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teak is out, hmmm what can I use
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posted 06-18-2002 06:28 PM ET (US)
Ok, I just cannot see myself buying Teak to build a new console. I priced it and it is wayy to expensive for my taste, given that I bough my Whaler for fishing. Although I love the looks, I am hard on things and I probably will keep my boat only for three years before upgrading.
Here is my situation, I need to build a new console. Nothing in depth, the console that is on my 15 now was custom built but it is shoddy and I am looking for a bit of a different setup.
What are my other options aside from teak? If I use oak and treat it will I run into problems? Or where can I get Teak for a decent price, I looked at a place here in San Diego and it was like $80 for a 4 ft long 10 inch wide 1 inch thick board.
Recommendation on teak alternatives are greatly appreciated.
posted 06-18-2002 06:50 PM ET (US)
I think you are saying that you have a classic 15 that needs a new interior.
What have you against the original mahogany?
I would do it in teak, because I have a reverence for the best materials, but my second choice would be a strong, well figured variety of "mahogany".
At the risk of offending, I think a Whaler deserves nothing less.
BTW, if you would consider upgrading right now, see my ad for my Son's Montauk.
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posted 06-18-2002 07:54 PM ET (US)
You can try Ipe, another tropical hardwood with similar properties to teak. It is oftern used for decking material and can have striking grain pattern if you are able to pick through the supply. JB's point is well taken--if you are going to the trouble of building a custom console, the cost of the materials will be secondary to the cost of the workmanship. Why would you put out all that effort for a piece of , well, you know what. For fast and easy, buy something from West or Overton's. For cheap, use pressure treated plywood, 5200 and galvanized deck screws. For value, do the job right with the right materials.
posted 06-18-2002 08:27 PM ET (US)
There is nothing shoddy about a well done Hondoras Mahogany redo..... Its available in both 5/4 planking and plywood to match... By the way, I built all the cabinetry in my kitchen including the raised panels in Mahogany, nothing like it for water application stable and beautiful.
posted 06-18-2002 08:59 PM ET (US)
I appreciate the suggestions greatly, however, there are some issues that I have. While I have a love for Whalers, my love for fishing is by far the domainting factor here. I have other issues that were maybe not expressed in the original post. The 15 has presently a custom built console which is not the original mahogany, I want to replace it. I do not plan on keeping the boat for my lifetime, I like the new montauk a lot, but at this point my 15 serves me well, I will look into upgrading in 2 years minimum, probably more like 3. I really wouldnt want to spend 500-1000 on materials (alone) for a console, I priced some mahogany here and that is what it was looking like I would spend, for that price I could just buy one. ( I know, I know, then it loses the appeal, classic looks etc. honestly I just want to catch fish :)
Personally I am not saying that a whaler deserves anything less, I definately appreciate a nice boat but, I am ten times more happy pulling up to the dock and hearing "Geez, theres that guy in the little whaler with a boatload of fish again" rather than "Geez that guy has a nice rebuilt console"
Hope I didnt offend, I was just wondering what could be used that would hold up to the elements fairly well for a few years and wouldnt cost me an arm and a leg.
See ya on the big pond,
posted 06-18-2002 09:49 PM ET (US)
No offense taken here, I just thought you were looking for a substitute for teak. I you want to replace the console with a functional unit, maybe look into the fiberglass consoles from Carolina Skiff. I believe one is pictured on the 15x15 page and its nicely done.
posted 06-18-2002 09:53 PM ET (US)
By the way, I believe Honduras Mohagony is approx. $4-5 a board foot which is 1x1 foot by 4/4. Given that a 4 foot board will be about $20... Hope this helps...
posted 06-18-2002 10:41 PM ET (US)
Sounds like fiberglass would be your best bet for your needs. Oak would add a lot of extra weight and if any salt water were to leak in around a joint or into the end grain it would discolor, gets real ugly real fast. Sure sounds like your ready for a glass console to me.
posted 06-19-2002 12:51 AM ET (US)
I may check out the Honduras Mahogany, I probably just need to locate a good lumberyard in the area. Otherwise, fiberglass may be the route for me, cheap, easy, not bad looking and fish blood should wash right off.
|Tom W Clark||
posted 06-19-2002 01:29 AM ET (US)
Shop around. Philippine mahogany would be less money still. Though not the equivalent of Honduras mahogany (not even a real mahogany), it is what Whaler used for varnished woodwork in its Classic designs.
