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Who has ordered new Montauk?
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posted 06-08-2002 08:42 AM ET (US)
I think it would be interesting to know how many people on the forum have ordered or taken delivery of a new Montauk 170.I would also like any input or suggestions from new owners as whaler does read this site.It might be helpful to them on improving future models.I think it also would be nice to hear where you heard about the new boat. I myself found out about it on this forum.
Whaler should send Jimh a commission on every sale through this forum or maybe a complimentary Montauk 170 for all the free advertising they get.
posted 06-08-2002 09:05 AM ET (US)
Funny you should ask. I'm about a phone call away from ordering mine. I've looked at them, touched them and admired them for two months now; but can't seem to "pull the trigger". The problem for me - Mercury. I love the boat, but not the motor. I'm probably going to go with a "pre-owned" Montauk but the market forces have yet to bring the prices down in reference to the "new" ones. I've seen ads as recently as this week for used 2000 Montauks for $22K. As long as I'm talking about price I think it fair to mention that Pelican Harbor BW in Lanoka Harbor, NJ gives the best deal without haggling. (thanks, "James") Another NJ dealer I went to wants to add shipping, off-loading, water testing, etc, to the price. Then there's the dealer who wants 22K for a 2001 because "they dot't make them anymore". This is the same dealership in which the wife and I waited in the showroom and walked around the lot for 20 minutes and could not find someone to help us - that actually happened twice. I've read the tread about Merc 90 's and know that with any brand you get good or bad, but percentage wise...........and should I have to put up with hard starting on a brand new engine? Decisions, decisions..........
posted 06-08-2002 09:40 AM ET (US)
I have... but you know that.
posted 06-08-2002 09:41 AM ET (US)
Is the new 170 Montauk available as a "blank," without engine or pre-rig? You'd then have the option of installing whatever power you choose. Your inquiry may reveal that you're paying for a pre-rig you don't want, in which case I'd look for another option.
Perhaps others who are considering the new 170 Montauk can comment on this.
posted 06-08-2002 09:43 AM ET (US)
Get the new Montauk with the 4 stroke 90. No problems starting and you are keeping the environment cleaner, not to mention quieter.
My 2 cents,
posted 06-08-2002 12:14 PM ET (US)
I picked up a new Montauk last week. Based on a few hours at the lake I really like the boat. Have not run at WOT yet but it planes easily at lower speeds. Lots of room.
This forum got me to go look at the boat. The dealer had both old and new Montauks side by side. It wasn't a hard choice for me but the old one is still a fine boat.
When I have more ride time, I will have more to report.
posted 06-08-2002 04:49 PM ET (US)
We've ordered...on May 15th. Delivery is supposed to be sometimes middle to late July <sigh>. The dealer also told us that each dealer would only be getting 2 from this production run. It wasn't a sale tactic as I had already told him we wanted one, but I haven't heard that anywhere else.
Ray or Hugh....what model of E-Z Loader is the trailer? The dealer didn't know what the Montauk came on and I'm wondering about it...like weight and type (bunk or rollers). If I knew the model, I could look at E-Z's site and get the info.
posted 06-08-2002 05:10 PM ET (US)
s bunks Annie.
posted 06-08-2002 06:46 PM ET (US)
I have taken delivery of my Montauk 170 w/ 2 stroke 90, fishing package and bow cushion. Impressed with the stable smooth ride and the room in the boat. Haven't loaded it with the crab pots and salmon fishing partners to give it the true test--but expect good things. If anyone has info on kicker motor mounting it would be much appreciated. Can't find it in the owners manual.
posted 06-08-2002 10:59 PM ET (US)
Jimm.....Bit the bullet ........you will never regret it.IT'S A GREAT BOAT. Also... Whaler is going to raise the price on the 2003 Montauk with no changes on the boat. Get your order in quickly and save money.I have had no problem with my Mercury 4 stroke. Anyway that's what warrantee's are for....JUST DO IT .....as Nike would say.
posted 06-09-2002 10:53 PM ET (US)
Picked mine up today with 90 2 stroke....
