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Peter posted 04-05-2003 09:18 AM ET (US)   Profile for Peter   Send Email to Peter  
Does anybody have the foldaway stern seat option in their Revenge WT 22 or 25? The only picture I can find of this option is in the 1985 catalog. I have the support structure in my Revenge and would like to add the foldaway seat bottom. I'm looking for any information on what material the seat bottom was constructed from, the hardware (hinges, legs) used, and where the hinges should be connected to the support.
dfmcintyre posted 04-05-2003 11:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Peter

Your in luck. Someone else had requested the same, and I took a number of closeups of the seat.

Hopefully, I didn't delete them. Will check on Monday and email to you.

Don

Peter posted 04-05-2003 11:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Thanks!
andygere posted 04-05-2003 01:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Don,
I forwarded the set of photos to Peter this morning. Thanks again!
Peter posted 04-05-2003 02:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Andy - Thanks!

Don - What material is used for the seat bottom? Is it fiberglass encapsulated marine plywood?

Morocco posted 04-05-2003 03:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Morocco  Send Email to Morocco     
I'd love to see those, too!

Peter posted 04-05-2003 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Morocco - Sent them your way.
Morocco posted 04-05-2003 07:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Morocco  Send Email to Morocco     
Thanks!
Offshore20 posted 04-05-2003 09:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Offshore20  Send Email to Offshore20     
andygere:
Could you forward pictures to me as well if it will not be to much trouble?

Thank You,
Offshore20

dfmcintyre posted 04-05-2003 09:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Peter (and others....)

Yes, it is a piece of plywood coated with resin. I didn't note any glass weave patterns in it. I suppose for extreme strength you could also apply some matting or roving on the flat.

I can't recall, did I place a tape measure in the images?

Hope this helps.... If you need an additional area shot, let me know. With a recent addition of a decent digital camera and now a high speed connection at home, I can rock.

Don

dfmcintyre posted 04-05-2003 09:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
And you all can thank Walt Steffens, since it is his boat I'm standing on. I'm just the video/digital scrivener!

Don

Morocco posted 04-05-2003 10:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Morocco  Send Email to Morocco     
Don, Walt, Peter et. al --

Is there a pivot for the seat or does the whole thing 'swing' down on those two 'two position' hinges?

That is such a cool seat, I think I need to see if whaler has plans on file, etc.

Mark

John from Madison CT posted 04-06-2003 06:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for John from Madison CT  Send Email to John from Madison CT     
Please, I would love a photo to at: jmetaxas@aol.com

I still can't believe the consensus here is NOT to have photo posting on our threads. I'm so out of touch with reality. I would think 95% of Whaler fanatics like me would agree.


John from Madison

Peter posted 04-06-2003 09:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Mark - The seat bottom or bench swings down on those two hatch hinges. Note the structural member forming the seat back has been notched so that the seat bottom is flush with the bottom of the seat back when it is deployed.

I saw the hatch hinges available in the Defender catalog. If supported right, I suppose you could make the bench out of thick Starboard. I'm not sure where you can get the "swim platform ladder" legs.

John - I sent the pictures your way.

Offshore20 posted 04-06-2003 09:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Offshore20  Send Email to Offshore20     
Peter could you send pictures of seat if not to much trouble?

Thanks, John

andygere posted 04-06-2003 02:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
John from Madison and John from Plymouth, I just sent the photos this morning. Let's compare notes about design and construction here on the forum.
lnelius posted 04-06-2003 04:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for lnelius  Send Email to lnelius     
I would also like picture, wonder if this would fit 25 outrage. Thanks Lloyd-lnelius@msn.com
spotsnspecks posted 04-06-2003 05:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for spotsnspecks  Send Email to spotsnspecks     
If not too much trouble, I would like pictures as well. I am looking to add this typ of setup to an older Revenge.
Thanks,
hardensheetmetal posted 04-06-2003 06:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
Peter, I think you and I may have spoken about this once before, and I'm sure if this relevant to this discussion, the original non folding strern seat on my 1988 Revenge 22 W/T was manufactured for Whaler by Arts Auto and Marine upholstery, in Brockton, MA. I had all the original hardware, gave them the width, and they remade it exactly as the original had been, and it was cheap to boot. I think I paid $675.00 delivered back in 1998. You might give them a call and see if they will do a run of the seats you are discussing. Let me know, and I will see if I still have the #.

Dan

hardensheetmetal posted 04-06-2003 06:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for hardensheetmetal  Send Email to hardensheetmetal     
Peter, I think you and I may have spoken about this once before, and I'm sure if this relevant to this discussion, the original non folding strern seat on my 1988 Revenge 22 W/T was manufactured for Whaler by Arts Auto and Marine upholstery, in Brockton, MA. I had all the original hardware, gave them the width, and they remade it exactly as the original had been, and it was cheap to boot. I think I paid $675.00 delivered back in 1998. You might give them a call and see if they will do a run of the seats you are discussing. Let me know, and I will see if I still have the #.

Dan

andygere posted 04-06-2003 06:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Offshore 20 (John from Plymouth) I can't seem to get an e-mail of any size to you. Is your address in the profile correct?
Offshore20 posted 04-06-2003 08:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Offshore20  Send Email to Offshore20     
Hello Andy, Peter did forward the pictures to me, Thank you Peter. I seem to be getting emails OK now may have been a MSN glitch, Wouldn't be the first time. I do not yet have any pictures as I do not have a seat yet.
Don, that is a very handsome seat. Mine is much more spartin.
My design will be a stern rail 1 1/2" aluminum with two vertical posts atached to the front of the splashwell 1/2 the distance of the seat length from the centerline. The seat frame will be hinged on these vertical posts. The seat wiil be made of aluminum tubing welded into a rectangle with Starboard seat. My seat would close in the up position and when deployed two legs "aluminum tube" will swing down to support front of seat.

