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Montauk posted 10-14-2002 05:49 PM ET (US)
Is a 1973 Cohasset any more valuable because it was only named that for one year? It has the same console as the 1974, a front casting deck and a teak rear seat.
Montauk posted 10-15-2002 08:34 AM ET (US)
Does anyone on this forum own a 1973 BW Cohasset? Even though this is the same boat as the Montauk is it considered a rare model?
Tom W Clark posted 10-15-2002 10:54 AM ET (US)
Montauk,
A Cohasset is not the same as a Montauk. The Cohasset has a completely different console design and may or may not have a different seat.
There are actually two different Cohasset models, The Cohasset I and the Cohasset II. The Cohasset I had but a single pedestal seat whereas the Cohasset II had the Reversible Pilot Seat that the Montauk had.
The Cohasset was made for more than one year. It was made for three years, 1971, 1972 and 1973. It was superseded by the introduction of the Montauk in 1974 with its new single piece fiberglass console design.
There are at least three FORUM members that have the Cohasset model. Use the site's search engine to sniff out the pertinent threads.
Montauk posted 10-15-2002 09:13 PM ET (US)
Tom,
Thanks for the reply. After searching I found conflicting articles on how long the Cohasset was made and after searching further found the info you reported. I finally remembered that I had the original bill of sale on this boat. It states that it is a Montauk II, which I also found through a search. Unfortunatly it does not state what a Montauk II is comprised of.
Tom W Clark posted 10-15-2002 11:32 PM ET (US)
Montauk,
I have seen no reference to a "Montauk II" in any of the literature I have read including the 1974 and 1975 Whaler catalogs and the 1975 parts and specifications catalog. However, I think it is safe to assume it refers to a Montauk with the addition of the optional bow platform.
The 1974 catalog introduces the Montauk model and describes the "basic" configuration and then goes on the say the bow platform and bow rail can be added.
The 1975 specifications catalog indicates the bow rail is standard equipment on the Montauk (and it has remained so ever since.)
Montauk posted 10-16-2002 10:12 AM ET (US)
Tom,
Here is the only reference I have found on this site to a Montauk II, http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/specifications.html#hulls9-17
I know it is commonly believed that the Montauk came out in 1974 but my boat is clearly marked in the serial number as 1973.
The front casting deck is different than any other I have seen. The deck is a combination of fiberglass and teak, with a fish box or storage on each side and a removable teak hatch in the middle. The console is the same as a 1974 Montauk console and the boat also has the high bow rails. The back seat is made of teak and is very heavy
Tom W Clark posted 10-16-2002 11:07 AM ET (US)
Montauk,
I think you may be confusing model year with year of production. The dates in the Reference Section are dates of manufacture and not model years.
When you say "serial number" do you mean hull identification number (HIN) which is something different? Unless your HIN ends in "73M" your boat is most likely a 1974 model, though it may well have been built in 1973.
Now having said all that it's not impossible that the Montauk was introduced as a mid year change in early 1973. The thing to do would be to contact Chuck Bennett at Whaler with your serial number (stenciled number, not the HIN) and he can tell you exactly when your boat was built and may be able to tell you how it was equipped.
What do you mean by "back seat"? When you say "back seat" do you mean "seat back"? If you did have a seat made of solid teak I imagine it would be heavy!
The bow platform you describe was very common on the Montauks in the 1970's. It is displayed on the Montauks in all the catalogs up until 1979. It continued to be an option but was much more rare on Montauks from the 1980's. I believe there are a few photos of it in the Cetacea Section and more than a few threads talking about it.
Montauk posted 10-16-2002 12:39 PM ET (US)
Tom,
The HIN ends in 73, but no M, Serial no. is 3A7435. The seat I am referring to is the optional backseat that goes ahead of the motor and across the boat. It is 5/4 teak, both the back and the base! I have a call into Chuck and am waiting for a reply.
Tom W Clark posted 10-16-2002 01:30 PM ET (US)
Montauk,
OK, your HIN is of the straight year format and tells you the month and year the boat was built. The 73 indicates the boat was built in 1973. The two numbers preceding it will tell what month it was (e.g. 08 = August) For more on HIN numbers and what they mean see: http://www.sailingbreezes.com/Sailing_Breezes_Current/Articles/Feb00/hull_identification.htm
This HIN does not tell us the model year but by the same token it does not necessarily mean the boat is not a 1973 model, it just indicates when the boat was actually built.
The stern seat sounds interesting. Do you think it is a Whaler part? Is it like the rear seat in the Eastport? Might it have been added later? This is really good information you are providing and will help us fill in some of the blanks in the reference section. Do you have any digital photos of it?
