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jimithing posted 09-04-2002 10:06 AM ET (US)
Need some tips on the best way to store a 13 sport on a beach. It will be launched/retrieved by elbow grease and maybe a winch if I find the time to install it.Is this doable or is the boat just too heavy to slide on and off a beach? Anyone else out there done this? Planning on giving this boat to my father in law and it is really the only place that he can keep it. All comments welcome.Thanks.
Bigshot posted 09-04-2002 11:32 AM ET (US)
Use beach wheels or 2 big PVC pipes to roll it up and back. I use the PVC on my cement ramp, they work like big rollers.
beach wheels are big wheels on a dolly, not very easy but better than anything else.
tlynch posted 09-04-2002 11:33 AM ET (US)
They make trailers for PWC that have 'sand wheels'. They are large plastic wheels that look a bit like tractor wheels. I have seen these pulled by an atv across the beach. You might be able to put a set of these wheels onto a 13' Whaler trailer. Bringing the boat down to the water would be no problem, pulling it back up would be difficult. High tide gives you a shorter distance to pull.
We drag a hobie cat up the beach across PVC pipe. The boat slides across the pipe fairly easily. We have 3 tubes and keep the boat on 2 tubes and as the boat move off a tube and onto the front two, we run the back tube up to the front. It takes about 4 of us to do it
Todd
andygere posted 09-04-2002 11:49 AM ET (US)
The outfit linked below makes a beach dolly for a 13 Whaler. http://www.seitech.com/ Having rolled my 13 down a beach using oars for rollers (low tide launch) I don't recommend the roller method. Using a simple 2-wheel balloon tire dolly, I could easily roll my Hobie 16 up and down a soft sand beach by myself. Go for the dolly (or build your own)and save your back and the bottom of your boat.
cjd posted 09-04-2002 01:27 PM ET (US)
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Might i suggest a semi permanent mooring just off the beach? In the event of really bad weather, pull it around to the cove. I have some ideas as to how to secure the line.
Short of a cedar island style trolly track (not a chance you coule sneak that one by) that is alot back breaking for you popinlaw.
What happened to the skiff?
chris
Tom W Clark posted 09-04-2002 01:38 PM ET (US)
jimithing,
That's going to be tough. If you do pull it up and down the beach get a dolly like Andy suggests or use inflatable boat rollers.
I have a set of inflatable rollers made by Metzler, the inflatable boat company (no longer in business under that name.) They can withstand tremendous loads and go over the barnacle covered cobble, gravel and sand beaches here in Puget Sound quite well. Much better than a rigid or semi-rigid roller. However, they are not cheap.
At any rate a 13’ whaler with motor is going to be very difficult to move regardless of how friction free a method of moving it you devise. A lot depends on the steepness of the beach but a vertical gain is a vertical gain and is going to require a lot of energy in one form or another.
What kind of beach are we talking about here? Lake, salt water, ocean, tidal range?
jimithing posted 09-04-2002 02:14 PM ET (US)
Tom
Its an all sand beach on the chesapeake bay....I agree with andy regarding the dolly.....but at $550 for one cjd's mooring suggestion may be the way to go.....sure would like to keep it out of the water and not have to paint the bottom. If I could put a large enough winch in the PVC piped would work famously since the grade is not that steep and the tides are not huge. Thanks all for the food for thought......
Capt_Tidy posted 09-04-2002 04:47 PM ET (US)
While in South Africa at Jeffery's Bay, I watched endless boats launch and land off the beach... everyone seem to bring down a cooler of beer and watch the local fishermen return through the surf. Most would trade beer/wine for fresh fish... Black Label beer (swill at best) for fresh line fish!
The coolest boat we saw was a whaler-like boat... maybe a 17-18 footer where the guy actually had a set of fat beach wheels that locked into plates with an axle insert that were glassed into the side of the hull below the waterline... the tires would give him maybe 6 inches of clearance. We watched him pull up, insert his four wheels... a small diameter trailer tire (they had some type of locking internal metal pin... like the end of a socket). The boat literally took a full speed run at the beach running it up on high and dry. The rest of the fleet did the same but without wheels... some got pretty high on the beach... nothing like hitting the beach at 30-40 mph and let the engine just take care of itself... a pretty wild show.... but Jeffery's Bay has a pretty wild surf.

