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seaya posted 03-19-2003 09:58 PM ET (US)
I recently purchased a old blue 13 the wood console is different then any photos i've seen on this site. It is a center console not a side steer. It seems to be original wood work,it's not a sourpuss because it dosent have the wrap around rail and seat back. I was just wondering if any of you know more about this particular center steer console and if it is original and about what year it was made . I cannot find the hull id # because the interior was painted. Any info would be appreciated
Thanks
Bigshot posted 03-20-2003 09:30 AM ET (US)
Probably a sourpuss and railing is missing or a sport that the console rotted and they used a sourpuss. It is easy to distinguish a REAL whaler console from a home made.
Bigshot posted 03-20-2003 09:33 AM ET (US)
FYI: Having owned 4 "wraparound" railings in Whalers I will say I almost can't blame them for bagging it. They are a real PITA. The bolts are constantly coming loose no matter what I did and the rear "T" rot to pieces and can not(until recently) be replaced due to the one piece rail and the bend in it. You would either have to cut the rail to get a new t on it or now CMI makes 2 piece T's like a bagel in half.
JW posted 03-20-2003 11:00 AM ET (US)
Whaler built two 13' center steer models .13'Sourpuss and 13' Sport center steer.The only difference was the Sourpuss had the wrap around helm seat and cushion package.This is from 1972 price list.
witsendfl posted 03-20-2003 01:11 PM ET (US)
seaya,
My understanding is that pre 72 Sourpuss came w/ a 15 in transom and blue interior. I have a 72 w/ a 20 in transom and tan interior. I can email you photos of my 72 ot show you a correct interior if needed.
Great boat
witsendfl JimK
Tom W Clark posted 03-20-2003 01:20 PM ET (US)
If it's a Center Steer (not center console) model, then it had a wrap around rail and seat back. The wrap around rail and seat back was an option for both the Center Steer Sport and the Side Steer Sport models, but the Center Steer Sport never came without the wrap around rail and seat back. This doesn't mean it couldn't have been removed later on.
Both the Center Steer and Sourpuss models were built in blue interior with 15" transom and tan interior with 20" transom.
A Sourpuss model is a Center Steer Sport model with the addition of the blue denim cushion set.
dburton posted 03-20-2003 02:17 PM ET (US)
Tom,
My 1976 13' with center steering only had side rails when I bought her. There is no evidence that she ever had the wrap around rail and seat back. I thought she was a sport model. I am not clear from your post what model you think that I have.
Some text on the 1974 catalog page-07 says that "removal of rail and cushions from Sourpuss makes Center Steering Sport model."
Doug
dburton posted 03-20-2003 02:44 PM ET (US)
Tom,
Also the 1973 catalog page-04 shows a center steer sport model with only side rails. I'm not trying to be a smart a**, I just love your catalog CD. As you can tell I spend way too much time looking at it.
Doug
Tom W Clark posted 03-20-2003 02:54 PM ET (US)
Doug,
That's interesting what you report. I would call what you have a Sport 13 Center Steer.
I had a 1976 Sport 13 Center Steer and it had the wrap around rail and seat back.
Looking at the 11/76 price list it appears the wrap around rail an seat back option were separate from the center steer option, so you may be right about your boat being original. I've never seen one though.
Tom W Clark posted 03-20-2003 02:57 PM ET (US)
Doug,
Page 4, 1973. Wha-da-ya-know? There it is! You've better eyes than me: )
seaya posted 03-20-2003 09:40 PM ET (US)
thanks guys after a closer look i see the holes where the rail would of been attached so it probably is /was a sourpuss what was the first year they made that option Im trying to narrow down the year my boat was built
thanks for the help
seaya posted 03-20-2003 11:10 PM ET (US)
witsendfl
Jim tks for the photos but my console is way differnt then that now Im thoroughly confused
Lou

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Author	Topic: Center Console 13 ??
seaya	posted 03-19-2003 09:58 PM ET (US) I recently purchased a old blue 13 the wood console is different then any photos i've seen on this site. It is a center console not a side steer. It seems to be original wood work,it's not a sourpuss because it dosent have the wrap around rail and seat back. I was just wondering if any of you know more about this particular center steer console and if it is original and about what year it was made . I cannot find the hull id # because the interior was painted. Any info would be appreciated Thanks
Bigshot	posted 03-20-2003 09:30 AM ET (US) Probably a sourpuss and railing is missing or a sport that the console rotted and they used a sourpuss. It is easy to distinguish a REAL whaler console from a home made.
Bigshot	posted 03-20-2003 09:33 AM ET (US) FYI: Having owned 4 "wraparound" railings in Whalers I will say I almost can't blame them for bagging it. They are a real PITA. The bolts are constantly coming loose no matter what I did and the rear "T" rot to pieces and can not(until recently) be replaced due to the one piece rail and the bend in it. You would either have to cut the rail to get a new t on it or now CMI makes 2 piece T's like a bagel in half.
JW	posted 03-20-2003 11:00 AM ET (US) Whaler built two 13' center steer models .13'Sourpuss and 13' Sport center steer.The only difference was the Sourpuss had the wrap around helm seat and cushion package.This is from 1972 price list.
witsendfl	posted 03-20-2003 01:11 PM ET (US) seaya, My understanding is that pre 72 Sourpuss came w/ a 15 in transom and blue interior. I have a 72 w/ a 20 in transom and tan interior. I can email you photos of my 72 ot show you a correct interior if needed. Great boat witsendfl JimK
Tom W Clark	posted 03-20-2003 01:20 PM ET (US) If it's a Center Steer (not center console) model, then it had a wrap around rail and seat back. The wrap around rail and seat back was an option for both the Center Steer Sport and the Side Steer Sport models, but the Center Steer Sport never came without the wrap around rail and seat back. This doesn't mean it couldn't have been removed later on. Both the Center Steer and Sourpuss models were built in blue interior with 15" transom and tan interior with 20" transom. A Sourpuss model is a Center Steer Sport model with the addition of the blue denim cushion set.
dburton	posted 03-20-2003 02:17 PM ET (US) Tom, My 1976 13' with center steering only had side rails when I bought her. There is no evidence that she ever had the wrap around rail and seat back. I thought she was a sport model. I am not clear from your post what model you think that I have. Some text on the 1974 catalog page-07 says that "removal of rail and cushions from Sourpuss makes Center Steering Sport model." Doug
dburton	posted 03-20-2003 02:44 PM ET (US) Tom, Also the 1973 catalog page-04 shows a center steer sport model with only side rails. I'm not trying to be a smart a**, I just love your catalog CD. As you can tell I spend way too much time looking at it. Doug
Tom W Clark	posted 03-20-2003 02:54 PM ET (US) Doug, That's interesting what you report. I would call what you have a Sport 13 Center Steer. I had a 1976 Sport 13 Center Steer and it had the wrap around rail and seat back. Looking at the 11/76 price list it appears the wrap around rail an seat back option were separate from the center steer option, so you may be right about your boat being original. I've never seen one though.
Tom W Clark	posted 03-20-2003 02:57 PM ET (US) Doug, Page 4, 1973. Wha-da-ya-know? There it is! You've better eyes than me: )
seaya	posted 03-20-2003 09:40 PM ET (US) thanks guys after a closer look i see the holes where the rail would of been attached so it probably is /was a sourpuss what was the first year they made that option Im trying to narrow down the year my boat was built thanks for the help
seaya	posted 03-20-2003 11:10 PM ET (US) witsendfl Jim tks for the photos but my console is way differnt then that now Im thoroughly confused Lou