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Palmetto posted 05-19-2003 09:10 PM ET (US)
I am restoring a 1978 17' Montauk. Most of the teak has rotted away. Where can you find new teak hatches and anchor cover? Can dealers order these parts?
Thanks,
Palmetto
jimh posted 05-19-2003 10:41 PM ET (US)
As far as I know, the Boston Whaler company does not have inventory of any wood spare parts for the older Boston Whaler hulls.
If you have ability in wood fabrication you might be able to fashion some replacement parts on your own by buying teak boards, etc.
Save the old parts for use as patterns.
BugsyG posted 05-20-2003 03:35 PM ET (US)
Teak does not rot. Mahogany does :)
JAZZ
Palmetto posted 05-20-2003 06:05 PM ET (US)
WOW...I did not know that. So I quess I had mahogany this whole time and I did not know it. I just assumed it was teak. I have never seen it stained before.
How can you tell the difference? I guess this is a stupid question, but I do not know how to tell.
Thanks for your help
Palmetto
andygere posted 05-20-2003 06:37 PM ET (US)
Palmetto,
Teak does in fact rot, although it does have better rot resistance than many other woods. Your '78 Montauk had teak louvered doors on the console, a teak back on the reversible pilot seat and a teak hatch cover on the bow anchor locker. If you had a factory installed cooler seat in front of the console, the wooden cleats that anchored the cooler to the floor were made of mahagony.
acseatsri posted 05-20-2003 07:28 PM ET (US)
A cabinet maker will be able to make the parts for you.
Palmetto posted 05-20-2003 10:11 PM ET (US)
Thank you for your help.
lhg posted 05-20-2003 10:21 PM ET (US)
Since later Montauks had the all fiberglass cover, hinged, I would imagine the CGP divison has the mold to make one, special order in the tan gelcoat.
The most difficult discontinued teak items to replace, or to custom make, on any Montauk or Outrage are the teak louvered doors. Both the frame and the louvered door are totally custom by Whaler, and not an off-the-shelf item.
JFM posted 05-21-2003 08:48 PM ET (US)
Andy,
I have never seen a piece of rotten teak.
It’s funny that you mention that because I just read an article pertaining to this subject.
An Asian company is reclaiming old teak from buildings that date back as far as 200 BC to make teak hardwood flooring. Is the teak that you have seen rotted caused by natural causes? I don’t doubt it, however I’m very curious to know the cause.
Regards, Jay
hooter posted 05-21-2003 09:03 PM ET (US)
Mebbe the correct word is not "rotten", but Ah've seen plenty of teak so "weathered" as t'warrant replacement. Years of non-stop exposure to sun and salt will leave ocean-goin' Whaler teak parts so deeply ridged, thin and warped that there's no reasonable way t'restore them. Now put that teak inside a cool, dry buildin' for a couple thousand years and mebbe you still have something that looks like teak. Prob'ly not so, if you find that old teak boat hull on top of Mt. Ararat.
andygere posted 05-21-2003 09:18 PM ET (US)
Jay,
I don't doubt you have never seen rotten teak, and I agree it is one of the most durable, rot resistant woods available. Its hard tight grain and naturally oily properties make it ideal for marine use. Still, in the right conditions, it is susceptible to what is often called dry rot, which is really an attack by a fungus that feeds on nutrients present in the wood. The term dry rot is a misnomer since it really requires moisture to occur. If not maintained, even teak can lose enough of it's natural oils for this to happen. I have seen teak trim with poorly maintained varnish that was rotted around screw holes and other hardware. I suspect that water under the failed varnish accelerated the process.
15to17 posted 05-21-2003 09:53 PM ET (US)
Palmetto:
Glad to see another lowcountry presence here on CW. I had a local cabinet maker here in Mount Pleasant fabricate me a hatch cover for my 15' Striper from solid mohagany several years ago--boy did it come out looking beautiful, and much better than the old veneered plywood hatch cover that came with the boat. Drop me a line at my profile email address and I'll send you the information.
Congratulations on the 78 Montauk. They are great boats!
The Chesapeake Explorer posted 05-21-2003 10:29 PM ET (US)
About 10 years ago a fellow that had a Montauk 17 in my home port marina had his seat stolen. He was able to get a replacment and back then the cost was get this 1000 dollars!. I would make the parts myself if it was me but I can do that. A cabinet shop can help. Some others point out that the teak may just be weathered, It will turn a gray color.without any care. For anyones information I have been varnishing my teak each year for about 8 years now. I use Admrils flagship varnish. It lasts a full year with 3 coats. In spring I either strip and refinish or just sand and refinish and its beautifull. I used all the oils and sealers and they would only last a month or two and I was constantly washing the teak with cleaners to reoil ect. The grain of the wood was suffering from this . With varnish no more trouble but a bit of elbow grease once a year!
Palmetto posted 05-21-2003 10:42 PM ET (US)
Thank you for all of the replies. My teak has suffered from the "dry" rot. The front cooler cleats where completely destroyed and the horizontal hatch and seat have extensive damage. My teak was covered in about 4 inches of leaves for 3 years. There were Pine trees growing in the boat. The teak just crumpled in my hand. Parents do not know how to maintain a boat while you are gone HAHAHA.
15to17 - I will defintely drop you an email. Thanks for the help.

