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DCPeters posted 07-02-2002 06:42 PM ET (US)   Profile for DCPeters   Send Email to DCPeters  
I see a nice 22 outrage on boat trader with whaler drive...but it's sitting on a roller trailer.

This indicates (to me) that it may have been abused for it's 10 year life.

Would anyone shy away from this boat cause of the trailer?

dscew posted 07-02-2002 06:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew    
I would look very carefully at the bottom and have it surveyed. Even that wouldn't necessarily show damage. BW is very specific about this. Not only can rollers cause dimpling of the hull, but also delamination (more serious). Some folks think this is bunk (pardon the pun) but bunks are the only way to go, with a keel roller system for main support.
John from Madison CT posted 07-03-2002 07:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for John from Madison CT  Send Email to John from Madison CT     
DC,

Hmmm, I'd be somewhat wary of a Whaler which lived on a Roller trailer.

BTW, as you may know, I just got a 22' Outrage with W/D. I'd be glad to give you whatever info. I might have.
I couldn'd find a 22' Outrage w/WD on Boattrader. Do you have a link?

John

DCPeters posted 07-03-2002 08:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for DCPeters  Send Email to DCPeters     
Hi, John.

Strangely, the link has disappeared, though I am communicating with the owner and it isn't sold. It was (is) in Georgia on Lake Lanier.

Besides the trailer issue, it's also a bit pricey relative to your sweet deal. He's at $23 with no ttop, etc.

Tom W Clark posted 07-03-2002 01:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
DC,

I can speak from experience. I had roller trailers under my last three Whalers.

Roller trailers can cause dimpling. There certainly were dimples on my Outrage which had sat on a roller trailer for 17 years at the time I sold it. The dimples were slight. I would also say they were no greater when I sold that boat as when I bought it at 6 years of age. I suspect any "damage" that may have occurred happened pretty early on in the life of the boat.

All the roller trailers I owned were Calkins brand trailers. This trailer differs from other roller trailers like EZ Loader in that much, if not most, of the boats weight is borne by the keel rollers. EZ Loader trailers typically have no keel rollers, which is one reason I dislike them. EZ Loader quality is otherwise top notch.

As I have pointed out many times before, Jacobsen's Boats and Motors here in Seattle which was for years the biggest Whaler dealer in the world, sold almost nothing but roller trailers under the Whalers they sold. The other big Washington State Whaler dealer, Hawley's sold nothing but EZ Loader. (Both Calkins and EZ Loader are local Washington companies, so that may explain their prevalence.)

It should be noted that (up until recently) Whaler has always strongly recommended keel roller and bunk trailers but they have never required them to maintain the hull warranty.

If there were a serious problem with a correctly set up roller trailer I would think Whaler would simply say "we will not honor the warranty if you do not use the trailer we say you should". I would also think that the moist knowledgeable dealers wouldn't use them if they were so terrible.

In the case of the boat you are contemplating, I would guess that whatever has happened to the hull is done but I certainly wouldn't think it catastrophic. "Abused"? I don't think so. Don't rule it out just because of the trailer. Lift it off the trailer with a hoist and see for yourself what the bottom looks like.

reelescape1 posted 07-03-2002 02:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for reelescape1  Send Email to reelescape1     
I've had my 22 OR for 3 1/2 yrs. It came on the same roller EZ Loader that its on now. I have not noticed any ill effects. If the trailer needed replacing, I would do what the book says!! I can't figure out why the dealer would have let it go out the door on a roller trailer!! Here's a link for a picture.
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/reelescape1/lst?.dir=/Whaler+Pictures&.view=l
John W posted 07-03-2002 02:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for John W  Send Email to John W     
I'm confused here. When my father bought his 11', boston whaler's instructions were for a keel roller traier, and to have it set up so that the majority of the boat's weight is on the rollers, with the bunks there only to keep the boat level. They advised against a "bunk only" style (float on type) trailer. Now I'm hearing that rollers cause hull dimpling. What's the real story here?
kingfish posted 07-03-2002 02:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
This topic has probably been covered here in the forum as often or more so than any other, and is being followed currently by a similar thread as well.

Rollers under the keel are *good*, according to BW.

Rollers under the hull anywhere else are *bad*, according to BW.

End of story.

kingfish

MarkGould posted 07-10-2002 11:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for MarkGould  Send Email to MarkGould     
I recently looked at a 1969 17" Whaler for sale on a Load Rite trailer since 1986. The trailer has a bank of pivoting rollers on each side of the keel, but no rollers under the keel. I found substantial cracking in the interior corners of the boat, and spider web cracks in small areas of the exterior. Such cracks would be consistent with the loss of hull rigidity due to delamination; the hull shell is twisting back-and-forth on the waves, resulting in stress cracks. However, I do not know if the hull is delaminated, and if it is, whether the trailer caused the delamination. I have never owned a boat; there are probably other explanations for the hull cracks.

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