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John from Madison CT posted 05-28-2002 07:00 AM ET (US)   Profile for John from Madison CT   Send Email to John from Madison CT  
Greetings Gents,

I'm still playing around with the idea of buying that 22' Outrage with the 250hp Yamaha on the Whaler Drive.

I've never owned a Whaler with the Whaler Drive bracket and was wondering whether or not the unit is hollow or not. While hitting it with my fist it seemed that way but then I wondered about water possibly getting in the unit and having no exit.

Also, with a large V6 Outboard mounted on it, does anyone know if there is room for a kicker possibly mounted on a bracket?

Thanks guys,

John from Madison, CT

Clark Roberts posted 05-28-2002 07:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
John, the WD is not hollow but foam filled and provides some floatation! As to the kicker mounting, I don't think there is room for direct mounting and it may require a bracket....???? Clark ... Spruce Creek Navy
OutrageMan posted 05-28-2002 08:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for OutrageMan  Send Email to OutrageMan     
John,

You are basically describing the boat I used to own. It can be seem here @ [urlhttp://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage45.html[/url]

When I first bought the boat it had a 9.9 Yamaha 4 stroke kicker mounted on the WD just to port of the big 250. It worked very well, but I had no need for a kicker and had it removed. It was on a bracket that was mounted to the WD. A beckson plate was cut into the deck of the WD to get at the nuts for the bracket.

As you can see from the picture, the saving grace to this boat was the Stingray Hydrofoil that I installed. That big 250 created a lot of torque list, and the fin got rid of it all.

It is my opinion that the 22 with WD is one of the best riding Whalers ever built. You can't go wrong with it.

Brian

OutrageMan posted 05-28-2002 08:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for OutrageMan  Send Email to OutrageMan     
Sorry...

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage45.html

John from Madison CT posted 05-28-2002 01:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for John from Madison CT  Send Email to John from Madison CT     
Brian,

Thank you for the info.. I've emailed you with somemore questions if you don't mind helping me.

Those Cetacea photos are great.

Regards,

John

peteinsf posted 05-28-2002 04:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for peteinsf    
Be careful with a kicker bracket, the “swim platform” part of a whaler drive has no wood behind it. The previous owner of my boat bolted a kicker bracket (with fender washers) thru this un-reinforced area and cracked the gelcoat and my whaler drive ended up full of water and with a big access hold cut in it…

Other then that the added space is great! And the boat does “ride” like it’s a bigger craft…

Pete

John from Madison CT posted 05-28-2002 08:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for John from Madison CT  Send Email to John from Madison CT     
Guys,

Does the Whaler drive actually add "wetable" hull length to the boat? I guess what I'm asking is, does it touch the water while on plane?

Thanks,

John

peteinsf posted 05-28-2002 08:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for peteinsf    
Yes,

It also slows down the boat. lgh had some numbers from Whaler for a 25' hull that showed a 5MPH (might have been 10) slow down what the same HP motors. Of course they up the HP rating to make up for it.

Larry experience shows an "out of the water" bracket is the high performance option. (About $2300 self install)

lhg posted 05-29-2002 07:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
The additional "wetable" length of the Whaler Drive Whalers is where the higher HP ratings came from. A full transom Outrage/Revenge with an aftermarket bracket, such as I have, did not get the higher HP rating.
peteinsf posted 05-29-2002 07:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for peteinsf    
Larry, if it's "wetable" length issue how can you explain the Temptation 2200's 400HP HP rating? I know you spoke with the "plate" decision makers when you ordered your 25, did you get into their inconsistency of the different model’s ratings?...

(I do agree that it should be a boat length/area decision)

lhg posted 05-30-2002 04:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I agree, the 400HP rating on the 22 WD was probably either a mistake or simply too much for the boat to handle. That's why it was quickly changed to 300. I've seen many powered that way with twin 150's, an excellent arrangement. The boat weighs about 1300 lbs less than my 25, with a narrower beam, and I can tell you the twin 200 Mercs are even a lot on the 25. I do think that the military powered some 22 CPD's with 400Hp however.

A 22 with a Whaler drive would be about 24-8 overall, about the same as a convnetional 25 Outrage. So the 300Hp rating makes some sense under the formula. A 22 with a full transom and Armstrong (or other) Bracket, instead of the WD, would be screamer with a good pair of 150 EFI's on it.

When I ordered my 25 full transom (it was called a Sea Drive Blank in those days), they refused to put the 450 HP rating on it, since the Armstrong bracket is out of the water when planing. The OMC Sea Drive 25's also carried the 300Hp rating.

jimh posted 06-04-2002 09:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Here is a good view of how lhg's WHALELURE runs with the Armstrong engine setback bracket out of the water when on plane:

http://continuouswave.com/sail-logs/gb2001/images/5WhalerLureStern593x392.jpeg

John from Madison CT posted 06-04-2002 12:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for John from Madison CT  Send Email to John from Madison CT     
Did LHG take off the Whaler Drive and install the Armstrong bracket?

John

peteinsf posted 06-04-2002 02:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for peteinsf    
Larry ordered his from the factory as a "sea drive blank", Whaler's name for a full transom with nothing mounted on it...

Pete

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