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Author	Topic: New Teak
Palmetto	posted 05-19-2003 09:10 PM ET (US) I am restoring a 1978 17' Montauk. Most of the teak has rotted away. Where can you find new teak hatches and anchor cover? Can dealers order these parts? Thanks, Palmetto
jimh	posted 05-19-2003 10:41 PM ET (US) As far as I know, the Boston Whaler company does not have inventory of any wood spare parts for the older Boston Whaler hulls. If you have ability in wood fabrication you might be able to fashion some replacement parts on your own by buying teak boards, etc. Save the old parts for use as patterns.
BugsyG	posted 05-20-2003 03:35 PM ET (US) Teak does not rot. Mahogany does :) JAZZ
Palmetto	posted 05-20-2003 06:05 PM ET (US) WOW...I did not know that. So I quess I had mahogany this whole time and I did not know it. I just assumed it was teak. I have never seen it stained before. How can you tell the difference? I guess this is a stupid question, but I do not know how to tell. Thanks for your help Palmetto
andygere	posted 05-20-2003 06:37 PM ET (US) Palmetto, Teak does in fact rot, although it does have better rot resistance than many other woods. Your '78 Montauk had teak louvered doors on the console, a teak back on the reversible pilot seat and a teak hatch cover on the bow anchor locker. If you had a factory installed cooler seat in front of the console, the wooden cleats that anchored the cooler to the floor were made of mahagony.
acseatsri	posted 05-20-2003 07:28 PM ET (US) A cabinet maker will be able to make the parts for you.
Palmetto	posted 05-20-2003 10:11 PM ET (US) Thank you for your help.
lhg	posted 05-20-2003 10:21 PM ET (US) Since later Montauks had the all fiberglass cover, hinged, I would imagine the CGP divison has the mold to make one, special order in the tan gelcoat. The most difficult discontinued teak items to replace, or to custom make, on any Montauk or Outrage are the teak louvered doors. Both the frame and the louvered door are totally custom by Whaler, and not an off-the-shelf item.
JFM	posted 05-21-2003 08:48 PM ET (US) Andy, I have never seen a piece of rotten teak. It’s funny that you mention that because I just read an article pertaining to this subject. An Asian company is reclaiming old teak from buildings that date back as far as 200 BC to make teak hardwood flooring. Is the teak that you have seen rotted caused by natural causes? I don’t doubt it, however I’m very curious to know the cause. Regards, Jay
hooter	posted 05-21-2003 09:03 PM ET (US) Mebbe the correct word is not "rotten", but Ah've seen plenty of teak so "weathered" as t'warrant replacement. Years of non-stop exposure to sun and salt will leave ocean-goin' Whaler teak parts so deeply ridged, thin and warped that there's no reasonable way t'restore them. Now put that teak inside a cool, dry buildin' for a couple thousand years and mebbe you still have something that looks like teak. Prob'ly not so, if you find that old teak boat hull on top of Mt. Ararat.
andygere	posted 05-21-2003 09:18 PM ET (US) Jay, I don't doubt you have never seen rotten teak, and I agree it is one of the most durable, rot resistant woods available. Its hard tight grain and naturally oily properties make it ideal for marine use. Still, in the right conditions, it is susceptible to what is often called dry rot, which is really an attack by a fungus that feeds on nutrients present in the wood. The term dry rot is a misnomer since it really requires moisture to occur. If not maintained, even teak can lose enough of it's natural oils for this to happen. I have seen teak trim with poorly maintained varnish that was rotted around screw holes and other hardware. I suspect that water under the failed varnish accelerated the process.
15to17	posted 05-21-2003 09:53 PM ET (US) Palmetto: Glad to see another lowcountry presence here on CW. I had a local cabinet maker here in Mount Pleasant fabricate me a hatch cover for my 15' Striper from solid mohagany several years ago--boy did it come out looking beautiful, and much better than the old veneered plywood hatch cover that came with the boat. Drop me a line at my profile email address and I'll send you the information. Congratulations on the 78 Montauk. They are great boats!
The Chesapeake Explorer	posted 05-21-2003 10:29 PM ET (US) About 10 years ago a fellow that had a Montauk 17 in my home port marina had his seat stolen. He was able to get a replacment and back then the cost was get this 1000 dollars!. I would make the parts myself if it was me but I can do that. A cabinet shop can help. Some others point out that the teak may just be weathered, It will turn a gray color.without any care. For anyones information I have been varnishing my teak each year for about 8 years now. I use Admrils flagship varnish. It lasts a full year with 3 coats. In spring I either strip and refinish or just sand and refinish and its beautifull. I used all the oils and sealers and they would only last a month or two and I was constantly washing the teak with cleaners to reoil ect. The grain of the wood was suffering from this . With varnish no more trouble but a bit of elbow grease once a year!
Palmetto	posted 05-21-2003 10:42 PM ET (US) Thank you for all of the replies. My teak has suffered from the "dry" rot. The front cooler cleats where completely destroyed and the horizontal hatch and seat have extensive damage. My teak was covered in about 4 inches of leaves for 3 years. There were Pine trees growing in the boat. The teak just crumpled in my hand. Parents do not know how to maintain a boat while you are gone HAHAHA. 15to17 - I will defintely drop you an email. Thanks for the help.