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critch22 posted 07-17-2003 06:25 PM ET (US)
I have steered a friend away from buying a new, no-name boat and tuned him in to a gorgeous, but expensive (imagine that) 1986 25' Outrage with a late model Yamaha. I have always loved this boat based on looks alone. I am sure it will handle a 60 mile trip to the Bahamas - just wondering if anyone knows any reason not to encourage the guy to buy this boat - or at least this model.
lhg posted 07-17-2003 06:30 PM ET (US)
The only reason I can think of is so that someone else here could get it instead!
A 25 Outrage or Revenge really should have twin engines in my estimation, however.
HAPPYJIM posted 07-17-2003 06:43 PM ET (US)
My fishing buddy has a 1987 25' Revenge with twin 200hp Johnson's......it is SWEET!!
Twins is the way to go.
alkar posted 07-17-2003 10:00 PM ET (US)
I love that boat. I need one.
Ditto on the twins.
Sal DiMercurio posted 07-18-2003 01:25 AM ET (US)
1 outboard engine on that 25 ft Outrage is someone dreaming instead of facing facts.
The biggest engine that boat could have on it is a 225, & it needs at least 350 "minimum" if it's going to run as it's supposed to.
My choice would be twin 200s with "ABSOLUTLY" nothing less.
That poor single engine has been run sooooo hard it's most likely on it's last leg.
I would rate any single outboard on a 25 OR less then minimal & very close to an insult to the boat.
Sal
Peter posted 07-18-2003 08:21 AM ET (US)
I agree with LHG and all, the 25' hull should have and was designed for twins. Several years ago when I was shopping around I looked at a 25 Revenge W/T with a single 250 hp Yamaha. The power was just marginal and it felt bow heavy. At rest on a mooring, the hard chines at the stern were almost out of the water.
An Outrage, however, should be better than a Revenge with a single outboard but still a twin rigged Outrage would be preferrable over a single. It is possible that Yamaha on the hull in question is a nominal 250.
lhg posted 07-18-2003 03:40 PM ET (US)
If the boat and engine are really nice, I would just slide that engine over a little and find a matching one to pair it up with. That's exactly how my 18 outrage ended up with twin 115's. I already had one of the 115's!
critch22 posted 07-18-2003 03:50 PM ET (US)
Good input - as expected. 230 horses on an 18 Outrage? Where were you on that "fastest whaler thread?"
We will look into "sliding" the 250 over a little - maybe someones got another one in crate left over. With twin 250's - that boat should haul butt...
Quick question - does anyone know if exceeding the max hp effects insurance or warranty?
John from Madison CT posted 07-18-2003 05:10 PM ET (US)
Sal: You've been corrected already in your assumptions that a single OB would not be enough for a 25' Whaler.
Several owners here have those set ups and report very good results, not by any means lugging the engine or having a slow boat.
FWIW, I am desperately looking for a 25' Outrage with Whaler Drive and a SINGLE 250hp Outboard.
I know that would be fine and give top end near 40mph.
Look back at a previous thread that discusses this. FWIW, I had 300hp on a 25' Outrage via Dual 150's and the boat was plenty fast, even with a half tower. Those old 150's where heavy and contributed lots of drag.
Give me a single strong 250hp like a Yamaha, and I would be in heaven (not dreaming like you mention :)
John
lhg posted 07-18-2003 06:53 PM ET (US)
Nothing's going to get resolved on this issue here. The fellow should buy the rig if it's nice, and see how HE likes the single power for offshore and Bahama runs. If not, there is always a good market for the engine, and he can get twins of his choice. Maybe he'd be satisfied with a pony motor as a back up.
RMBW posted 07-21-2003 01:34 AM ET (US)
I have a 25'WT with a 220+ yamaha and 9.9 4 stroke. My main use is for fishing. You get better milage with a single. Most of my time on the water I could not use the boat at high speed due to sea coditions. I had twin motors on a 19' outrage and was never happer than when I switched to a single large motor on her. Mike
rjgorion posted 07-21-2003 09:53 AM ET (US)
Critch, Before I bought my OR 18, I came across another OR 18 with a 225hp Yamaha on it. I called my insurance company to ask about this and they said flat-out, that they would not insure the boat. Now, other ins companies may be different but that was my experience. Needless to say, I did not buy that boat but did find another that was a better deal anyway. My 2 cents worth...
