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JimU posted 01-23-2003 03:07 PM ET (US)
The general forum contains a link to an intreesting video of a boat battling surf. I'm interested in proper seamanship procedures for boat handling in rough condidtions. I nave chapmans and a video of boat handling tips that contains a few tips on handling rough seas. Is there any good video material, e.g., the equivalent of military training films, on powerboat handling and seamanship under rough conditions? thanks Jim.
roofer posted 01-23-2003 05:11 PM ET (US)
what video, where?
Barry posted 01-23-2003 05:30 PM ET (US)
roofer, the clip I think Jim may be referring to is on this site http://content.surfline.com/sw/content/video/index.jsp . Scroll down and select "Boosting the Boat".
roofer posted 01-23-2003 06:10 PM ET (US)
thanks, great video.
Capt_Tidy posted 01-23-2003 06:11 PM ET (US)
Jim... sorry but your 25 footer is just to solid on the ocean. It will have to be a very rough day just to practice. I spend a couple of days sampling in big swells 10+ footers and had a ball driving and manuvering about, driving down swells and over and across the tops... but its just me having fun... The 25 Outrage at 25 - 30 knots will plow through most swells and waves without getting wet. Its a blast.
I found in my 25 that wind is bigger problem around the dock than actually driving in bad weather. Mastering the high-speed dock side-slip move was key - my dock is cross winded all the time. Thank god for bumpers... I've missed so many times at low speed.
I found the real challange is avoiding electric boats - these things drive around with some apparent "force field" shield. They literally play dodge ball with you in Newport Beach. In my larger sail boat, the rule was a stiff scotch before entering the harbor... In the whaler, my only defense is power. I'm literally helpless against these bees... it sort of rattles people when I put the hammer down to get the big girl to respond quickly! I swear the bigger the boat, the closer all these electric boats come!
cheers
Ian
jmarlo posted 01-23-2003 06:39 PM ET (US)
I can offer a small bit of advice, garnered from my own bad experience: Dont ever try to beach an Outrage 21. On my maiden voyage to Catalina on my previous boat, the seas were calm and seemingly no waves breaking onto the beach. I figured it would be harmless to beach the boat, do some exploring, and come back. WRONG! As soon as I got within 1-2' of depth and 15 feet offshore, I realized I had read the waves wrong and by this time I was committed to making a landing given my momentum. Waves broke over the transom, flooding my boat and landing it broadside to the beach. Literally, there were fish swimming INSIDE my boat. There was no way to get her back into the water, except to make a call to Vessel Assist. They initially would not respond, because by this time, technically, as I was on the beach, it was considered a "salvage operation." I urged them to at least give it a try. They did, I swam out and grabbed the tow line, and after two tries I was towed out and floating again. Thanks to the self bailing hull, all I had to do was fire up the Merc, and take off. As stupid as I was, I certainly learned from that experience, and have been a committed BW devotee ever since.
doobee posted 01-23-2003 07:02 PM ET (US)
Bennett Marine Videos may have something on the subject. I don't know where they are but you can probably find them on the Web. There is also a publication called Ocean Navigator which may have some info on heavy weather as well.
whale on!
Buckda posted 01-23-2003 07:15 PM ET (US)
I can give you a bit of advice that that poor photographer in the bow can attest to....if you're a passenger in those conditions, get to the back! (Did you see his legs flailing in the air?!...That had to hurt coming down!)
Cool video, thanks for sharing..
boxers posted 01-23-2003 07:56 PM ET (US)
DITTO In my mind I was saying go to the stern. Could any one tell if origonally they were anchored? The guy in the bow looked to be untying an anchor line as the driver looked to be cranking up the motor. It appeared as though he let it go just before the wave hit them broadside. Any similar impressions?
zpeed7 posted 01-23-2003 08:08 PM ET (US)
As a note: Adlard Cole's Heavy Weather Sailing is considered by many the bible of offshore sailing. The latest edition has a full chapter dedicated to handling powerboats in heavy weather conditions. I recommend it.
Later,
Zpeed7
Capt_Tidy posted 01-23-2003 09:21 PM ET (US)
If you watch the video the driver does exactly the right thing and get between the console and the rail and hangs on... in most rollovers, people get hurt hitting something as they fling about. Wedging himself beside the console was rather smart.. if the boat was to roll... he was ready as could be.
Swellmonster posted 01-25-2003 02:57 PM ET (US)
I think he kept his ball cap too!

