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anniegalloway posted 05-13-2002 08:54 AM ET (US)   Profile for anniegalloway   Send Email to anniegalloway  
We are going to buy a BW...the question is which one. We are considering 130 Sport, Dauntless 16 (dealer has one...assuming it is a 2001), Dauntless 160, or the new Montauk 170.

We are located on the Northern Neck of Virginia and will be using the boat to fish and crab for skiing, etc. Plan to stay in the local rivers, maybe cross the Potomac to So. Md. I'm not sure about venturing into the Chesapeake??? I'm pretty new to boats but my husband has more experience (20 years in the Navy...sorta a different class of ships <g>).

At first we thought the Sport was the thing...then we saw the Dauntless and I fell in love with the comforts. My husband likes the Montauk. The local dealer has a Dauntless 16 with a 90 Merc on it. We are thinking about it but with a Nissan 50 or 60 as we are not needing speed.

What's the good, bad and ugly about these 3 choices? What's the best engine size for what we will be doing?

Jimh had posted a wonderful reference page for the there such a page for the Dauntless and Sport? Anyone know the M.S.R.P. for the Dauntless and Sport?

Thank you for putting up with a lot of questions from a newbie. We are anxious to join the ranks of BW owners!!


Dr T posted 05-13-2002 09:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dr T  Send Email to Dr T     
Welcome aboard. This post will probably receive a lot of comment, there are pros and cons of all of these.

In the meantime, you may want to explore some other parts of the forum. Much of the information you desire has been discussed in detail. In order to search, open up the forum to search over the last two years, hit ctrl-f on your keyboard, and type in a keyword.

The Post-Classics part of the forum is devoted to the later models of the whalers.

Good luck.

Oh, and my best advice is to simply find something that you both can agree on. I have an '82 13 Sport and it fits my needs well. However, it is not the most comfortable boat on the water. It is exceptionally stable, but in chop, it will shake loose your fillings.


B Bear posted 05-13-2002 11:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for B Bear  Send Email to B Bear     

First of all let me tell you I have a Dauntless 16 and I really enjoy it, but for you if you want to use a Nissan 50 or 60 it will not work. This hull needs at a minimum a 90 HP engine.

The 130 Sport is nice yet kind of small and limited in space, but is the most economical of your choices.

Using the engine HP you are considering I would feel that the new Montauk 170 would be your best choice. It is longer than the Dauntless uses the Dauntless console and adjustable back pilots seat. What the Dauntless 16 has that the Montauk 170 does not is a 45 gal underdeck fuel tank and some more storage and higher freeboard. Yet with the smaller HP engine and a 26 gal under seat tank for the Montauk and considering the waters you will be using it in it should give you plenty of range. And from what I understand it has a nice ride. I do not think you will be able to get a Nissan with it, but a Mercury in the HP range you are looking at. Another thing I would advise you on is to get the highest rated HP engine for the boat, you won't be sorry, someday you just might need it.

Also see what I posted about the warranties on the new whalers in this forum, it might be a consideration for you.

I say (lol)let your husband get the Montauk, and to make sure you made the right choice take a test ride in all three before the finial decission.

As for the Chesapeake, the Dauntless and the Montauk will be fine there just pick your days.

andygere posted 05-13-2002 11:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
The Dauntless is a nice boat, my dad has one with a Merc 90. I would not want anything less than 90 hp on this boat because it is a heavy boat and will take a long time to get up on a plane. The bow tends to block visibility when you are just getting on plane, so you definitely want to get there quickly, even if you never drive the boat over 20 mph after that. I own an older Montauk with an 85 hp and it gets on plane much faster and will hold it at a lower speed. The Dauntless 16 (or 160, same boat) does have a lot more in the way of seating, and it's easier to get to the bow with its wider beam. The Montauk may be a better choice for crabbing with its shallow draft and low freeboard. Your best bet is to get the dealer to let you demo the different boats in the conditions you would be using it in.
JFM posted 05-13-2002 11:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Annie, welcome aboard! It looks like your looking new. The best deal out there is the new Montauk. It's a lotta Whaler for the money. The package includes a 90 HP 2 stroke, but you may want to look at the 90 4 stroke (still a good deal). The boat should perform fine for what you describe. Regards, Jay
Bigshot posted 05-13-2002 03:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
60hp on a dauntless or new montauk?

