20ga	posted 05-06-2002 08:47 PM ET (US) Like Jay, I installed a CMC PT-135, I was very impressed with the unit, easy install, simple wireing. I replaced the cheezy switch with a nice 2 button switch I picked up on ebay for $20.00. T&T + switch cost me $379.00 and I can take it off the boat if I change boats or if I repower I don't have to pay for PT&T. Plus you have the advantage of a 5 or6" setback. The CMC just makes sence to me. Darrell
MikeG	posted 05-08-2002 01:25 PM ET (US) Browning- Where did you get that price on the CMC unit? When I called them the other week I spoke to John (or Jim) and he quoted me $590 w/ switch and $515 w/o. Can CMC's be purchased from other sources than the factory? They appear to only have two types of TnT that I am aware of: PT-130 for engines up to 130hp and the PT-35 for engines up to 35hp. I was inquiring for an OMC V4. I liked their set-up but I already had an OMC tilt switch on the throttle control and the stock part can be added without removing the engine off the back of the boat. Mike
JFM	posted 05-08-2002 02:28 PM ET (US) Mike, Overton's along with other boat parts suppliers handle or can get CMC. When you call them direct and see if they have any "blemished models", I think they do this as a last resort to get a sale. I saved over 30% by takeing a blemished unit. As I stated above, I could not find anything wrong with it. Regards, Jay