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newt posted 10-13-2002 09:57 PM ET (US)   Profile for newt   Send Email to newt  
The following is a clip from a post I came across on the Hulltruth:

"I had purchased a Boston Whaler because they advertised thier product as being "unsinkable". They had a brochure showing the front half of the boat, from the center console forword, cut off and completely filled with foam. This boat was in the water and was under power. However, when pulling a cleat off the port stern I found the hull to be hollow. Several years later when a maverick hot shot cut across my bow the turbulance from his wake caused an anchor that was on deck to put a hole in the bow hull. Guess What? The bow was also hollow! I found this extemely disturbing because in the Great Lakes you can go down quick, and since I usually fish alone, I bought this boat SPECIFICALY because it was completely foam filled. How do you protect yourself from this kind of fraud?"

Any Comments?

11 footer posted 10-13-2002 10:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for 11 footer  Send Email to 11 footer     
Wow that is kind of scairy.I can't see whaler pulling somethink like that.
The only thing I can think of is he is not the first owner and the person that had the boat before him but a whaler sticker on the boat and screwed him. I would really like to here what every one has to say about this one.

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kingfish posted 10-13-2002 10:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Sounds like a fabrication, a misapprehension, a troll or some combination of the three to me.
JBCornwell posted 10-13-2002 10:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
I agree with Kingfish.

Red sky at night. . .
JB

Whaler Proud posted 10-14-2002 10:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whaler Proud  Send Email to Whaler Proud     
Agreed. Even if the bean counters wanted to reduce the amount of foam, the lawyers would scream like hell.

Is it possible that this is one boat out of thousands that did not have a completely filled hull? I'll leave the odds breakdown on that to fellow members who do statistics.

Draftmanswife posted 10-14-2002 11:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for Draftmanswife  Send Email to Draftmanswife     
First, what year is the boat? And further more, are you SURE it's a Whaler? Look at the hull #'s and be sure they begin with "BW". If not, you got screwed. If so, I would give Whaler a call, and do some research on previous owners. Maybe the boat has been wrecked, and not properly fixed. But before blasting Whaler, I'd do alittle more digging. Regards,
Janis
Whaler Proud posted 10-14-2002 12:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whaler Proud  Send Email to Whaler Proud     
I don't think newt owns this boat.
WantaWhale posted 10-14-2002 01:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for WantaWhale  Send Email to WantaWhale     
Take a look at the complete message:
"
Quality

Waterbug

I wish I had a scanner. Since I don't I will reproduce for you the flier I recieved from
Lands End Yacht Sales in Harrison TWP, Mi.

Dear Valued Customer,

Effective 2001 Model Year, Lands End will no longer represent Boston Whaler
Boats.

This decision was made as a result of Brunswicks' acquisition of this once fine
company. Factors in this decision were subsequent changes made under the
management of SeaRay Boats, resulting in Mercury being the only power available
(owned by Brunswick) and SEVERE boat QUALITY issues that are more typical of
SeaRay.

At Lands End we have always taken pride in offering Top Quality products, such
as, PURSUIT and GRADY-WHITE. We also believe customers should have a
choice in engine selection.

Boston Whalers's future and direction may be uncertain, but not Lands' End. For
fifteen Years we have chosen to represent the BEST products, Period!

Thank You

Lands End Sales

Cudos' to Lands End for having the courage to come forward and stand so
strongly for thier convictions.

This flier had come as no shock to me. I had purchased a Boston Whaler because
they advertised thier product as being "unsinkable". They had a brochure showing
the front half of the boat, from the center console forword, cut off and completely
filled with foam. This boat was in the water and was under power. However, when
pulling a cleat off the port stern I found the hull to be hollow. Several years later
when a maverick hot shot cut across my bow the turbulance from his wake caused
an anchor that was on deck to put a hole in the bow hull. Guess What? The bow
was also hollow! I found this extemely disturbing because in the Great Lakes you
can go down quick, and since I usually fish alone, I bought this boat
SPECIFICALY because it was completely foam filled. How do you protect yourself
from this kind of fraud?

Good luck Waterbug. "

kingfish posted 10-14-2002 03:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
WantaWhale-

You didn't indicate your reasons for publishing the entire message, but nothing I see in the rest of it causes me to change anything in my earlier post-

kingfish

lhg posted 10-14-2002 04:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
It sounds to me like the "Hull Truth" should be called the "Half Truth" from this and other Whaler related messages I've seen over there.

First of all, the guy doesn't indicate the year of his Whaler, but assuming his post is somewhat legitimate, he must be referring to a Post Classic, since his reference to the cut hull picture was of a 16 Dauntless.

What he doesn't know is that the bigger Whalers are all using a THIRD inner liner shell, which makes Whalers heavier and cheaper to build with the necessary "creature comforts" they want to add nowadays. Cleats are often attached to these liner shells, with aluminum plates behind, and the bow areas are all done this way. So his post refers to making holes, etc in the inner shell, and there correctly is no foam under it. The Whaler foamed hulls on these newer models are almost completely invisible from the interior of the boats, and the foam hull inner shell is greatly simplified for cost savings, but it is there.

I get a kick out of the Lands End reponse to lossing their Whaler contract. Grady a superior boat? Ever looked at their sand paint finished gunwales? This feature is about as cheap as you can get in boat constuction. Why they can't spend a few more bucks for non-skid gunwales is beyond me.

