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Bertramp posted 12-09-2002 06:06 PM ET (US)
What is the trailer capacity that most folks use for a 17 montauk. I'm considering an upgrade from my 15 to a 17 and wordering if my 1200lb capacity trailer from the 15 will work for the 17.
Tom W Clark posted 12-09-2002 06:16 PM ET (US)
Bertramp,
1200 lbs is not going to be big enough capacity. A Montauk weighs 900 - 950 pounds, a V-4 outboard something like 300 pounds, them you might have 24 gallons of fuel on board which would add about 200 pounds, a group 24 battery weighs 45 pounds and then you begin to add accessories and gear.
It seems unlikely the boat is going to weigh less than 1500 pounds and could weigh a couple hundred more, especially with a kicker and/or dual batteries.
A trailer in the 1600 to 2000 pound capacity range would be better.
Back in the 1960’s when the 16 footer and the outboards of the day were both lighter, Whaler recommended a trailer with a capacity of 1200 - 1600 pounds and advised against using either over or under rated trailers.
Dick posted 12-09-2002 06:54 PM ET (US)
The trailer under my Montauk is a Shorelander 2400#, that's a little overkill but I would rather have a little extra capacity. Couldn't have turned it down for the price anyway.
JBCornwell posted 12-09-2002 07:30 PM ET (US)
Sunshine III sits on a 2,000lb Magic Tilt that has hauled her over 5,000 miles when loaded with camping/fishing gear.
Red sky at night. . .
JB
triblet posted 12-09-2002 07:57 PM ET (US)
I've got what's probably the same 2400 pound
Shoreland'r that Dick has. It's got probably
30K miles on it now.
Note that trailer capacities are GROSS
(trailer + boat + motor + gear + rainwater
+ gas + battery + ...) not net.

Chuck
Bertramp posted 12-09-2002 08:48 PM ET (US)
thanks guys ..... looks like I'll be in the market for a trailer.
thanks again !
Tom W Clark posted 12-09-2002 09:25 PM ET (US)
Chuck,
That's not altogether accurate. While all trailers (and cars and trucks) have a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR), the trailer manufacturers generally name their models based on carrying capacity. Thus a model 2400 trailer would have a carrying capacity of 2400 pounds but a GVWR of 2400 + the weight of the trailer itself.
In the case of ShoreLand'r trailers, they are sized by carrying capacity. A manufacturer who uses the GVWR to name their models is being a bit deceptive since we generally want to figure out what trailer to buy in order to carry a given load, e.g the gross weight of our boats in this case.
Dick posted 12-09-2002 09:53 PM ET (US)
Tom
You are correct there. My Shorelander is rated as carrying capacity. I know that E-Z Loader also rates their trailers this way, if I remember correctly Caulkins did as well and Carnai has done the same don't know about any of the others.
If you have a 2400# gross trailer and the trailer weighs 600# you are down to 1800# capacity. You need to read the fine print.
Dick
PSW posted 12-09-2002 11:18 PM ET (US)
Bertramp, when I purchased my latest Montauk one of the first things I did was strip the boat down as far as I could and go have it weighed at a weigh station. Trailer is a EZ Loader and weighs 508 pounds. With 13-15 gallons gas, group 24 battery and like 15 pounds accessories along with 115 Merc I-4 the whole combo including trailer weighed 1906 pounds. Go with with 2000 pounds carry capacity (not including trailer weight). Be sure of bunks also.
PSW
weekendwarrior posted 12-10-2002 01:14 PM ET (US)
I'm not sure if this is a safe way to go, but I just rebuilt my old trailer which I'm guessing was a 1500# trailer (it came with a 15' Hobie Power Skiff, 600# hull) and I used a 2500# axel and 980#/ea rated springs. The other hardware (bunks, brackets, bolts, etc..) has all been replaced with new stuff of unknown capacity (beefier than the original, seemed to be one size fits all at the trailer place). The only thing that changed for me was the hull which is about 350# heavier than my old hull so my best guess is that this is a reasonably safe change. Maybe a similar update would work for you? A new trailer was at least $1100 and upgrading this one was about $250 (axel, springs, hubs, nuts+bolts, fenders) so that ended up being the bottom line since the economy is so crappy.
Mullet posted 12-10-2002 01:53 PM ET (US)
JB made a good point. I can't think of a better untility trailer than a boat. In my case I can't just think of the boat and motor. I have to include the coolers, bicycles, suitcases, etc.