I will have to say......nope. You might not need the speed but getting on plane you will need the hp and resale will suffer. The 170 montauk would probably be your best and cheapest bet but get a 90hp. I have a 70 on an older Montauk and it is plenty but also weighs 500lbs less. A 60 would not do.

whaleryo posted 05-13-2002 03:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for whaleryo  Send Email to whaleryo     

Here in the Northeast, the Montauk w/90 2-stroke is going for $18-19 thousand if you can get one. The Dauntless 160 w/90 2-stroke is going for $22-23 thousand.

lhg posted 05-13-2002 03:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Get the new Montauk, with a 2-stroke 90. It is priced very low on it's introductory run, and is the newest design, and looks most like a Classic Boston Whaler. The Sport 13 is too small of a boat, and you will end up selling it in year or two. The Dauntless is a four year old design, and could be in the works for discontinuance (in spite of what a Dealer will tell you), because it is so close to the new Montauk in size. And, as mentioned, it costs more.
tabasco posted 05-13-2002 04:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
Some times Husbands are right............This is a no brainer......get the new Montauk. Don't order the sun top from the factory as it blocks the rear seats when not in use. Order (if you want one) it from Mills Canvass it's also cheaper and f;olds toward the bow.

You won't be sorry if you order the new Montauk. You will need at least a 90HP motor.

kamml posted 05-13-2002 05:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamml  Send Email to kamml     
Great taste in boats! BTW, can you ever be too thin, too wealthy or too healthy? The same sort of concept applies to boat HP. I am like you, no speed demon, but having been caught by a sudden squall with only a 50hp, and buying a new motor this year myself I now have the comfort of more horse power. This has translated into more enjoyment from my Whaler. Again, I compliment you and your husband in having great taste in boats regardless of the model and welcome aboard (pun intended). Ken
Bob K posted 05-14-2002 09:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bob K  Send Email to Bob K     

Bob K posted 05-14-2002 09:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bob K  Send Email to Bob K     
Darn, I hit the wrong button again. Welcome to this great site.
I bought a used 13' to run around the lower Chesapeake and quickly found out that it is a great LITTLE boat, but not user comfy in our chop. If you want to try a 13' send me an email and I will try to accomodate. Otherwise go for the new Montauk.
Good luck.
anniegalloway posted 05-14-2002 05:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for anniegalloway  Send Email to anniegalloway     
Thanks, guys for all your help...both on which boat and motor and in using the forum!!

No Montauks available locally...sigh. Will have to order it and it should be in early July.

Sooooooooo....we will be the proud owners of a 2003 Montauk 170 with the 90 hp Merc.

Really happy the decision is made...really sorry that we gotta wait till July!


browning20ga posted 05-14-2002 06:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for browning20ga  Send Email to browning20ga     
Great choice and it will be worth the wait, you will have plenty of time to hit all the boat shops and decide how you want to rig it. I have a 1974 13'er and have it all fixed up to fit my needs, But I'd trade it off in a New York minute if a Montauk came along that I could afford. Have fun, you have a busy couple of months comming up waiting for your delivery.
David Ratusnik posted 05-14-2002 06:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
Annie- the Montauk with the 2 stroke 90 is the best deal on the planet right now. Problem, may have to order one. Hotcakes right now. Grab one if you can find one available. Price will go up. .03 David
David Ratusnik posted 05-14-2002 06:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
Annie- the Montauk with the 2 stroke 90 is the best deal on the planet right now. Problem, may have to order one. Hotcakes right now. Grab one if you can find one available. Price will go up. .03 David
Whalerfool posted 05-14-2002 11:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerfool  Send Email to Whalerfool     
A few last word on your pending decision. I live on Cobb Island, Maryland where the Wicomico and Potomac rivers meet. I have a 14 foot Whaler Rage (not a popular model among those Whaler advocates who insist that a true boat has to have a propeller or a sail) which totally satisfies my needs on this side of the river. I am a calm weather sailor and I have plenty of Maryland shoreline that I have access to for fishing and crabbing so I really don't see a need to cross the Potomac unless it is a very calm day. I observe the local boat yards renting 17 foot Carolina skiffs powered by 10 to 15 HP outboards for weekend fishing (sometimes 5 persons in a boat)at $63 a day. They usually stay on this side of the Potomac unless it is a really calm day and then they might venture out into the Potomac. The water depth on our side varies considerably since it is tidal water. My dock ranges in depth from about a foot to four and one half feet. I have observed the Potomac to have exceptionally heavy waves on windy days both during the winter as well as summer. Spring and summer storms have tended to be rule rather than the exception (the recent tornado in La Plata is an example.) Floating debris (small logs, tree branches, etc.) is normal. So the bottom line is, get a Whaler that you believe you will be comfortable with. Keep your eyes on weather reports. Get your self a tide clock. Get your self local navigation charts for depth and tide information. Talk to the locals about the fishing, crabbing and weather and listen to what they have to say. Go slow and gain experience. I hope one day we have the opportunity to meet.
Joe P

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