Ron
critch22 posted 07-21-2003 10:07 AM ET (US)
John in CT:
My friend is going to take a pass. (He likes the 27' Pursuit a little better) If youre looking for a sweet 25' at least check this one out. www.usedwhalers.com
Thanks to all. We'll debate the twin issue on another lead sometime...
Capt_Tidy posted 07-21-2003 12:40 PM ET (US)
The best reason for twins I can justify is if the boat is to be used offshore. A lot of countries that don't offer government search and rescue have a twin outboard/engine law for anything more than three miles offshore... South Africa for one.
One reason for selling my 25 was because we could be up to 100 miles offshore... and even a new single just isn't safe. But around town and upt the coast.. the old 235 was okay... except for it's thirst. At best that engine may have been delivery 150 - 170 horse at the prop... and the boat was fun. A new 225 or 250 could only be more fun.
The $ for repowering twins with new four strokes outboards was the better part of a used Bertram 31 Sportfisher with reconditioned diesels... just a better offshore boat for me with capacity for crew etc etc. Add in the lack of selection, fuel economy, the likely life of a 12-15K outboard, and the noise of outbooards - to me it doesn't add up and didn't past the laugh test. If I'm going to spend big money on engines, it will be on twin diesels... not on twin gas eater.
Cheers
Ian
p.s. Loving the 15 footer - that thing is a rocket.
whalerdude posted 07-21-2003 06:34 PM ET (US)
I don't ever think I will go back to a single after owning my 22 Outrage with twin 130s. It is like having 4 wheel drive on the water. It turns better, gets out of the hole quicker, and does not have torque steer thanks to the counter rotating props.The gas mileage is not even that bad at about 3mpg. I really like knowing that if I lose an engine in bad conditions that I can get back safely with the remaining engine. Just last weekend I was out on lake Michigan with my 3 kids and the wind really picked up. It took quite a bit of extra throttle at the crest of the swells to get over the top at times. I really needed the confidence that my boat gave me in those conditions.

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Author	Topic: 25 Outrage
critch22	posted 07-17-2003 06:25 PM ET (US) I have steered a friend away from buying a new, no-name boat and tuned him in to a gorgeous, but expensive (imagine that) 1986 25' Outrage with a late model Yamaha. I have always loved this boat based on looks alone. I am sure it will handle a 60 mile trip to the Bahamas - just wondering if anyone knows any reason not to encourage the guy to buy this boat - or at least this model.
lhg	posted 07-17-2003 06:30 PM ET (US) The only reason I can think of is so that someone else here could get it instead! A 25 Outrage or Revenge really should have twin engines in my estimation, however.
HAPPYJIM	posted 07-17-2003 06:43 PM ET (US) My fishing buddy has a 1987 25' Revenge with twin 200hp Johnson's......it is SWEET!! Twins is the way to go.
alkar	posted 07-17-2003 10:00 PM ET (US) I love that boat. I need one. Ditto on the twins.
Sal DiMercurio	posted 07-18-2003 01:25 AM ET (US) 1 outboard engine on that 25 ft Outrage is someone dreaming instead of facing facts. The biggest engine that boat could have on it is a 225, & it needs at least 350 "minimum" if it's going to run as it's supposed to. My choice would be twin 200s with "ABSOLUTLY" nothing less. That poor single engine has been run sooooo hard it's most likely on it's last leg. I would rate any single outboard on a 25 OR less then minimal & very close to an insult to the boat. Sal
Peter	posted 07-18-2003 08:21 AM ET (US) I agree with LHG and all, the 25' hull should have and was designed for twins. Several years ago when I was shopping around I looked at a 25 Revenge W/T with a single 250 hp Yamaha. The power was just marginal and it felt bow heavy. At rest on a mooring, the hard chines at the stern were almost out of the water. An Outrage, however, should be better than a Revenge with a single outboard but still a twin rigged Outrage would be preferrable over a single. It is possible that Yamaha on the hull in question is a nominal 250.
lhg	posted 07-18-2003 03:40 PM ET (US) If the boat and engine are really nice, I would just slide that engine over a little and find a matching one to pair it up with. That's exactly how my 18 outrage ended up with twin 115's. I already had one of the 115's!
critch22	posted 07-18-2003 03:50 PM ET (US) Good input - as expected. 230 horses on an 18 Outrage? Where were you on that "fastest whaler thread?" We will look into "sliding" the 250 over a little - maybe someones got another one in crate left over. With twin 250's - that boat should haul butt... Quick question - does anyone know if exceeding the max hp effects insurance or warranty?