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Author	Topic: videos of boat handling in rough conditions
JimU	posted 01-23-2003 03:07 PM ET (US) The general forum contains a link to an intreesting video of a boat battling surf. I'm interested in proper seamanship procedures for boat handling in rough condidtions. I nave chapmans and a video of boat handling tips that contains a few tips on handling rough seas. Is there any good video material, e.g., the equivalent of military training films, on powerboat handling and seamanship under rough conditions? thanks Jim.
roofer	posted 01-23-2003 05:11 PM ET (US) what video, where?
Barry	posted 01-23-2003 05:30 PM ET (US) roofer, the clip I think Jim may be referring to is on this site http://content.surfline.com/sw/content/video/index.jsp . Scroll down and select "Boosting the Boat".
roofer	posted 01-23-2003 06:10 PM ET (US) thanks, great video.
Capt_Tidy	posted 01-23-2003 06:11 PM ET (US) Jim... sorry but your 25 footer is just to solid on the ocean. It will have to be a very rough day just to practice. I spend a couple of days sampling in big swells 10+ footers and had a ball driving and manuvering about, driving down swells and over and across the tops... but its just me having fun... The 25 Outrage at 25 - 30 knots will plow through most swells and waves without getting wet. Its a blast. I found in my 25 that wind is bigger problem around the dock than actually driving in bad weather. Mastering the high-speed dock side-slip move was key - my dock is cross winded all the time. Thank god for bumpers... I've missed so many times at low speed. I found the real challange is avoiding electric boats - these things drive around with some apparent "force field" shield. They literally play dodge ball with you in Newport Beach. In my larger sail boat, the rule was a stiff scotch before entering the harbor... In the whaler, my only defense is power. I'm literally helpless against these bees... it sort of rattles people when I put the hammer down to get the big girl to respond quickly! I swear the bigger the boat, the closer all these electric boats come! cheers Ian
jmarlo	posted 01-23-2003 06:39 PM ET (US) I can offer a small bit of advice, garnered from my own bad experience: Dont ever try to beach an Outrage 21. On my maiden voyage to Catalina on my previous boat, the seas were calm and seemingly no waves breaking onto the beach. I figured it would be harmless to beach the boat, do some exploring, and come back. WRONG! As soon as I got within 1-2' of depth and 15 feet offshore, I realized I had read the waves wrong and by this time I was committed to making a landing given my momentum. Waves broke over the transom, flooding my boat and landing it broadside to the beach. Literally, there were fish swimming INSIDE my boat. There was no way to get her back into the water, except to make a call to Vessel Assist. They initially would not respond, because by this time, technically, as I was on the beach, it was considered a "salvage operation." I urged them to at least give it a try. They did, I swam out and grabbed the tow line, and after two tries I was towed out and floating again. Thanks to the self bailing hull, all I had to do was fire up the Merc, and take off. As stupid as I was, I certainly learned from that experience, and have been a committed BW devotee ever since.
doobee	posted 01-23-2003 07:02 PM ET (US) Bennett Marine Videos may have something on the subject. I don't know where they are but you can probably find them on the Web. There is also a publication called Ocean Navigator which may have some info on heavy weather as well. whale on!
Buckda	posted 01-23-2003 07:15 PM ET (US) I can give you a bit of advice that that poor photographer in the bow can attest to....if you're a passenger in those conditions, get to the back! (Did you see his legs flailing in the air?!...That had to hurt coming down!) Cool video, thanks for sharing..
boxers	posted 01-23-2003 07:56 PM ET (US) DITTO In my mind I was saying go to the stern. Could any one tell if origonally they were anchored? The guy in the bow looked to be untying an anchor line as the driver looked to be cranking up the motor. It appeared as though he let it go just before the wave hit them broadside. Any similar impressions?
zpeed7	posted 01-23-2003 08:08 PM ET (US) As a note: Adlard Cole's Heavy Weather Sailing is considered by many the bible of offshore sailing. The latest edition has a full chapter dedicated to handling powerboats in heavy weather conditions. I recommend it. Later, Zpeed7
Capt_Tidy	posted 01-23-2003 09:21 PM ET (US) If you watch the video the driver does exactly the right thing and get between the console and the rail and hangs on... in most rollovers, people get hurt hitting something as they fling about. Wedging himself beside the console was rather smart.. if the boat was to roll... he was ready as could be.
Swellmonster	posted 01-25-2003 02:57 PM ET (US) I think he kept his ball cap too!