Well what do you think?
John

John

Morocco posted 04-06-2003 11:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Morocco  Send Email to Morocco     
We should see if we can get that order together -- I'd be in for one for that price.
Royce posted 04-07-2003 01:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for Royce  Send Email to Royce     
Don- I also am looking to build(install) a folding stern seat in my 25' Outrage. Could you send me the photos also? If you or anyone else knows where I could have one built, please let me know. My e-mail is rmeyerott@earthlink.net. Thank you!

Royce

John from Madison CT posted 04-07-2003 08:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for John from Madison CT  Send Email to John from Madison CT     
A foldable Stern Seat would be the way I'd want to go. I fish too hard to keep a seat permanently out in the stern.

Downloading Pics now.

John from Madison, CT

Peter posted 04-07-2003 09:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
I was turning through an old West Marine catalog last evening and believe I have found all of the parts necessary to make a foldaway stern seat, assuming that one has the support structure. The cost of the parts was under $700.00.

For the bench, I think a full transom poly swim platform could work (72" long by 18" deep by 1.5" thick). The West website shows two manufacturers of these. The platform would probably require some trimming. The price for the platform was about $500.00.

For the legs, both the old catalog and the West website show a Windline brand of single rung swim platform ladder that looks like it would work. The ladder length is 15" which is about right. The brackets might have to be reversed to work. Price is about $32.00 and a minimum of two is required. I might try to use three for better support.

I have been able to find the heavy duty stainless steel hatch hinges at Defender. They cost about $21.00 each. In my design, I intend to use three.

Because the bench is the most costly part, it might be worth looking around for alternative materials or making one out of marine plywood, coated with resin and then painted.

Peter posted 04-07-2003 09:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
I was turning through an old West Marine catalog last evening and believe I have found all of the parts necessary to make a foldaway stern seat, assuming that one has the support structure. The cost of the parts was under $700.00.

For the bench, I think a full transom poly swim platform could work (72" long by 18" deep by 1.5" thick). The West website shows two manufacturers of these. The platform would probably require some trimming. The price for the platform was about $500.00.

For the legs, both the old catalog and the West website show a Windline brand of single rung swim platform ladder that looks like it would work. The ladder length is 15" which is about right. The brackets might have to be reversed to work. Price is about $32.00 and a minimum of two is required. I might try to use three for better support.

I have been able to find the heavy duty stainless steel hatch hinges at Defender. They cost about $21.00 each. In my design, I intend to use three.

Because the bench is the most costly part, it might be worth looking around for alternative materials or making one out of marine plywood, coated with resin and then painted.

kneucker posted 04-07-2003 09:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for kneucker  Send Email to kneucker     
I'd like to get in on the picture passing. Please foreward copies to me if you can. I have an '86 revenge 22 wt that had the fixed seat option (removed). That flip down sounds like it could be a great option. Also, I am looking for an achor pulpit. Any of you revenge owners found a source for these? Would greatly appreciate the coutesy of a reply. mkneucker@emaenv.com.

Thanks.

JohnM posted 04-08-2003 12:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for JohnM  Send Email to JohnM     
I just pulled the fixed seat out of my 22' Revenge Cuddy and have trying to think of an alternative that I could fold up out of the way quickly. I was tempted to leave it out and use some of those cloth lawn chairs that could pick up and collapse. They are quick and also have beverage holders. Could you send me a pic, pleeeeeeze. jmaske@charter.net
skibis88 posted 04-08-2003 04:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for skibis88  Send Email to skibis88     
I have an original folding seat and mounting hardware that I purchase used form a Whaler dealer. My 1990 22 WT Revenge originally came with the fixed seat but was discarded by the previous owner. I have put off mounting the seat because I don't have the molded back. Please send the digital picture so I can figure out how to fabricate a seat and mounting utilizing the back railing. thanks

rabbott posted 04-08-2003 06:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for rabbott  Send Email to rabbott     
I have an 89 Revenge and would be very interested in seeing pictures of the folding seat. I have toyed with putting a stainless bar across the back of the boat for security purposes but this sounds like the preferrable alternative.
Royce posted 04-08-2003 07:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Royce  Send Email to Royce     
I received the photos of the seat- they are very complete. I contacted Whaler two weeks ago concerning a fold down seat like this and they denied ever having offered one. These photos are valuable and should be made a part of the library of this site(with owners permission). This stern seat solves a number of challenges with the 22 and 25 ft. Whalers--(1) The safety isssue of losing someone or Dog over the rear 2) Additional seating without sacrificing fishing space 3) the asthetics of the rear portion of the deck --among others. One could also incorporate the back rest portion of the seat and use a 4 ft. cooler with padded top as a seat. On a 25 ft. the back rest could be moved back to
directly above the front motor well- thus allowing one access to the areas just in front of the battery boxes(downrigger locations).
Royce
lhg posted 04-08-2003 08:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
For those of you who have the Catalog CD, there is big picture of the fold down seat in the 1988 catalog, Page 28. It doesn't look too complicated to make.

The rail would probably be available from CMI, the 1" thick curving low teak backrest could be made locally, the rubbing stake on top of it from a marine catalog, and the seat from 1" beige starboard. The Whaler tan pleat cushions could be made by Halls. Hardware as mentioned in this thread.

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