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CaptCornchowder posted 05-27-2002 07:51 PM ET (US)   Profile for CaptCornchowder   Send Email to CaptCornchowder  
I am writing this tthread in the general forum because of my boat.I have a 1990 Outrage 19,builtin Rockland,Ma.It has a tan interior and is all glass. It's console is larger than the Teak clad ones.I opened a thread in the post classics as per Jimh's instructions for boats built after 1990. I was later informed by Tom Clark, whom I believe is very knowlagable, Said he believed my boat is not a post classic. Will someone please help? Signed confused
JBCornwell posted 05-27-2002 09:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Howdy, Capt.

1990 is in a grey area. Your OR-19 is even grey within the grey area.

Your outer hull is the same 18'6" mold as the classic OR-18s of the '80s. I believe that the liner is different and I think the weight is more than the OR-18.

Rather than being neither classic nor post-classic, I would call your boat both.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

jimh posted 05-27-2002 10:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The 19-Outrage hull is the same as the 18-Outrage. The details of the construction are somewhat different, and the console arrangement is different.

The "Post Classic Forum" for boats "made after 1990" perhaps should say instead "first made after 1990."

Rockland, Mass. construction? It's a classic!
:-)

B Bear posted 05-27-2002 11:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for B Bear  Send Email to B Bear     
CaptCronchowder,
You don't have to quantify why you posted in General if your hull was post-classic.

Now that you know your boat is from the classic lines,

Post in Post-Classics if there a specific question about post 1990 Boston Whalers and post 1990 Classic Boston Whaler Hulls. This is the only forum that cares about the manufacturing date of your Whaler.

It seems to me that all the other forums share common themes for any whaler no matter when it was built.

Post in Repairs/Modification if you have a repair or modification you need help with.

Post in General if you have a general question or statement about Whalers.

Post in Performance if you need help with a prop, trailer or questions on trim tabs …etc.

Post in Trips and Rendezvous if want to get together.

Post in Cetacea if you want to talk about the pictures.

Post in Marketplace if you want to sell or buy.

Post in META if you want to comment about JimH’s site.

And most of all, Post if you can help someone with a question and share your views.

Please correct me if am wrong.
Bear

Tom W Clark posted 05-27-2002 11:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I beg to differ with both JB and jimh. CaptCornchowder’s boat is not an Outrage II. The inner hull liner is no different and the construction of the hull is no different than a Classic Outrage 18. Only the console and the name (Outrage 19 vs. Outrage 18) are different. A different console does not a Post Classic make.

Here is a photo of CaptCornchowder’s boat:

http://home.attbi.com/~tomwclark/1990outrage19.jpeg

It is the Outrage II which has the modified liner with its raised cockpit sole. White gelcoat also adorned the Outrage II but color alone does make a Post Classic either.

This is a subtle distinction and I want to make sure CaptCornchowder is no longer confused. For all intents and purposes, his boat is a Classic 18’ Outrage just as mine and JB’s were (are). The one strange thing about CaptCornchowder’s boat is the newer console which I suspect is a transitional aspect of this boat. CaptCornchowder’s Outrage may well be one of the last of the Classic Outrage 18’s (19’s).

The Outrage II may have been introduced in 1990 as a 1991 model but CaptCornchowder’s boat is not an Outrage II.

I should note here that the leaning post is an addition of the original owner of this boat and should not add to the confusion in determining what model it really is.

As to what really belongs in the Post Classic section of the FORUM, remember that jimh added that section as a place for the owners of Post Classic Whalers to talk about their boats outside of the discussions of the “dinosaurs” like me who think only Whalers built before Reebok took over are worthy.

Some time ago jimh posted a very amusing statement about set theory and what should be in the Post Classic section of the FORUM. I wish I could find it now. At any rate, Post Classic owners are neither excluded nor discouraged from posting in the other sections of the FORUM including the General section.

I do not think one can simply say a date of manufacture after some point like 1990 makes a boat a Post Classic Whaler. It has to do with when the design of the boat was made and how it is constructed. It will remain a gray area but not for CaptCornchowder and his boat.

Outrage19 posted 05-28-2002 12:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for Outrage19  Send Email to Outrage19     
Sweet looking "Classic Outrage19" Capt. Cornchowder!!!!

But......... where is the bait tank???? ;-)

I love whalers... all of them!!!