JFM posted 10-16-2002 02:31 PM ET (US)
Montauk,
I think it could be valued somewhere between a Montauk and a Nauset.
If it's museum quality let me know, I might have a buyer.
Regards, Jay
Montauk posted 10-16-2002 04:03 PM ET (US)
Tom,
The last four numbers are 0573 indicating the boat was made in May of 1973. I need to look at the bill of sale again to see when it was bought by the original owner. being built in May should solidly place the boat as a 1973. I can take some pics of the seat but it will not be in the boat, it is to heavy to lift in by myself. I looked at all 64 pages of the photo log and did not see a picture of an Eastport seat or one like I have. I am confident that the boat came with the seat from the factory as it has the side rails of teak that hold the seat in. The boat also came with the forward shelter and a piece that snaps to it and ties over the console.
JFM, It is not museum quality but is in good condition. I have added a Minnkota bow mounted trolling motor and a hydraulic jackplate. I am into the whaler as a functional multi-purpose fishing boat. It has seen saltwater for about 3 separate weeks of use and the rest is freshwater use. I don't think I am interested in selling as much as finding out what the boat really is.
Tom W Clark posted 10-16-2002 10:08 PM ET (US)
Mark,
Thanks for the photo of your bow platform. Yup, that's the platform Whaler sold all through the 1970's.
I agree that based on the HIN, your boat was built in May of 1973 and it probably is a 1973 model, but sometimes Whaler designated a boat's model year with the year to come even on boats built this early, especially for a new model. It�s pretty academic at any rate. Chuck Bennett will answer this question.
It looks like you must have one of the very first Montauks and a very clean one at that!
There is a photo of an Eastport model (and its stern seat) in the Reference Section for the different models of the 16/17 hulls: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/16-17/models.html Is this like the seat you have?
After reviewing that page I am reminded of a few errors that need to get straightened out including the Cohasset/Montauk confusion. This thread will help jimh out.
Tom W Clark posted 10-16-2002 10:22 PM ET (US)
Mark,
Here is an additional bit of information. I just looked at the Specifications and Accessories catalog for 1975 and it lists a mahogany stern seat as an option on all the 16' hulls excluding the Newport and Bass Boat models. List price: $140 (or about $500 in today's dollars)
Are you sure your seat is teak and not mahogany?
Montauk posted 10-17-2002 07:03 AM ET (US)
Tom,
Thanks for the link to the Eastport picture. It is hard to make out the seat but I will send you a picture on Fri. when I get back to work. When I clean the seat with teak cleaner it sure looks like teak, however I could sand it and smell the dust to be sure. I thought it was teak because of the weight and it seems to have open grain like teak. Thanks for the help, I will get back to you Friday.
Bigshot posted 10-17-2002 10:18 AM ET (US)
I bet it is mahogany.
Do you have the fiberglass deck or is it wood?
Montauk posted 10-17-2002 04:46 PM ET (US)
Bigshot,
The platform is fiberglass with teak hatchcovers.
Montauk posted 10-17-2002 08:27 PM ET (US)
Here is the update on the Montauk II saga. I dug out the bill of sale to the original owner, boat was bought at Hedlund Marine in Wilmette, IL and it reads as follows:
Boston Whaler 1973 Montauk II
Mercury 1973 85hp
Little dude trailer 1973 1762H
options:
2-12 gal. tanks
Airguide tach and speedometer
Compass
Power trim
Mooring cover
bilge pump
Tom W Clark posted 10-18-2002 12:16 PM ET (US)
Mark,
Thanks for the photo of your stern seat. I'll bet it is original too, though it could be a dealer installed accessory installed after soon after the boat was sold.
My guess is that the Montauk II included a package of options consisting of the bow platform and the stern bench.
This would be consistent with Whalers designations of the of the early 1970's Outrage I, II and III, which differed only in how they were equipped as well as the 1971 Cohasset I and II which differed only in the seating.
But remember that the "full width stern seat (mahogany)" was an option on all the 16's and could simply be bought from a Whaler dealer and installed by the owner or the dealer just like a whole list of other optional pieces of equipment.
At any rate it sounds like your boat is original and from 1973. I note one other oddity in the photo you sent me. The bow locker cover appears not to be made of wood, but rather fiberglass as it was on the Cohasset model. Is it fiberglass or painted wood?
Montauk posted 10-18-2002 02:26 PM ET (US)
Tom,
The anchor locker cover is fiberglass, looks like it was made in two molds and then bonded together, in other words, gelcoat finsh on both sides. I have access to a 1974 Montauk that has the same fiberglas cover. Have not heard back from Chuck yet, perhaps I will email him.

