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NORTHPROP posted 06-04-2002 01:19 PM ET (US)   Profile for NORTHPROP   Send Email to NORTHPROP  
Hello Everyone

I am not yet a Whaler owner, but things are looking good for the near future. I am interested in a 13' model and am considering both the new 13' sport, or a '80-90 ish sport or gls.

I was wondering if anyone has/does own or had any experience with both of these models, and could give me some insight into the ride quality and overall usability of both models. Are they comparable, or is one better than the other in certain aspects (stability, ride harshness, fit and finish, etc..)?

Any thoughts or comments would be greatly appreciated!

jimh posted 06-04-2002 04:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I think you have to approach it this way:

A new 13-SPORT costs, say, $10,000 delivered (the price seems to have been slowly sneaking upward). That is for new--new everything. New boat; new motor; new trailer. Full warranty.

If you find a nice 1990's 13-Sport (classic), how much would you pay for it? Probably less than $10,000. You just decide how much less than a new boat.

Are the boats the same? No. Just before the new model came out with an introductory price of $8,000, the old model was priced quite a bit higher than that. (I think it was over $12,000, typically). Clearly, something was taken out of the boat. It is hard to imagine there could be that much more labor cost in making the older boat.

Of course, you might find a nice older 13 with a decent engine and trailer and only have to pay $2,500. You can't really predict what you'll find in the way of used boats, their condition or their price.

You can just compare what you find with what the new one costs, and make a decision.

The idea with the low-price on a boat like the new 13-Sport is to get the customer into boating in your brand of boat. If the customer finds out he likes boating, then he'll come back and get a bigger boat. That has been the SEARAY strategy for years; keep moving the customer up the product line.

Hey, maybe your dealer has a two-year old 13-Sport he just took on trade for a new Montauk?

whalernut posted 06-04-2002 07:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
My vote is for the `13 Classic sport, you can buy one for alot less money and they are well a Classic Whaler. If that isn`t a factor for you and you like both models, then go with your head and heart and buy the one that trips your wires. Good luck-Jack.
browning20ga posted 06-04-2002 09:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for browning20ga  Send Email to browning20ga     
jimh & whalernut covered your question very well from a practical standpoint. BUT I wouldn't consider a new GLS, I hate the looks of all that white fiberglass, a Merc. outboard would be my 4th choice for a motor and I would want a galvanized trailer. The dealers around here rig them with a 40hp Merc and set them on a painted trailer. I have a 1974 13'er rigged the way I want it with a sparkling new Honda on it. I have almost as much invested in my boat as a new GLS but wouldn't trade it for a new one. I like the looks of a classic and I'm very proud when I see people oggeling my boat and it fits my needs. My boat will require much more maintence over the years and may not ride as nice as a new boat but I love the classic look. Just my $0.02 worth, good luck.
Darrell
KeysNole posted 06-05-2002 01:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for KeysNole  Send Email to KeysNole     
I recently sold my 92 GLS 13. I liked it better than the sport because I'm not too much of a Classic buff, and the boat was all fiberglass (holds up much better than wood in the Florida elements).

I think both boats have the same exact hull design (except for the brand new sport, as jimh mentioned). If you are looking for ride quality, the Whaler's stability is superior to most boats out there, however a 13' boat is a 13' boat no matter how you slice it.

My boat "Pound Salt" is on the 13' reference page under GLS. I also have many pictures of my boat if you would be interested.

Digs1622 posted 06-05-2002 04:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Digs1622  Send Email to Digs1622     
North,

Just bought in April my 91 13'ss and I love it. I paid 4400 for it (included trailor and 25hp evinrude) and it was in above average condition. It runs like a charm and I have no regrets. I think the others covered the issue very well. In my opinion Id go for the older model because of the sweet wood interior. I cant imagine having it without the wood. If you want to save money go for an older model...you'll probably save 5k.

Digs

NORTHPROP posted 06-05-2002 09:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for NORTHPROP  Send Email to NORTHPROP     
Price is definately a factor, and the problem tends to get worse here in Canada. I priced out a new one at the Toronto boat show in november. The entry price for the 2 stroke 40 and no options was just over $13,000 Can. The one at the show had the 4 stroke and comfort package and that brought the price to a whopping $17,000+ (I can't remember the exact number). That makes a used model much more favorable.

Catch 22, there seems to be very few used whalers on the canadian market. Now, I must admit that I haven't looked very hard because I haven't quite been ready to buy yet. I have only been looking on Autotrader sites and at dealer's web site inventories. Hopefully when the time comes, and I start asking dealers for help, more hulls will start showing up.

I would consider going States side to find one, but take one look at the dollar conversion, and I might as well buy a brand new one.

I guess I need to move to the sunny south!

NORTHPROP posted 06-06-2002 11:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for NORTHPROP  Send Email to NORTHPROP     
Just a quick note of thanks for all who replied and LHG for running this site.

I know that I have learned a great deal from the refrence sections and the knowledge of all the form participants. I think I am much better prepared for my whaler search!

I think I will be looking the used route first. I must agree with digs1622, I do like the wooden accents as well. (I also love wooden boats, my current boat is a 12' moulded plywood utility that my brother built many years ago).

Thanks again everyone!

jbtaz posted 06-06-2002 12:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for jbtaz  Send Email to jbtaz     
I can tell you definalty get the new Sport 13. I have both-a 2002 and an older 81...The new 13 Sport has the bowrail/cushion/backrest package, along with the new Mercury 40 EFI 4 stroke. I love the boat. It has a smoother ride than my older boat, along with a bigger beam and a bit more freeboard..It also comes as a package wich makes it nice..Plus you get a full warranty..Don't get me wrong, the old boats are great too, but it's like night and day in ride, and throw the price and what you get NEW, it't the way to go.
GRMPer posted 06-06-2002 01:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for GRMPer  Send Email to GRMPer     
I own a 2002 13 as well, but have only ridden in the older versions. New one is smoother, dryer and mine came w/ a 5 year warranty on the Mercury (bought before 4/15).

Per

Bigshot posted 06-06-2002 02:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
The GLS is HEAVY compared to a sport and due to it's console setup, etc it has little interior room. If you want a GLS get a 15'.
NORTHPROP posted 06-06-2002 02:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for NORTHPROP  Send Email to NORTHPROP     
A 15' would be great, but I have another constraint; towing capacity. My tow vehicle is a 1999 Pontiac Grand Am (with the V6).

It is rated for towing 1000 lbs. Bigshot, do you know if the 15' rigged with trailer would max out over that weight?

Bigshot posted 06-06-2002 02:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Roughly 200lbs heavier than the 13 sport. Depending on what engine you use...that can add another 100.

My 15' with a 70hp and trailer came in just under 1000. So a 13' would be somewhere around 700lbs.

Digs1622 posted 06-06-2002 07:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Digs1622  Send Email to Digs1622     
get the super sport...save the money and get the same ride....if you like the wood...going new is not the way to go. BW retains the value...getting new will only help in a small way, save your cash and enjoy yourself. If you want an all glass enterior than do so....otherwise, save the money and treat yourself to a high end wood interior!

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