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off shore in an outrage?
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posted 06-09-2002 09:36 AM ET (US)
Can't find a search engine, sorry if this has been brought up before. I reviewed the Reference section for my 19 ft Outrage, kind of suprised to see that it was designed to handle off shore duty. Thinking of going out about 25 miles off Ocean City (calm seas). Anyone here been that far in an Outrage?
posted 06-09-2002 10:10 AM ET (US)
On a calm day with an emergency kicker and a radio I'd do it.
posted 06-09-2002 01:13 PM ET (US)
I believe the outrage IS whalers offshore model. I've taken my 18' out when the charter boats turned around. Knowing how to properly trim the engine for different conditions lets you maximize the outrage hulls performance. How far offshore you go depends on YOU what your willing to deal with. Keep the bow up in head seas. In folling seas, nothings sweeter!
posted 06-09-2002 01:15 PM ET (US)
Thats following seas!
posted 06-09-2002 06:57 PM ET (US)
Last time we fished out of Chas. SC in my 22' OR we were approx. 70 miles off....gps said 164 at the landing. Pick your days and have you fuel, safety gear, float plan filed, etc.
posted 06-09-2002 09:00 PM ET (US)
What year outrage? The older outrages have limited fuel w/o extra tanks. What type of engine? Fuel economy depends on the motor and how you run it. What type of boating experience do you and your crew have? Will you run with other boats? The open ocean is a lonely place! A good VHF is priceless! PFD's are worth their weight in gold when you can't see the mainland! My 1977 19' outrage had a 40gal fuel cell, 150 Merc and no problem runnung 40+ miles offshore on a nice day. Limited trolling time due to limited fuel. Newer 19' OR has more fuel and is a much stronger hull (nicer ride). I have seen several 18' OR's 30 to 40 miles offshore fishing for pelagic species, in fact, I have been in a 17' montauk 25 to 30 miles offshore myself. (not too often!)
Your boat was designed to handle twice what other 19' boats can handle. Unfortunately, whaler does not sell common sence with each boat. Try a few inshore runs up or down your coast to check "actual fuel economy". Find someone as nuts about fishing as you and have them run offshore with you. Invest in a great VHF radio and tell someone where you are going.
The boat can handle more than you can take and does not feel cold and wet!
Best of luck and only my two cents.
posted 06-10-2002 06:45 PM ET (US)
Check the weather daily, get a quality gps, and make sure your motor is in top shape...Its no joke when your out there and the weather turns bad...and have fun!
posted 06-10-2002 10:29 PM ET (US)
How times change.
20 years ago, a Montauk was considered an offshore boat. It was frequently mentioned in print as the only 17 safe to take offshore. The Outrage, beginning at 18, was a FAR offshore boat.
Though I only did it in flotilla, my Sakonnet twice crossed Lake Michigan and made several visits to Bimini from Pt. Everglades. I was frequently 20-30 miles out unaccompanied. When I went to the OR-18, I rarely even checked the weather before heading out.
Red sky at night. . .
posted 06-10-2002 10:44 PM ET (US)
When the weather was good I used to take my Montauk out to the Farallon islands (35mi out from the GG Bridge). Normally I would see five or six other Montauks going in and out on weekends. Just good sense, pick your day, know when to stay inside the bay. Generally the boat did better then I would, your back take quite a beating in that heavy chop. Also to second JB's comment, the only 17s out there where Montauks!
posted 06-10-2002 11:34 PM ET (US)
Fishcop was pretty wise when he said that unfortunately "whaler does not sell common sense with each boat". Although I just mess around on Lake Ontario I used to go halfway out (16 miles) in my 13' SS and I currently cross the lake in my Montauk. If you're planning on becoming a real offshoe person there's 4 items that will not only give you piece of mind but could potentially save your bacon: 1. a spare motor, minimum 9.9 for a smaller Outrage to keep the bow pointing the right way; 2. a VHF to advise whoever if you run out of gas (but don't - buy a bigger tank and monitor it closely); 3. a GPS to give you all kinds of data (besides you can save the fishing hotspots on it) and MOST IMPORTANTLY 4. a good ol' manual compass. No one has mentioned the compass so far (I think) but for 15 bucks you can get a decent cheapo waterproof unit to put in your back pocket or in your tackle box and it comes very handy when it's overcast, you've lost sight of shore and the AAs in the GPS die. Check the the VHF and look up to the sky occasionally to monitor the weather and tell someone on shore how long you'll be out for and where you're planning on going. Have fun!