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Author	Topic: Cohasset value
Montauk	posted 10-14-2002 05:49 PM ET (US) Is a 1973 Cohasset any more valuable because it was only named that for one year? It has the same console as the 1974, a front casting deck and a teak rear seat.
Montauk	posted 10-15-2002 08:34 AM ET (US) Does anyone on this forum own a 1973 BW Cohasset? Even though this is the same boat as the Montauk is it considered a rare model?
Tom W Clark	posted 10-15-2002 10:54 AM ET (US) Montauk, A Cohasset is not the same as a Montauk. The Cohasset has a completely different console design and may or may not have a different seat. There are actually two different Cohasset models, The Cohasset I and the Cohasset II. The Cohasset I had but a single pedestal seat whereas the Cohasset II had the Reversible Pilot Seat that the Montauk had. The Cohasset was made for more than one year. It was made for three years, 1971, 1972 and 1973. It was superseded by the introduction of the Montauk in 1974 with its new single piece fiberglass console design. There are at least three FORUM members that have the Cohasset model. Use the site's search engine to sniff out the pertinent threads.
Montauk	posted 10-15-2002 09:13 PM ET (US) Tom, Thanks for the reply. After searching I found conflicting articles on how long the Cohasset was made and after searching further found the info you reported. I finally remembered that I had the original bill of sale on this boat. It states that it is a Montauk II, which I also found through a search. Unfortunatly it does not state what a Montauk II is comprised of.
Tom W Clark	posted 10-15-2002 11:32 PM ET (US) Montauk, I have seen no reference to a "Montauk II" in any of the literature I have read including the 1974 and 1975 Whaler catalogs and the 1975 parts and specifications catalog. However, I think it is safe to assume it refers to a Montauk with the addition of the optional bow platform. The 1974 catalog introduces the Montauk model and describes the "basic" configuration and then goes on the say the bow platform and bow rail can be added. The 1975 specifications catalog indicates the bow rail is standard equipment on the Montauk (and it has remained so ever since.)
Montauk	posted 10-16-2002 10:12 AM ET (US) Tom, Here is the only reference I have found on this site to a Montauk II, http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/specifications.html#hulls9-17 I know it is commonly believed that the Montauk came out in 1974 but my boat is clearly marked in the serial number as 1973. The front casting deck is different than any other I have seen. The deck is a combination of fiberglass and teak, with a fish box or storage on each side and a removable teak hatch in the middle. The console is the same as a 1974 Montauk console and the boat also has the high bow rails. The back seat is made of teak and is very heavy
Tom W Clark	posted 10-16-2002 11:07 AM ET (US) Montauk, I think you may be confusing model year with year of production. The dates in the Reference Section are dates of manufacture and not model years. When you say "serial number" do you mean hull identification number (HIN) which is something different? Unless your HIN ends in "73M" your boat is most likely a 1974 model, though it may well have been built in 1973. Now having said all that it's not impossible that the Montauk was introduced as a mid year change in early 1973. The thing to do would be to contact Chuck Bennett at Whaler with your serial number (stenciled number, not the HIN) and he can tell you exactly when your boat was built and may be able to tell you how it was equipped. What do you mean by "back seat"? When you say "back seat" do you mean "seat back"? If you did have a seat made of solid teak I imagine it would be heavy! The bow platform you describe was very common on the Montauks in the 1970's. It is displayed on the Montauks in all the catalogs up until 1979. It continued to be an option but was much more rare on Montauks from the 1980's. I believe there are a few photos of it in the Cetacea Section and more than a few threads talking about it.
Montauk	posted 10-16-2002 12:39 PM ET (US) Tom, The HIN ends in 73, but no M, Serial no. is 3A7435. The seat I am referring to is the optional backseat that goes ahead of the motor and across the boat. It is 5/4 teak, both the back and the base! I have a call into Chuck and am waiting for a reply.
Tom W Clark	posted 10-16-2002 01:30 PM ET (US) Montauk, OK, your HIN is of the straight year format and tells you the month and year the boat was built. The 73 indicates the boat was built in 1973. The two numbers preceding it will tell what month it was (e.g. 08 = August) For more on HIN numbers and what they mean see: http://www.sailingbreezes.com/Sailing_Breezes_Current/Articles/Feb00/hull_identification.htm This HIN does not tell us the model year but by the same token it does not necessarily mean the boat is not a 1973 model, it just indicates when the boat was actually built. The stern seat sounds interesting. Do you think it is a Whaler part? Is it like the rear seat in the Eastport? Might it have been added later? This is really good information you are providing and will help us fill in some of the blanks in the reference section. Do you have any digital photos of it?
