A stupid question: is a 1990 Whaler a classic or post-classic?

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nc_montauk posted 06-24-2002 05:32 PM ET (US)
Greetings all! I have been a lurker on the site for some time, and it's great...but I have one burning question - which UI know is a stupid one, by the way, but I'm curious.
Where exactly is the Classic/Post-Classic dividing line? Made after 1990 could mean model years after 1990, or including.
I have a 1990 Montauk (love the boat!!) and I'm in the grey zone! I don't know where I belong! Do I have an old-timer, or one of the new-fangled versions? ;-)

Cheers ---
BTW: I did try to find the answer to this question in the FAQ's!
Taylor posted 06-24-2002 06:23 PM ET (US)
1990 Montauk is certainly a classic. There is sort of a fuzzy line, but it has to do with the introduction date of the boat/design rather than the date of manufacture.
1990 Montauk is the same hull as a 1976 plus montauk. The console shape changed in the mid 80's and the teak started to disappear about the time of your boat. But right up to 2002, its still a classic Montauk.
nc_montauk posted 06-24-2002 07:33 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the reply. Mystery solved. No matter what the year, these are great boats.
JFM posted 06-24-2002 08:34 PM ET (US)
It's a Classic, it was made from 1976 to 2002 without changing the hull. Regards, jay
SunnySouthFloridaWhaler posted 06-24-2002 09:06 PM ET (US)
Soon to be the proud owner of what I thought was a classic ... 2003 Montauk 170.
I see lots of threads here on the new Montauk ...
I never see Montauk mentioned on the Post Classic forum ...
Will I be banned from here forever once I take delivery?
SunnySouthFloridaWhaler
jimh posted 06-24-2002 09:19 PM ET (US)
The date of 1990 as a divide between the "classic" and "post-classic" era should be used in reference to the first appearance of the design, not the date of manufacture.
In the case here, a Montauk, the boat's hull was designed in the 1960's and refined in the 1970's. That your boat was molded in the 1990's does not affect its classic designation.
Some enforce a more strict standard, that the hull must be of the original tri-hull, rounded center hull design. This definition removes even boats like the 18-Outrage from "classic" status. But I find that too narrow a delimiter.
In most cases, pre- or post-1990 works rather well. It was about that time there were significant changes in the company's ownership, chief designer, factory location, and use of wood trim and other wood components.
Throughout its history Boston Whaler has built well-construted boats with premium materials.
whalernut posted 06-30-2002 09:41 PM ET (US)
My cut-off would be if it was made in Mass. or Florida, even though for awhile they looked the same, just my reference. Jack.
JBCornwell posted 06-30-2002 10:42 PM ET (US)
Well, in my fuddled old mind a classic whaler is one designed by Dougherty or his predecessors, whether it was built in MA or FL, in 1969 or 1999.
Looking at a classic Whaler is like sitting in a Mercedes Benz. There is a familiarity that cannot be counterfieted.
If it happens to have teak or mahogany brightwork, that is even better.
Red sky at night. . .
JB :)
Jerry Townsend posted 07-01-2002 12:00 AM ET (US)
With so many definitions out there, it is absolutely amazing that more members are not confused. As Taylor mentions - the definition is a bit fuzzy - or perhaps like a bowl of jello - always moving.
But, as I have mentioned before, they are all Whalers - and people will hopefully realize that there are advantages and disadvantages to all of the designs. ----- Jerry/Idaho
Blackeagle posted 07-01-2002 11:02 AM ET (US)
Maybe it's like fuzzy jello.
whalernut posted 07-01-2002 06:39 PM ET (US)
Jerry, very well said!! Jack.
bigz posted 07-02-2002 10:38 AM ET (US)
If one is really a purist the classics ended with the designs influenced and defined by Dick Fisher which means the last ones built in the 'Outrage' and 'Revenge' lines were the slab sides discontinued after Dougherty introduced the 'deep' V hulls even though these did keep to a degree some of the old pedigree ---
The various 16 and 17's, 15's, 11's, and 9's and of course the 13's would be included even when slightly modified whether made in the 60's, 70's 80's 90's and this new century!
This definition though contrary to many members is an easy line to define for what is truly the Classic Whaler product line ---
As JimH and Jerry said though Whalers are all Whalers of high quality when ever or by whomever they were built even though some might be classed as duds they never the less were high quality duds --- chuckle
TZ
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Jerry Townsend posted 07-02-2002 11:16 AM ET (US)
Blackeagle - you might have a good point on the subject of the definition - as in my mind, fuzzy jello is a bit old, moldy, possibly decayed, smelly, et.al. and should be thrown in the garbage.
I post this message somewhat in violation of my own criterion - as it is not significantly meaningful, informative or objective. My apologies ----- Jerry/Idaho