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Author	Topic: trailer capacity for a 17 montauk
Bertramp	posted 12-09-2002 06:06 PM ET (US) What is the trailer capacity that most folks use for a 17 montauk. I'm considering an upgrade from my 15 to a 17 and wordering if my 1200lb capacity trailer from the 15 will work for the 17.
Tom W Clark	posted 12-09-2002 06:16 PM ET (US) Bertramp, 1200 lbs is not going to be big enough capacity. A Montauk weighs 900 - 950 pounds, a V-4 outboard something like 300 pounds, them you might have 24 gallons of fuel on board which would add about 200 pounds, a group 24 battery weighs 45 pounds and then you begin to add accessories and gear. It seems unlikely the boat is going to weigh less than 1500 pounds and could weigh a couple hundred more, especially with a kicker and/or dual batteries. A trailer in the 1600 to 2000 pound capacity range would be better. Back in the 1960’s when the 16 footer and the outboards of the day were both lighter, Whaler recommended a trailer with a capacity of 1200 - 1600 pounds and advised against using either over or under rated trailers.
Dick	posted 12-09-2002 06:54 PM ET (US) The trailer under my Montauk is a Shorelander 2400#, that's a little overkill but I would rather have a little extra capacity. Couldn't have turned it down for the price anyway.
JBCornwell	posted 12-09-2002 07:30 PM ET (US) Sunshine III sits on a 2,000lb Magic Tilt that has hauled her over 5,000 miles when loaded with camping/fishing gear. Red sky at night. . . JB
triblet	posted 12-09-2002 07:57 PM ET (US) I've got what's probably the same 2400 pound Shoreland'r that Dick has. It's got probably 30K miles on it now. Note that trailer capacities are GROSS (trailer + boat + motor + gear + rainwater + gas + battery + ...) not net. Chuck
Bertramp	posted 12-09-2002 08:48 PM ET (US) thanks guys ..... looks like I'll be in the market for a trailer. thanks again !
Tom W Clark	posted 12-09-2002 09:25 PM ET (US) Chuck, That's not altogether accurate. While all trailers (and cars and trucks) have a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR), the trailer manufacturers generally name their models based on carrying capacity. Thus a model 2400 trailer would have a carrying capacity of 2400 pounds but a GVWR of 2400 + the weight of the trailer itself. In the case of ShoreLand'r trailers, they are sized by carrying capacity. A manufacturer who uses the GVWR to name their models is being a bit deceptive since we generally want to figure out what trailer to buy in order to carry a given load, e.g the gross weight of our boats in this case.
Dick	posted 12-09-2002 09:53 PM ET (US) Tom You are correct there. My Shorelander is rated as carrying capacity. I know that E-Z Loader also rates their trailers this way, if I remember correctly Caulkins did as well and Carnai has done the same don't know about any of the others. If you have a 2400# gross trailer and the trailer weighs 600# you are down to 1800# capacity. You need to read the fine print. Dick
PSW	posted 12-09-2002 11:18 PM ET (US) Bertramp, when I purchased my latest Montauk one of the first things I did was strip the boat down as far as I could and go have it weighed at a weigh station. Trailer is a EZ Loader and weighs 508 pounds. With 13-15 gallons gas, group 24 battery and like 15 pounds accessories along with 115 Merc I-4 the whole combo including trailer weighed 1906 pounds. Go with with 2000 pounds carry capacity (not including trailer weight). Be sure of bunks also. PSW
weekendwarrior	posted 12-10-2002 01:14 PM ET (US) I'm not sure if this is a safe way to go, but I just rebuilt my old trailer which I'm guessing was a 1500# trailer (it came with a 15' Hobie Power Skiff, 600# hull) and I used a 2500# axel and 980#/ea rated springs. The other hardware (bunks, brackets, bolts, etc..) has all been replaced with new stuff of unknown capacity (beefier than the original, seemed to be one size fits all at the trailer place). The only thing that changed for me was the hull which is about 350# heavier than my old hull so my best guess is that this is a reasonably safe change. Maybe a similar update would work for you? A new trailer was at least $1100 and upgrading this one was about $250 (axel, springs, hubs, nuts+bolts, fenders) so that ended up being the bottom line since the economy is so crappy.
Mullet	posted 12-10-2002 01:53 PM ET (US) JB made a good point. I can't think of a better untility trailer than a boat. In my case I can't just think of the boat and motor. I have to include the coolers, bicycles, suitcases, etc.