JFM	posted 10-16-2002 02:31 PM ET (US) Montauk, I think it could be valued somewhere between a Montauk and a Nauset. If it's museum quality let me know, I might have a buyer. Regards, Jay
Montauk	posted 10-16-2002 04:03 PM ET (US) Tom, The last four numbers are 0573 indicating the boat was made in May of 1973. I need to look at the bill of sale again to see when it was bought by the original owner. being built in May should solidly place the boat as a 1973. I can take some pics of the seat but it will not be in the boat, it is to heavy to lift in by myself. I looked at all 64 pages of the photo log and did not see a picture of an Eastport seat or one like I have. I am confident that the boat came with the seat from the factory as it has the side rails of teak that hold the seat in. The boat also came with the forward shelter and a piece that snaps to it and ties over the console. JFM, It is not museum quality but is in good condition. I have added a Minnkota bow mounted trolling motor and a hydraulic jackplate. I am into the whaler as a functional multi-purpose fishing boat. It has seen saltwater for about 3 separate weeks of use and the rest is freshwater use. I don't think I am interested in selling as much as finding out what the boat really is.
Tom W Clark	posted 10-16-2002 10:08 PM ET (US) Mark, Thanks for the photo of your bow platform. Yup, that's the platform Whaler sold all through the 1970's. I agree that based on the HIN, your boat was built in May of 1973 and it probably is a 1973 model, but sometimes Whaler designated a boat's model year with the year to come even on boats built this early, especially for a new model. It�s pretty academic at any rate. Chuck Bennett will answer this question. It looks like you must have one of the very first Montauks and a very clean one at that! There is a photo of an Eastport model (and its stern seat) in the Reference Section for the different models of the 16/17 hulls: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/16-17/models.html Is this like the seat you have? After reviewing that page I am reminded of a few errors that need to get straightened out including the Cohasset/Montauk confusion. This thread will help jimh out.
Tom W Clark	posted 10-16-2002 10:22 PM ET (US) Mark, Here is an additional bit of information. I just looked at the Specifications and Accessories catalog for 1975 and it lists a mahogany stern seat as an option on all the 16' hulls excluding the Newport and Bass Boat models. List price: $140 (or about $500 in today's dollars) Are you sure your seat is teak and not mahogany?
Montauk	posted 10-17-2002 07:03 AM ET (US) Tom, Thanks for the link to the Eastport picture. It is hard to make out the seat but I will send you a picture on Fri. when I get back to work. When I clean the seat with teak cleaner it sure looks like teak, however I could sand it and smell the dust to be sure. I thought it was teak because of the weight and it seems to have open grain like teak. Thanks for the help, I will get back to you Friday.
Bigshot	posted 10-17-2002 10:18 AM ET (US) I bet it is mahogany. Do you have the fiberglass deck or is it wood?
Montauk	posted 10-17-2002 04:46 PM ET (US) Bigshot, The platform is fiberglass with teak hatchcovers.
Montauk	posted 10-17-2002 08:27 PM ET (US) Here is the update on the Montauk II saga. I dug out the bill of sale to the original owner, boat was bought at Hedlund Marine in Wilmette, IL and it reads as follows: Boston Whaler 1973 Montauk II Mercury 1973 85hp Little dude trailer 1973 1762H options: 2-12 gal. tanks Airguide tach and speedometer Compass Power trim Mooring cover bilge pump
Tom W Clark	posted 10-18-2002 12:16 PM ET (US) Mark, Thanks for the photo of your stern seat. I'll bet it is original too, though it could be a dealer installed accessory installed after soon after the boat was sold. My guess is that the Montauk II included a package of options consisting of the bow platform and the stern bench. This would be consistent with Whalers designations of the of the early 1970's Outrage I, II and III, which differed only in how they were equipped as well as the 1971 Cohasset I and II which differed only in the seating. But remember that the "full width stern seat (mahogany)" was an option on all the 16's and could simply be bought from a Whaler dealer and installed by the owner or the dealer just like a whole list of other optional pieces of equipment. At any rate it sounds like your boat is original and from 1973. I note one other oddity in the photo you sent me. The bow locker cover appears not to be made of wood, but rather fiberglass as it was on the Cohasset model. Is it fiberglass or painted wood?
Montauk	posted 10-18-2002 02:26 PM ET (US) Tom, The anchor locker cover is fiberglass, looks like it was made in two molds and then bonded together, in other words, gelcoat finsh on both sides. I have access to a 1974 Montauk that has the same fiberglas cover. Have not heard back from Chuck yet, perhaps I will email him.