Whaler Proud posted 10-14-2002 04:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whaler Proud  Send Email to Whaler Proud     
Can't seem to find Lands End Yacht Sales:

[Hyperlink]

Seems to be somebody trolling out there. [The search failed to find the business because the name was spelled wrong. It is "Land's End" with an apostrophe. You can locate them with this link if you wish: Land's End

kingfish posted 10-14-2002 05:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Uh, oh -

Whaler Proud, you typed in a url that was too long (longer than a single line in the message box) and it caused the UBB software to burp and stretch the whole thread out wider than our monitor screens.

JimH will have to tweak this when he gets back.

Swellmonster posted 10-14-2002 05:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Swellmonster  Send Email to Swellmonster     
Back in August I toured the Whaler factor and Jim Bennett showed me the whaler board that is used for backing for the cleats.
It was this hard brown/black plastic stuff.
When the boats are assembled, they pour the expanding foam in approximately the center. It is then capped off and it spreads throughout the entire boat w/relief ports everywhere indicating foam has reached those points.
Whaler Proud posted 10-14-2002 05:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whaler Proud  Send Email to Whaler Proud     
I'm due for a slap. I'll go over to the "How To" section and figure out how to do this properly. :>)
keltonkrew posted 10-14-2002 05:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for keltonkrew  Send Email to keltonkrew     
long url worked for me. screwed up my reply button, but that's another subject.

I went to www.switchboard.com did a search for Lands End Yacht Club. Only one came up was in California

keltonkrew posted 10-14-2002 05:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for keltonkrew  Send Email to keltonkrew     
long url worked for me. screwed up my reply button, but that's another subject.

I went to http://www.switchboard.com did a search for Lands End Yacht Club. Only one came up was in California

scarlson posted 10-14-2002 06:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for scarlson    
Wanted to post my two cents worth. Could it be this poor person purchased a previously water logged Whaler where someone removed the water logged foam and failed to replace it as recommened on numerous posts at this site. This would account for absence of foam, answer the question is it a Whaler. The origonal message was not posted on this forum, and I failed to locate it in the referenced site. I've had my leg jerked once or twice over the 53 years I have been around, is someone jerking our collective legs?
11 footer posted 10-14-2002 08:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for 11 footer  Send Email to 11 footer     
Althow I did not think of that.
newt seem's like a stand up guy. I doin't
think he would make something like this up.

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djahncke posted 10-14-2002 08:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for djahncke  Send Email to djahncke     
Lands End is located on the Clinton River in the northern part of Lake St. Clair, Anchor Bay to be precise. My 1995 Dauntless 17 came from them. They are an OMC dealer and as such were pushed out by Brunswick. The same happened to Indian River Marina in northern Michigan.
John Bocskay posted 10-24-2002 10:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for John Bocskay  Send Email to John Bocskay     
I would think that if this was my boat, the first people I would talk to would be the Boston Whaler people in Edgewater.
(Sure it wasn't a McKee Craft?)
jimh posted 10-24-2002 11:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The whole concept of this thread is humorous.

It hardly matters a wit what other, unknown people post on other forums regarding their Boston Whaler experience.

If they knew much about Boston Whalers and internet discussions, they'd be posting their story here, instead!

Next, I really find it tedious to conduct this analysis of what someone else said on some other forum. If the author wishes to come here and say it, then let him. It seems hopelessly unlikely to resolve anything to discuss what is being said elsewhere.

As for Land's End Yacht sales, they are a very well-known dealership on Lake St. Clair. They are no longer a Whaler dealer, probably in part due to the presence of COLONY MARINE, a giant Sea Ray dealership, which became a Whaler dealer as well a few years ago, coincident with the Brunswick/Mercury/SeaRay alliance. By the way, about 90% of the boats on Lake St. Clair are SeaRays, thousands of them. Colony has so much pull with SeaRay that they recently got the other big SeaRay dealer to drop the line and pick up another one (Maxum?)instead, making Colony the exclusive source for SeaRays for many, many miles. Several other Whaler dealers also were dropped about this same time.

As LHG points out, a dealer who has just lost a premium boat line is likely to have some spin to put on the story to explain to his customers why they can't buy that boat from him anymore.

newt posted 10-25-2002 07:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
I do not regret starting this thread. I (and maybe others) learned something new about whalers from lgh's post which explains how some larger models actually have a third liner, so it is possible to cut into fiberglass and not find foam.
jimh posted 10-25-2002 09:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Yes, newt, it is truly amazing that you can learn about Whalers from the many experienced owners who participate in this forum.

It is also quite amazing what you can learn about Whalers from other "sources".

Again, this whole concept is laughable. Whaler has been advertising their boats as foam filled and unsinkable since 1959. Now, 43-years later, do you actually expect me to give any credibility to an uncited reference to an on-line comment made by some unknown person that asserts this 43-year advertising campaign has been a complete falsehood and a fraud?

If someone would like to come to this forum and make those assertions, we could have a lively discussion and examination of what he has to say.

That someone makes silly statements about Whalers like that on other forums does not come as surprise, but I do not find it necessary to devote this forum to reviews of what other people say on other forums.

newt posted 10-25-2002 10:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
Well, we all need something to laugh about. I am now laughing about the direction this thread has taken.

A forum member comes across an interesting claim about Boston Whalers on another forum, and then starts a thread on this forum.

A response is provided by one of the many experienced owners who participate in this forum that explains how this 'silly' and 'laughable' claim is probably true!

10 days later, the thread is brought back to the top, and begins to degenerate.

Is it too late to say,

NO COMMENT!

jimh posted 10-26-2002 12:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[Fixed long URI which causes text wrapping problems for some browsers--jimh.]

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