Started right up cold, which I checked before we started it.
Nice ride... by the way this dealer just sold his 2 boat quota. He said he price will probably go up about 3k for the 2003.
posted 06-10-2002 02:00 AM ET (US)
I heard about the new 170 Montauk model exclusively through this Forum, several months before it's existence was even willfully recognized by BW. At the time, my family and I were pretty convinced on my buying a new Scout or an Edgewater.
The BW tradition for quality, seaworthiness, and safety, combined with the comments so willfully expressed by the Forum members, caused me to reconsider my purchase decision.
I can understand some of the frustration with BW shared by some Classic Whaler owners, as a result of my own feelings regarding the mandatory Merc engines and the reduced HP rating for this model. However, I found the information disseminated by members of this forum to be accurate and convincing. I guarantee you that my BW purchase would not have occurred without this Forum.
My new 170 Montauk (and first Whaler) is now under wraps at the dealer. We ordered some non-Whaler options which have to be installed. We have arranged for delivery on June 21. I expect this will be an interesting experience.
posted 06-10-2002 04:12 PM ET (US)
Jimm - I may potentially (see my other listing) have a '99 Montauk for sale that I bought new in 2000 with a 2000 90 hp Honda, galvanized EZ Loader trailer, etc. Overall, a very sweet boat. I'm just pining for the higher maintenance of an older one. Let me know if you're interested. My wife and I could deliver in the form of a road trip. Justin Andersen
posted 06-15-2002 11:34 PM ET (US)
Found out about the new 170 Montauk on this site and immediately went to the dealer to look at possibilities. I already knew that I a BW was the only option. After seeing the used market in the area and the new Montauk, I took the last one he had in stock with Merc4-stroke as of May 7. I keep it on land and use it often by launching from davits which I installed in.(What a job!!!) It is all that I had expected...ride, engine, size, handling ease are fantastic. GREAT BOAT!
posted 06-19-2002 10:08 AM ET (US)
Jimh- Have you heard anything from Whaler as to when they will deliver your new Montauk 170 as a show of appreciation for all the boats you have sold through this site?
We are all waiting for Whaler to make their move....... It would cost them less than placing a few adds in Yachting or Motor Boating with actual results.
posted 06-19-2002 12:41 PM ET (US)
The new Montauk 17 does look like a nice LITTLE boat. The fit and finish of any new whaler is flawless and I've been on alot of them...I'm former Coast Guard...
There are a few reasons why I wouldn't buy the 17, no stern cleats.They put a premium price tag on this boat and it doesn't even have basic equipment...The gunnels are too low, and for all the customizing on "Tabasco", I could get into a nice 17'or 20' Edgewater...I'm not an employee of Edgewater boat company just an educated consumer...The 17's are great for young people just getting started in boating...
posted 06-19-2002 02:29 PM ET (US)
Some of us donít like tall gunnels, we like to fall out of the boat!
posted 06-19-2002 03:47 PM ET (US)
Know I know why you deleted the railings. With the bow & stern rails....Not only can't I fall out.....I can't get back in!
cleats......we don't need no stinkin cleats!
Do Edgewater's have Norman pins......I think not:)
posted 06-19-2002 04:26 PM ET (US)
No, I have the railings. My wife and I just stand up, put our but on the side rail and flip back. The boat is so stable, unlike a deep v, that you really donít have to worry about getting thrown around with an extra 150 pounds of gear on your body, even when itís rough. Itís not bad to get into (I have the newer ladder with two steps) the small platform on the back will support a lot of weight, at least 400 pounds. I usually flip the fins in the boat, come out with the rest of my gear on, and then let my wife hand hers up. She has more trouble with the weight of the stuff than the guys do and is really hooked on diving out of Whalers having made the much more difficult climb into bigger boats.
I thought about getting rid of the bow railing, but like the security when Iím trying to put a hook into a wreck.