posted 06-11-2002 12:22 AM ET (US)
I took my 18 Outrage up to 75 miles offshore chasing tuna many times. You have to look at it like this --- If the wind kicks up I can only make from 5-8 mph in very rough seas. Big swells are no problem its the wind waves that send you airborn at low speeds. I never felt unsafe when I got caught out too far by unexpected wind. Safe as can be but your body takes a beating from the pounding. The first time it caught me, I got spooked and tried to get back to land way too fast. Big mistake. Just take it easy, go slow and you will be fine.
posted 06-11-2002 04:23 PM ET (US)
One of the reasons I bought my Outrage was a King Mackerel fishing trip I made out of Wrightsville Beach in the late 80's. 5 of us on a mid-80's 18 Outrage 10-15 miles offshore. We were never concerned about the boat getting us home. If you are running out of Ocean City on a nice day, you will have company just over the horizon or closer in every direction. As long as you have a radio, I wouldn't hesitate.
posted 06-11-2002 07:56 PM ET (US)
I routinely take my Outrage 18 that far offshore. The farthest that I remember is 43 miles. As one of the other posters mentioned, common sense is a requirement when doing this.
A second motor ( capable of 5-10 knots), a spare prop with an extra nut, a full set of flares, backup radio, plenty of drinking water, signalling devices, an EPIRB (if you can afford it), and preferably, a running buddy should be requirements. This is in addition to 50% more gas than you would ever think to need.
Also pick a good weather day based on NOAA reports and buoy data. At the first hint of foul weather, head back to port.
posted 06-11-2002 09:07 PM ET (US)
Don't laugh, but, in addition to crashq's suggestions, don't forget something to eat. Hershey's used to make a special chocolate formulated for tropical conditions which was resistant to higher temperatures and packaged in moisture resistant wrappers. I don't know if they still make it, but something similar in the way of food should be available. Some of the myriad protein bars available today may fulfill this requirement as well.
posted 06-11-2002 09:47 PM ET (US)
Don't listen to these guys...this boat won't go offshore, you must sell it ...and I have just the buyer for you;)...Just kiddin...I'd go out in a outrage well offshore...it's the best all around..
posted 06-13-2002 10:48 AM ET (US)
If you handle the boat right, the Whaler will handle more than you can fish. Off the Florida Keys in our 19' 74 Whaler Outrage we fished 14' seas for King mackeral. My wife had 4 lines out, then 3, then 2, then stopped due to (too much work). I couldn't leave the helm and the fish were hitting like mad. At the top of the waves, the white water was sooo deep that we had foam at the gunnels. Ran the boat to Bimini twice with other Whalers, once when 8' seas were running, only boats to cross that day and only boats fishing out of Bimini that day. Just keep track of your fuel and I always carried a ELT along with VHF,water,spair kicker,flair gun and SS shotgun.
posted 06-13-2002 03:49 PM ET (US)
Great reading, this thread. Three thoughts come to mind:
1) if we did an informal survey, how many times did you actually need an auxiliary motor cause your engine failed? Dealers always used to sell twin engine rigs by scare tactics ("What if your engine failed?") I don't know of many boaters who actually told stories of one engine failing; more often it was how two outboards make twice as many problems and double maint. cost. It seems like total failures are rare today, and the kicker only gets used for trolling. Like the spare tire in my car that hasn't been out in 70,000 miles--who needs a full sized one?! Yes, my goal is to feel safe and responsable and not have to worry about maintaining two motors.
2) as someone asked, is there some way to search the FORUM to see if some topic has already been discussed? Otherwise, that's a lot of casual reading. Also, can I spellcheck? (cut and paste a document, right?)
3) this makes me wonder about a discussion of heavy weather piloting, tips and techniques. Smirky Whalers ride very differently depending on how they are driven. ~Bill
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