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JasonA posted 05-26-2002 09:33 AM ET (US)
What would be the advantage of selling my 15' SS and buying a Montauk 17. Aside motor, is it that much more boat?
Thanks-
Jason
Ferdinando posted 05-26-2002 10:58 AM ET (US)
Jason:
Thats exactly what I did back in 1998. I sold my 1985 15' SS which I purchased new
and was in MINT condition. It cost me $9,600
dollars and I sold it for $10,000......
The only reason I sold it was that I was tired of driving the thing sitting down.
I added $10,000 and bought a new 98 Montauk
$8500 for the boat and $1500 for all the extras.......
Was it worth it....you bet it was, although it was less then 2' the change was worth it in my book, more space and comfort and I can go a little further out.......... I will probably keep this one for another 10 yrs
sell it for more then I paid for and go for an Outrage to keep me company in my golden years..............
Good luck......... Fred
bc posted 05-26-2002 01:07 PM ET (US)
I've heard this conversation here a lot the last couple months (15 to 17); I own a 15' striper and love it for fishing (finally got it rigged like I wanted) If the boat is primarly used in sheltered water and you don't need the extra room, why spend the extra $$$$$? Just a thought, but if money is no object, you fish open water, and need the room then go for it.
15to17 posted 05-26-2002 09:53 PM ET (US)
The 15' is just about the perfect boat for one or two people. Had my 89 Striper for 7 years. The number of "crew" I needed to accommodate grew by two in those seven years, so I did the only reasonable thing--I moved up to a Montauk. The basics--more room, standup piloting, greater freeboard. If I had my druthers, I would have kept the Striper for my solo forays and the Montauk for when the family wanted to come along. You simply cannot go wrong with either hull, in my considered opinion. Good luck!
outrage22 posted 05-27-2002 12:07 AM ET (US)
the advantage of the montauk is obviously room and stability but i would take the 15 over the 17 because it actually handles the chop better. you will get pounded more in the montauk, probably due to the bigger twin sponsons. the 15 rides like a dream if you have it trimmed right. i always kept the motor all the way down (bow down) and it would take most of the chop on the sharper front portion of the keel. probably less fuel efficient but i hate getting pounded! i know i sound crazy but i have owned both boats.
Stuart posted 05-27-2002 08:36 AM ET (US)
I would have to side with Outrage22, the ride in the 15 will be considerably more comfortable than the Montauk. The Deeper V centre sponson really cuts through the chop, and provides a softer landing in larger swells. I spent a summer driving both boats at camp in NC, and really rememeber the difference.
On the other hand, there is something to be said for standing behind a console, ripping across the water. It really comes down to preference.
Drop by your local (reputable) Whaler dealer and on a choppy, rough day and drive a Montauk.
Either way you can't go wrong!
Stuart
Highwater posted 05-27-2002 10:53 PM ET (US)
How much weight can a 15' with a 70 hp carry and still get on a plane? How much weight can the Montauk with a 90 hp carry and still get on a plane?
My 13' with a 40 hp can carry 800 pounds of fuel, gear and crew and still get on a plane. Since the 13' is Coast Guard rated for six people and the the 15' is Coast Guard rated for five people, I would guess that the 15' might not be able to handle as much weight as the 13'. Is that true?
WantaWhale posted 05-28-2002 12:29 AM ET (US)
At some point I would like to get a larger whaler (while keeping my SS11) and looking at something around 15-18'. Will the 15 handle 4 people or is it way to cramped? In the other direction, can 1 person launch and handle the 17 with no problems? I suspect I will be solo about 70% of the time and need a boat I can do everything solo.
outrage22 - My dad says the same thing as you that the 15 is a better riding boat...maybe you are on to something as I have noticed that my SS11 has a better ride than a McKeeCraft 14. The 14 has more of a triHull shape than my 11, but also more stable when standing still so I guess it's a trade off.
bc posted 05-28-2002 09:49 PM ET (US)
I was thinking my 15' is rated for 7 people at an average of 150 per person. Seven folks would be TIGHT, four ok for cruising/ two for fishing.
Highwater posted 05-28-2002 09:57 PM ET (US)
I thought that the 13s were rated for 6 people, the 15s were rated for 5 people, and the Montauks were rated for 7 people.
djahncke posted 05-28-2002 10:02 PM ET (US)
My 15'Sport made in 1978 is rated, according to the sticker, for 7 people and 70hp. New 15' sports carry a sticker rating of 5 people. My 17' Dauntless made in 1995 while a bigger boat is also rated for 7 people and 135hp. I think they changed the rating system sometime after my 15' sport was made.
Tom W Clark posted 05-28-2002 10:12 PM ET (US)
The 15' originally had a maximum persons capacity of 7 but in 1981 that was changed to 5. The 13' has always been 6 persons and the 17' has always been 7 persons.
Incidentally, the 15's swamped capacity was 1650 lbs. from 1976 to 1984 but was upped in 1985 to 1800 lbs. No apparent reason for this increase and it does not correlate with the change in persons capacity.
george nagy posted 05-28-2002 10:18 PM ET (US)
I was going to go to a montauk from my old 15' and decided the jump wasn't worth it so I went further to an 18'. I love the 18' but there will always be a soft spot for the 15'.
TightPenny posted 05-29-2002 10:13 AM ET (US)
I moved from my 1977 Sport 15 to my 2000 Montauk. What a difference, as it is so much more boat than the 15.