Actually you will spend far more in your own labor and the time it takes to varnish it than on the materials, even teak. So just get whatever you want.
Buying a pre-made plastic or fiberglass console will be less money and hassle given that you just install it and go fishing.
|Tom W Clark||
posted 06-19-2002 01:32 AM ET (US)
I meant to say that Philippine mahogany is not a real mahogany. Its actually a name applied to many different types of tropical hardwoods that look a lot like mahogany.
Honduras mahogany is the better and more expensive wood.
posted 06-19-2002 02:46 AM ET (US)
I was in a similar situation myself. I have a 1966 17' that I restored for my purpose in life, to fish. The original console was too small for my use and not designed the way I wanted. I looked at many of the fiberglass prefabbed units from carolina and others, price was right but the size was not what I was looking for. I built mine using fiberglass over plywood and finished with polyurethane. I trimed it out in Ipe, built some custom doors using the Ipe and dark smoked plexy. I beleive that part of the heritage of whalers is the way that people have customized these boats to fit their individual uses. It may reduce the value of a "Classic" but for me that was secondary. I wanted an easy trailering boat that I would feel comfortable offshore in and was setup for my fishing needs. I could have put my boat back together all original but frankly I dont like the original setup and I use my boat as a tool to fish. Generally if I am not fishing I am not using my boat. If you would like to see some photos of my console let me know and I will email them to you.
posted 06-19-2002 07:30 AM ET (US)
I was into old Criss-Craftís and Century's a few years ago. Having replaced my share of wood on these old runabouts, I would have to say itís pretty much all Philippine mahogany. Others are right; it really isnít mahogany, but a relative of the pine. Boat builders used it because it was lighter, and cheaper, than Honduras. The mahogany color came from staining.
posted 06-19-2002 10:34 AM ET (US)
If you want wood, try mahogany. i have use it successfully to replace the console in a 13 sport and to make replacement hatch covers. I have also fabricated a console to my specifications for a 16-7 bare hull from 1/4 plywood. Then had it coated inside and out with fiberglass and resin by a local fiberglass shop. Cost for fiberglassing was about $5.00 per square foot. Then added plexiglass windshield and custom fabricated Stainless hand rail. The last two item were pretty costly, about $400 for both. Aluminum would have been cheaper, but I wanted to match the hand rail with with the whaler rails. It looks great and is bullet proof.JIM
posted 06-19-2002 12:10 PM ET (US)
I needed a console for my 17' and bought a new Whaler console. I like my choice, but it was expensive. I think I could have been happy with a Carolina skiff console for my fishing, but thought this would add to resale if and when.
I think if I were in your situation I would buy a fiberglass console. It will add some value and be easier to take care of than a wood unit. If you are going to build a wood unit, I would think either build a nice one out of appropriate material or just go as inexpensive as possible. I think something in between is a waste of time and money. If I just wanted function, I think I would use pressure treated plywood from home depot and marine grade vinyl covering. Just my opinion. Kelly
posted 06-19-2002 12:59 PM ET (US)
Philmoses, what are you going to use as a template? If you are going to make a new design, then you may want to try marine plywood. Nothing fancy. It hurts less when you make a mistake, and building a prototype console without any templates will most likely result in a few mistakes. It will last for the time that you need. You will know right away if it's design will sit right with you, and then if you are happy with it, you can slowly build a nice eye-candy console to install when you go to sell the boat. A sheet of 3/4 marine ply is about $60-$70.
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