John from Madison CT	posted 07-18-2003 05:10 PM ET (US) Sal: You've been corrected already in your assumptions that a single OB would not be enough for a 25' Whaler. Several owners here have those set ups and report very good results, not by any means lugging the engine or having a slow boat. FWIW, I am desperately looking for a 25' Outrage with Whaler Drive and a SINGLE 250hp Outboard. I know that would be fine and give top end near 40mph. Look back at a previous thread that discusses this. FWIW, I had 300hp on a 25' Outrage via Dual 150's and the boat was plenty fast, even with a half tower. Those old 150's where heavy and contributed lots of drag. Give me a single strong 250hp like a Yamaha, and I would be in heaven (not dreaming like you mention :) John
lhg	posted 07-18-2003 06:53 PM ET (US) Nothing's going to get resolved on this issue here. The fellow should buy the rig if it's nice, and see how HE likes the single power for offshore and Bahama runs. If not, there is always a good market for the engine, and he can get twins of his choice. Maybe he'd be satisfied with a pony motor as a back up.
RMBW	posted 07-21-2003 01:34 AM ET (US) I have a 25'WT with a 220+ yamaha and 9.9 4 stroke. My main use is for fishing. You get better milage with a single. Most of my time on the water I could not use the boat at high speed due to sea coditions. I had twin motors on a 19' outrage and was never happer than when I switched to a single large motor on her. Mike
rjgorion	posted 07-21-2003 09:53 AM ET (US) Critch, Before I bought my OR 18, I came across another OR 18 with a 225hp Yamaha on it. I called my insurance company to ask about this and they said flat-out, that they would not insure the boat. Now, other ins companies may be different but that was my experience. Needless to say, I did not buy that boat but did find another that was a better deal anyway. My 2 cents worth... Ron
critch22	posted 07-21-2003 10:07 AM ET (US) John in CT: My friend is going to take a pass. (He likes the 27' Pursuit a little better) If youre looking for a sweet 25' at least check this one out. www.usedwhalers.com Thanks to all. We'll debate the twin issue on another lead sometime...
Capt_Tidy	posted 07-21-2003 12:40 PM ET (US) The best reason for twins I can justify is if the boat is to be used offshore. A lot of countries that don't offer government search and rescue have a twin outboard/engine law for anything more than three miles offshore... South Africa for one. One reason for selling my 25 was because we could be up to 100 miles offshore... and even a new single just isn't safe. But around town and upt the coast.. the old 235 was okay... except for it's thirst. At best that engine may have been delivery 150 - 170 horse at the prop... and the boat was fun. A new 225 or 250 could only be more fun. The $ for repowering twins with new four strokes outboards was the better part of a used Bertram 31 Sportfisher with reconditioned diesels... just a better offshore boat for me with capacity for crew etc etc. Add in the lack of selection, fuel economy, the likely life of a 12-15K outboard, and the noise of outbooards - to me it doesn't add up and didn't past the laugh test. If I'm going to spend big money on engines, it will be on twin diesels... not on twin gas eater. Cheers Ian p.s. Loving the 15 footer - that thing is a rocket.
whalerdude	posted 07-21-2003 06:34 PM ET (US) I don't ever think I will go back to a single after owning my 22 Outrage with twin 130s. It is like having 4 wheel drive on the water. It turns better, gets out of the hole quicker, and does not have torque steer thanks to the counter rotating props.The gas mileage is not even that bad at about 3mpg. I really like knowing that if I lose an engine in bad conditions that I can get back safely with the remaining engine. Just last weekend I was out on lake Michigan with my 3 kids and the wind really picked up. It took quite a bit of extra throttle at the crest of the swells to get over the top at times. I really needed the confidence that my boat gave me in those conditions.