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Author	Topic: A stupid question: is a 1990 Whaler a classic or post-classic?
nc_montauk	posted 06-24-2002 05:32 PM ET (US) Greetings all! I have been a lurker on the site for some time, and it's great...but I have one burning question - which UI know is a stupid one, by the way, but I'm curious. Where exactly is the Classic/Post-Classic dividing line? Made after 1990 could mean model years after 1990, or including. I have a 1990 Montauk (love the boat!!) and I'm in the grey zone! I don't know where I belong! Do I have an old-timer, or one of the new-fangled versions? ;-) Cheers --- BTW: I did try to find the answer to this question in the FAQ's!
Taylor	posted 06-24-2002 06:23 PM ET (US) 1990 Montauk is certainly a classic. There is sort of a fuzzy line, but it has to do with the introduction date of the boat/design rather than the date of manufacture. 1990 Montauk is the same hull as a 1976 plus montauk. The console shape changed in the mid 80's and the teak started to disappear about the time of your boat. But right up to 2002, its still a classic Montauk.
nc_montauk	posted 06-24-2002 07:33 PM ET (US) Thanks for the reply. Mystery solved. No matter what the year, these are great boats.
JFM	posted 06-24-2002 08:34 PM ET (US) It's a Classic, it was made from 1976 to 2002 without changing the hull. Regards, jay
SunnySouthFloridaWhaler	posted 06-24-2002 09:06 PM ET (US) Soon to be the proud owner of what I thought was a classic ... 2003 Montauk 170. I see lots of threads here on the new Montauk ... I never see Montauk mentioned on the Post Classic forum ... Will I be banned from here forever once I take delivery? SunnySouthFloridaWhaler
jimh	posted 06-24-2002 09:19 PM ET (US) The date of 1990 as a divide between the "classic" and "post-classic" era should be used in reference to the first appearance of the design, not the date of manufacture. In the case here, a Montauk, the boat's hull was designed in the 1960's and refined in the 1970's. That your boat was molded in the 1990's does not affect its classic designation. Some enforce a more strict standard, that the hull must be of the original tri-hull, rounded center hull design. This definition removes even boats like the 18-Outrage from "classic" status. But I find that too narrow a delimiter. In most cases, pre- or post-1990 works rather well. It was about that time there were significant changes in the company's ownership, chief designer, factory location, and use of wood trim and other wood components. Throughout its history Boston Whaler has built well-construted boats with premium materials.
whalernut	posted 06-30-2002 09:41 PM ET (US) My cut-off would be if it was made in Mass. or Florida, even though for awhile they looked the same, just my reference. Jack.
JBCornwell	posted 06-30-2002 10:42 PM ET (US) Well, in my fuddled old mind a classic whaler is one designed by Dougherty or his predecessors, whether it was built in MA or FL, in 1969 or 1999. Looking at a classic Whaler is like sitting in a Mercedes Benz. There is a familiarity that cannot be counterfieted. If it happens to have teak or mahogany brightwork, that is even better. Red sky at night. . . JB :)
Jerry Townsend	posted 07-01-2002 12:00 AM ET (US) With so many definitions out there, it is absolutely amazing that more members are not confused. As Taylor mentions - the definition is a bit fuzzy - or perhaps like a bowl of jello - always moving. But, as I have mentioned before, they are all Whalers - and people will hopefully realize that there are advantages and disadvantages to all of the designs. ----- Jerry/Idaho
Blackeagle	posted 07-01-2002 11:02 AM ET (US) Maybe it's like fuzzy jello.
whalernut	posted 07-01-2002 06:39 PM ET (US) Jerry, very well said!! Jack.
bigz	posted 07-02-2002 10:38 AM ET (US) If one is really a purist the classics ended with the designs influenced and defined by Dick Fisher which means the last ones built in the 'Outrage' and 'Revenge' lines were the slab sides discontinued after Dougherty introduced the 'deep' V hulls even though these did keep to a degree some of the old pedigree --- The various 16 and 17's, 15's, 11's, and 9's and of course the 13's would be included even when slightly modified whether made in the 60's, 70's 80's 90's and this new century! This definition though contrary to many members is an easy line to define for what is truly the Classic Whaler product line --- As JimH and Jerry said though Whalers are all Whalers of high quality when ever or by whomever they were built even though some might be classed as duds they never the less were high quality duds --- chuckle TZ Z
Jerry Townsend	posted 07-02-2002 11:16 AM ET (US) Blackeagle - you might have a good point on the subject of the definition - as in my mind, fuzzy jello is a bit old, moldy, possibly decayed, smelly, et.al. and should be thrown in the garbage. I post this message somewhat in violation of my own criterion - as it is not significantly meaningful, informative or objective. My apologies ----- Jerry/Idaho