Dave(Outrage19)
www.angelfire.com/realm/keenfish/index.html

george nagy posted 05-28-2002 09:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
Would a brand new 02 17' utility be considered a post classic or a classic?
Tom W Clark posted 05-28-2002 11:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
A 2002 17' Utility is absolutely a Classic Whaler as are all the Montauks built up to this year. They are all the same hull with only small detail changes.

I think jimh's suggestion of boats first built after 1990 is a better descriptor of what a Post Classic is. The hull of the 17’ Utility was first produced in 1976 as a 1977 model (17’ Montauk)! Hardly Post Classic.

This is why I really don't think Montauk owners should post in the Post Classic section, but Dauntless owners may.

JBCornwell posted 05-28-2002 01:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
I stand corrected. I wasn't very sure about it anyway.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

lhg posted 05-28-2002 07:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
A friend had a 1990 19' Outrage, and it had the standard, teak trimmed, console, and teak gunwales, which were extra cost back then. For all practical purposes, the 1990 19' Outrage was the 18 Outrage that we all know. My 1990 catalog confirms this.

I would place Capt's boat, or the one in the link, as a 1991 19' Outrage. This is when they brought out the different console, but otherwise the boat was the same. This console was used in the '91, '92 & 93' Classic Outrages, 19-25'. Cetacea Page 8 shows this same console in Kingfish's 22 Outrage.

The Outrage II, with grey third liner interior, came out as a '92-'95 model.

Outrage19 posted 05-28-2002 09:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Outrage19  Send Email to Outrage19     
Here is the CC on my 1992 Outrage19. Looks a little different than Cornchowders and it's hinged:

www.momentoffame.com/snapshots/MomentOfFame/l15419.jpg

The cockpit config on mine is quite a bit different. Raised bow lockers, different transom all together, self bailing.

Outrage19

CaptCornchowder posted 05-28-2002 09:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for CaptCornchowder  Send Email to CaptCornchowder     
Dave- thanks for the compliment, will try to send pictures of new t-top
Tom W Clark posted 05-28-2002 10:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Larry,

It's interesting that you would say it is a 1991 model. The Johnson outboard on it is a 1991 model so that makes some sense.

CaptCornchowder,

What is the HIN of your boat? That will tell us exactly what year it is.

CaptCornchowder posted 05-28-2002 10:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for CaptCornchowder  Send Email to CaptCornchowder     
Tom I feel so exposed giving my HIN out in public, but for the good of the forum here goes. BWC7019ED090
Tom W Clark posted 05-28-2002 10:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
CaptCornchowder ,

Well there you go, your boat was built in April of 1990 as a 1990 model. You were right all along.

Maria posted 05-28-2002 10:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maria  Send Email to Maria     
I own a 19' 91 Outrage...I may be wrong but I believe that CaptCornchowder's Outrage is also a 91 model and not a 1990. I also became a little disturbed , because I wanted to own a classic(been a classic whaler owner all my life!!!) and it seemed that what I had bought is what you considered as a "post-classic". So I decided that I needed more info so I could put to rest my "dark side" of not being an owner of a classic whaler...That all came to an end, THANK GOD!!!!!!!, after reading A LOT from old postins in this site(particulary LHG's remarks),calling Boston Whaler for specifications and reading the original owner's manual that came with the boat...You see, I even bought in ebay an 1992 Outrage Manual,so I could rest assured that I had the "old" manual vs the new one...
The only "variation" that my boat has is the bigger console...so as Tom W Clark and LHG stated, don't be confused CaptCornchowder, YOU DO OWN A CLASSIC!!!!!
Maria
Maria posted 05-28-2002 10:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maria  Send Email to Maria     
Sorry, got disconnected while I was writing...took me sometime...You were right!!!!
Maria
Leener posted 05-28-2002 10:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Leener  Send Email to Leener     
CaptCornchowder,
Nice looking boat. I just bought a '89 18 OR that is very original. Yours would look almost identical to mine if I removed all of the teak. Your console has a locking storage area on top and mine doesn't. Otherwise the layout, lockers, trim, railings etc. are identical. I'm a newbie to this forum so I can't say with authority that yours is a classic. But, I can say that if you like your 19 as much as I like my 18, you're a happy boater.
Leener
lhg posted 05-29-2002 06:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
So I guess we now know that sometime late in the 1990 production run, they must have run out of the teak trimed standard console and started using the taller console, with no teak. It's hard to sleuth out all of BW's gyrations in components and hulls.

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