JasonA - go for it

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Author	Topic: 15'SS to Montauk?
JasonA	posted 05-26-2002 09:33 AM ET (US) What would be the advantage of selling my 15' SS and buying a Montauk 17. Aside motor, is it that much more boat? Thanks- Jason
Ferdinando	posted 05-26-2002 10:58 AM ET (US) Jason: Thats exactly what I did back in 1998. I sold my 1985 15' SS which I purchased new and was in MINT condition. It cost me $9,600 dollars and I sold it for $10,000...... The only reason I sold it was that I was tired of driving the thing sitting down. I added $10,000 and bought a new 98 Montauk $8500 for the boat and $1500 for all the extras....... Was it worth it....you bet it was, although it was less then 2' the change was worth it in my book, more space and comfort and I can go a little further out.......... I will probably keep this one for another 10 yrs sell it for more then I paid for and go for an Outrage to keep me company in my golden years.............. Good luck......... Fred
bc	posted 05-26-2002 01:07 PM ET (US) I've heard this conversation here a lot the last couple months (15 to 17); I own a 15' striper and love it for fishing (finally got it rigged like I wanted) If the boat is primarly used in sheltered water and you don't need the extra room, why spend the extra $$$$$? Just a thought, but if money is no object, you fish open water, and need the room then go for it.
15to17	posted 05-26-2002 09:53 PM ET (US) The 15' is just about the perfect boat for one or two people. Had my 89 Striper for 7 years. The number of "crew" I needed to accommodate grew by two in those seven years, so I did the only reasonable thing--I moved up to a Montauk. The basics--more room, standup piloting, greater freeboard. If I had my druthers, I would have kept the Striper for my solo forays and the Montauk for when the family wanted to come along. You simply cannot go wrong with either hull, in my considered opinion. Good luck!
outrage22	posted 05-27-2002 12:07 AM ET (US) the advantage of the montauk is obviously room and stability but i would take the 15 over the 17 because it actually handles the chop better. you will get pounded more in the montauk, probably due to the bigger twin sponsons. the 15 rides like a dream if you have it trimmed right. i always kept the motor all the way down (bow down) and it would take most of the chop on the sharper front portion of the keel. probably less fuel efficient but i hate getting pounded! i know i sound crazy but i have owned both boats.
Stuart	posted 05-27-2002 08:36 AM ET (US) I would have to side with Outrage22, the ride in the 15 will be considerably more comfortable than the Montauk. The Deeper V centre sponson really cuts through the chop, and provides a softer landing in larger swells. I spent a summer driving both boats at camp in NC, and really rememeber the difference. On the other hand, there is something to be said for standing behind a console, ripping across the water. It really comes down to preference. Drop by your local (reputable) Whaler dealer and on a choppy, rough day and drive a Montauk. Either way you can't go wrong! Stuart
Highwater	posted 05-27-2002 10:53 PM ET (US) How much weight can a 15' with a 70 hp carry and still get on a plane? How much weight can the Montauk with a 90 hp carry and still get on a plane? My 13' with a 40 hp can carry 800 pounds of fuel, gear and crew and still get on a plane. Since the 13' is Coast Guard rated for six people and the the 15' is Coast Guard rated for five people, I would guess that the 15' might not be able to handle as much weight as the 13'. Is that true?
WantaWhale	posted 05-28-2002 12:29 AM ET (US) At some point I would like to get a larger whaler (while keeping my SS11) and looking at something around 15-18'. Will the 15 handle 4 people or is it way to cramped? In the other direction, can 1 person launch and handle the 17 with no problems? I suspect I will be solo about 70% of the time and need a boat I can do everything solo. outrage22 - My dad says the same thing as you that the 15 is a better riding boat...maybe you are on to something as I have noticed that my SS11 has a better ride than a McKeeCraft 14. The 14 has more of a triHull shape than my 11, but also more stable when standing still so I guess it's a trade off.
bc	posted 05-28-2002 09:49 PM ET (US) I was thinking my 15' is rated for 7 people at an average of 150 per person. Seven folks would be TIGHT, four ok for cruising/ two for fishing.
Highwater	posted 05-28-2002 09:57 PM ET (US) I thought that the 13s were rated for 6 people, the 15s were rated for 5 people, and the Montauks were rated for 7 people.
djahncke	posted 05-28-2002 10:02 PM ET (US) My 15'Sport made in 1978 is rated, according to the sticker, for 7 people and 70hp. New 15' sports carry a sticker rating of 5 people. My 17' Dauntless made in 1995 while a bigger boat is also rated for 7 people and 135hp. I think they changed the rating system sometime after my 15' sport was made.
Tom W Clark	posted 05-28-2002 10:12 PM ET (US) The 15' originally had a maximum persons capacity of 7 but in 1981 that was changed to 5. The 13' has always been 6 persons and the 17' has always been 7 persons. Incidentally, the 15's swamped capacity was 1650 lbs. from 1976 to 1984 but was upped in 1985 to 1800 lbs. No apparent reason for this increase and it does not correlate with the change in persons capacity.
george nagy	posted 05-28-2002 10:18 PM ET (US) I was going to go to a montauk from my old 15' and decided the jump wasn't worth it so I went further to an 18'. I love the 18' but there will always be a soft spot for the 15'.
TightPenny	posted 05-29-2002 10:13 AM ET (US) I moved from my 1977 Sport 15 to my 2000 Montauk. What a difference, as it is so much more boat than the 15. JasonA - go for it