The guy with wheels simply towed his boat down the road home (or to the local pub for more Black Label). The rest had to barter with the local bunch of fellows who would literally pick up the boat and put it on a trailer. Some used a tractor but it seem to always be stalled in the surf. And some of these boats were huge.
If you want to have fun, think doing a crazy thing like glassing/screwing on some plates with an internal pipe that would accept an whell on a short rod, rig up some internal pin thingy so the tires wouldn't fall off, and literally hit the beach. If you run a line from the head of the beach to a old engine block in the water, you could pull the boat up with a little windless. When it's fishing time... use the windless and pull the boat back down into the water.
It would look pretty cool and sound just wonderful when you hit the beach. Scatter those tourists!
Ian (no lack of imagination here)
Chap posted 09-04-2002 04:55 PM ET (US)
Hello,
Something to look at:
www.whitehallrow.com/hauler.html
Thanks
Chap
JohnAz posted 09-04-2002 05:02 PM ET (US)
Zodiac's use a set of wheels that attach to the transom these would work on a whaler if you found a way to put a wheel on the bow
Capt_Tidy posted 09-04-2002 05:02 PM ET (US)
http://bajaenterp7831.goemerchant6.com/boatwheels/page4.html
Another million dollar idea I missed out on...
jimithing posted 09-05-2002 10:13 AM ET (US)
All great suggestions....thanks
cjd posted 09-05-2002 12:46 PM ET (US)
Curious what you decided. I have a line on a C SKiff CHEAP, and might be looking at a similar situation.
chris
andygere posted 09-06-2002 11:35 AM ET (US)
Can you drive a jeep or 4x4 pickup on your beach? Many of the surf fisherman on the outer Cape have for years lauched right off the beach with tilt trailers. At the end of the day, boats are run up the beach and just dragged up the sand with the beach buggies. To relaunch, a carpet covered "pusher" welded to the buggy bumper is used to spin the boats around and shove them back in to the surf. At the end of the weekend, the boats are winched onto tilt or "breaking style" trailers and towed home. I once recovered my 13 off the beach this way after a motor failure and it worked like a charm. By the way, most of the boats I recall being lauched and landed this way were 16/17 Whalers.
jimithing posted 09-06-2002 09:39 PM ET (US)
ahhhhhhhhh CJD
We mock what we cannot understand.......

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Author	Topic: Storing of 13 on beach
jimithing	posted 09-04-2002 10:06 AM ET (US) Need some tips on the best way to store a 13 sport on a beach. It will be launched/retrieved by elbow grease and maybe a winch if I find the time to install it.Is this doable or is the boat just too heavy to slide on and off a beach? Anyone else out there done this? Planning on giving this boat to my father in law and it is really the only place that he can keep it. All comments welcome.Thanks.
Bigshot	posted 09-04-2002 11:32 AM ET (US) Use beach wheels or 2 big PVC pipes to roll it up and back. I use the PVC on my cement ramp, they work like big rollers. beach wheels are big wheels on a dolly, not very easy but better than anything else.
tlynch	posted 09-04-2002 11:33 AM ET (US) They make trailers for PWC that have 'sand wheels'. They are large plastic wheels that look a bit like tractor wheels. I have seen these pulled by an atv across the beach. You might be able to put a set of these wheels onto a 13' Whaler trailer. Bringing the boat down to the water would be no problem, pulling it back up would be difficult. High tide gives you a shorter distance to pull. We drag a hobie cat up the beach across PVC pipe. The boat slides across the pipe fairly easily. We have 3 tubes and keep the boat on 2 tubes and as the boat move off a tube and onto the front two, we run the back tube up to the front. It takes about 4 of us to do it Todd
andygere	posted 09-04-2002 11:49 AM ET (US) The outfit linked below makes a beach dolly for a 13 Whaler. http://www.seitech.com/ Having rolled my 13 down a beach using oars for rollers (low tide launch) I don't recommend the roller method. Using a simple 2-wheel balloon tire dolly, I could easily roll my Hobie 16 up and down a soft sand beach by myself. Go for the dolly (or build your own)and save your back and the bottom of your boat.