I didnít get the optional spinnaker package, so I didnít have stern cleats put on the boat.
posted 06-19-2002 09:38 PM ET (US)
Thought that everyone understood that the eyes inside the transom of a Montauk are stern cleats and good ones.
On my boat the lines stay attached and are allways there and ready, the same for a line attached to the inside bow eye.
posted 06-20-2002 06:53 AM ET (US)
My montauk is basically brand new,....that whole boat is now restored and its a 1966! ...(it came with a fiberglass counsil...so i didn't wanna go with the blue and white) But it is a brand new boat to me....and heck , i don't have around 26 grand to spend on a new whaler. this one is just fine ...just along as it says Boston Whaler on it.
posted 06-20-2002 10:47 AM ET (US)
I knew that Dick.....that's why I don't need no stinkin cleats!
My baja has cleats and you can barely get a rope around them.
posted 06-20-2002 11:13 AM ET (US)
I had set installed at the bow of my 13 Dauntless back in 96. I needed them for hanging some dive stuff. It was about $50.00 as I recall. Not a big issue when deciding what kind of boat to buy in my opinion.
posted 06-20-2002 01:10 PM ET (US)
BS, thats your problem for buying a Baja. (small cleats)...The tow eyes on the outside transom of the Montauk are just that, tow eyes...Who wants to bend over the transom to tie up?...Oh, and I Don't need no stinkin norman pins, just cleats...
I think Whalers are great boats, I owned a 1965 13' sport. It was my first boat and I have alot of great mamories on it. It doesn't mean I'm not critical of what I see them building now.(I don't believe the Montauk has ever had stern cleats)Why not?
I attend many boat shows, and seminars. I've visited many dealers crawling all over various brands looking at their quality. Its true Boston Whaler builds a strong boat but, so do alot of other boat companies. Whaler set a high bar along time ago and other companies have followed and infact surpassed it.
The bottom line is that Boston Whalers are overpriced. For the same amount of money, if a consumer looks thoroughly on the internet a boat of equal quality can be found and hundreds or even thousands can be saved at the table...
posted 06-20-2002 01:11 PM ET (US)
I had the dealer add 2 stern cleats on the 170 Montauk. The front cleat is 8"-- I got the two stern cleats a bit smaller at 6".
They work great and the cost was similar to Wreckdiver.
posted 06-20-2002 01:22 PM ET (US)
Homey.....why do you think I bought a Hydra-Sport back in 1994 brand new?
As far as classics go....no comparison, especially resale. As far as cleats go.....I don't need no stinkin cleats!
posted 06-20-2002 04:44 PM ET (US)
Last Saturday there were small craft warnings in the Northeast. The south shore of long Island had a fishing contest for shark. About thirty boats left. A 25 ft Wellcraft with four fisherman aboard disappeared. The coast guard got an SOS from them and that was the last they ever heard. No bodies or boat were recovered.
My point is that if they were in a Whaler the boat would not have sunk and possibly given them a chance to survive.
It's worth the extra bucks for that security.
posted 06-20-2002 06:17 PM ET (US)
I will take an unsinkable hull over a radio any day. Running with another boat is nice too!
posted 06-20-2002 08:34 PM ET (US)
I was discussing with my wife this morning what I had heard on local TV about this tragedy.
The unfortunate loss of these four seafarers reminds me again that there is no acceptable substitute for unsinkability. We find it difficult to accept that, except for Whaler, inshore/offshore fishing boats over 20 feet are generally not designed to be unsinkable.
We share our prayers with the grieving families.
posted 06-22-2002 10:49 AM ET (US)
"James" weren't you supposed to pick your new one up yesterday, Friday? What do you think of it? Let's hear all about it.
posted 06-25-2002 09:49 PM ET (US)
Change in plans. Plan to pick it up sometime this weekend, but definitely before the 4th. I ordered a couple of things different than on Tabasco's beautiful boat, yet they may be of interest to the Forum. I will send pictures and details to Jimh, should he be interested in posting them.
posted 06-25-2002 10:01 PM ET (US)
I think you guys are having way too much fun with those new Montauks
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