cjd	posted 09-04-2002 01:27 PM ET (US) c Might i suggest a semi permanent mooring just off the beach? In the event of really bad weather, pull it around to the cove. I have some ideas as to how to secure the line. Short of a cedar island style trolly track (not a chance you coule sneak that one by) that is alot back breaking for you popinlaw. What happened to the skiff? chris
Tom W Clark	posted 09-04-2002 01:38 PM ET (US) jimithing, That's going to be tough. If you do pull it up and down the beach get a dolly like Andy suggests or use inflatable boat rollers. I have a set of inflatable rollers made by Metzler, the inflatable boat company (no longer in business under that name.) They can withstand tremendous loads and go over the barnacle covered cobble, gravel and sand beaches here in Puget Sound quite well. Much better than a rigid or semi-rigid roller. However, they are not cheap. At any rate a 13’ whaler with motor is going to be very difficult to move regardless of how friction free a method of moving it you devise. A lot depends on the steepness of the beach but a vertical gain is a vertical gain and is going to require a lot of energy in one form or another. What kind of beach are we talking about here? Lake, salt water, ocean, tidal range?
jimithing	posted 09-04-2002 02:14 PM ET (US) Tom Its an all sand beach on the chesapeake bay....I agree with andy regarding the dolly.....but at $550 for one cjd's mooring suggestion may be the way to go.....sure would like to keep it out of the water and not have to paint the bottom. If I could put a large enough winch in the PVC piped would work famously since the grade is not that steep and the tides are not huge. Thanks all for the food for thought......
Capt_Tidy	posted 09-04-2002 04:47 PM ET (US) While in South Africa at Jeffery's Bay, I watched endless boats launch and land off the beach... everyone seem to bring down a cooler of beer and watch the local fishermen return through the surf. Most would trade beer/wine for fresh fish... Black Label beer (swill at best) for fresh line fish! The coolest boat we saw was a whaler-like boat... maybe a 17-18 footer where the guy actually had a set of fat beach wheels that locked into plates with an axle insert that were glassed into the side of the hull below the waterline... the tires would give him maybe 6 inches of clearance. We watched him pull up, insert his four wheels... a small diameter trailer tire (they had some type of locking internal metal pin... like the end of a socket). The boat literally took a full speed run at the beach running it up on high and dry. The rest of the fleet did the same but without wheels... some got pretty high on the beach... nothing like hitting the beach at 30-40 mph and let the engine just take care of itself... a pretty wild show.... but Jeffery's Bay has a pretty wild surf. The guy with wheels simply towed his boat down the road home (or to the local pub for more Black Label). The rest had to barter with the local bunch of fellows who would literally pick up the boat and put it on a trailer. Some used a tractor but it seem to always be stalled in the surf. And some of these boats were huge. If you want to have fun, think doing a crazy thing like glassing/screwing on some plates with an internal pipe that would accept an whell on a short rod, rig up some internal pin thingy so the tires wouldn't fall off, and literally hit the beach. If you run a line from the head of the beach to a old engine block in the water, you could pull the boat up with a little windless. When it's fishing time... use the windless and pull the boat back down into the water. It would look pretty cool and sound just wonderful when you hit the beach. Scatter those tourists! Ian (no lack of imagination here)
Chap	posted 09-04-2002 04:55 PM ET (US) Hello, Something to look at: www.whitehallrow.com/hauler.html Thanks Chap
JohnAz	posted 09-04-2002 05:02 PM ET (US) Zodiac's use a set of wheels that attach to the transom these would work on a whaler if you found a way to put a wheel on the bow
Capt_Tidy	posted 09-04-2002 05:02 PM ET (US) http://bajaenterp7831.goemerchant6.com/boatwheels/page4.html Another million dollar idea I missed out on...
jimithing	posted 09-05-2002 10:13 AM ET (US) All great suggestions....thanks
cjd	posted 09-05-2002 12:46 PM ET (US) Curious what you decided. I have a line on a C SKiff CHEAP, and might be looking at a similar situation. chris
andygere	posted 09-06-2002 11:35 AM ET (US) Can you drive a jeep or 4x4 pickup on your beach? Many of the surf fisherman on the outer Cape have for years lauched right off the beach with tilt trailers. At the end of the day, boats are run up the beach and just dragged up the sand with the beach buggies. To relaunch, a carpet covered "pusher" welded to the buggy bumper is used to spin the boats around and shove them back in to the surf. At the end of the weekend, the boats are winched onto tilt or "breaking style" trailers and towed home. I once recovered my 13 off the beach this way after a motor failure and it worked like a charm. By the way, most of the boats I recall being lauched and landed this way were 16/17 Whalers.
jimithing	posted 09-06-2002 09:39 PM ET (US) ahhhhhhhhh CJD We mock what we cannot understand.......