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flint99 posted 06-08-2004 03:58 PM ET (US)   Profile for flint99   Send Email to flint99  
[Apparently in the state of Texas, outboard motors are issued titles by the state through the state agency Texas Parks and Wildlife.] I bought a 115-HP Johnson to re-power my 1967 EASTPORT, but never received a title. I've contacted the seller who says he has sent in forms and resent forms.

What is the proceedure for obtaining a title to an outboard motor in Texas from the Texas Parks and Wildlife (TP&W)? I thought I could apply for lost title but TP&W said I will have to go to court and prove that I bought it.
Thanks for any information.

SteveGMP posted 06-08-2004 05:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for SteveGMP  Send Email to SteveGMP     
I spoke with a member of the New Hampshire Environmental Police as part of a USPS course. I was surprised when he told me that he never titles his outboards or has the serial numbers on his registration. He felt that outboards where replacable components.
Rick Dewees posted 06-08-2004 05:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
Here's what TP&W says (only applies to Texans):

nFL_Bosn69 posted 06-08-2004 06:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for nFL_Bosn69  Send Email to nFL_Bosn69     
Texas Parks and Wildlife, controls titling for Texas boats/motors, like Florida, which uses the DMV. I just transferred my titles from TX to FL. You should be able to call TP&W with your numbers to find out if they were previously titled, and to whom. Mine were previously titled to my dad in TX, so I got him to send a form (available on TP&W website) with $50 for certified duplicates, now must spend 50 more to title in FL. Ohhhh, the woes of a boat owner. Anyway, you SHOULD have a bill of sale, though it may not mean much without the titles, bit of a catch-22, but at least if they were in fact titled to the seller before, you shouldn't have too much problem proving ownership. And yes, I'm sure some swanky lawyer could prove otherwise, but usually the DMV is more forgiving.


Joe Kriz posted 06-08-2004 06:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
Some states do not have Titles for Outboard motors.
California is one such state.

I have no idea about Texas. Are you sure you need a Title in Texas?

JBCornwell posted 06-08-2004 07:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Read Rick's link, Joe.

You must have a title to sell an outboard in Texas.

Flint99's seller violated Texas law by selling without turning over clear title. He may need to appear in court to prove that the engine wasn't stolen.

The reason is to make stealing and reselling outboards a lot more difficult, and to generate documentation on stolen outboards. It works.

Red sky at night. . .

jimh posted 06-09-2004 12:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I think the people in the state of Texas are known as an independent bunch of straight-shooting fellas, and I think they probably have their own website about how to obtain titles from their state agencies. You could ask them questions about Boston Whaler boats, and they might not know much, but then again, they're in the business of administering state agencies and promulgating their rules, while we're in the business of collecting information about Boston Whaler boats. They might take offense if we moved this website into their field. Heck, I would get some hair up on the back of my neck if the darn Texas Parks and Wildlife folks started posting articles about classic Boston Whaler boats on their website.

Things are pretty up to date down there, and I bet they even have a telephone number where you can call them on the telephone and talk to them about how to resolve problems like this. Up here in Michigan we have to stand in line at a Secretary of State office. Last time I was in one I got a really nice clerk, an older woman, and she was very helpful, even if she knew absolutely nothing about classic Boston Whaler boats. She was up to speed on titles and how to get them. While she was typing away on the computer terminal I was thinking about asking her if she knew anything about getting water out of a Boston Whaler hull with soggy foam, but I figured she was hitting those keys with lightning fast speed and why slow down that title work just to chat about something not related, so I let it go. Didn't ask her about the Whalers.

What I do is go there before it opens and get in line. They open at 9 a.m. and last time I went I got there about 8:45 a.m. I was about tenth in line. I only had to wait about 15 minutes to get helped. Also, I never go right at the end of the month or right at the start of the month, because I figure all the folks who forgot to re-new their driver's license by mail will be there. So I try to time my visit for about the second or third week of the month. Hey--that is this week! Perfect time for a visit! Last time I was in line I had a good chat with a guy who had just had hip replacement surgery. He was back up and walking around. When they finally opened the door the head clerk told him to come right up to the counter first, the heck with standing in that line with a bunch of teenagers who were gonna take a driver's test. That's the way I like to see 'em run things.

If the Secretary of State in Michigan is a Democrat, I never go to the office if I can avoid it. I try to do everything by mail or web site. If you go to the office about two-thirds of the help will be gone, attending sensitivity training seminars, getting mandatory classes in political correctness, or participating in voter registration drives in urban lower-income areas for non-English speakers. Clerks that are there are mainly talking on their cellular telephones.

If the Secretary of State in Michigan is a Republican, then I go to the office if I need to, and usually they are running at full staff, nobody off for seminars, sick leave, union-contract negotiation, of other stuff. Got 'em all in there at the counter helping the citizens. Plus they got a big sign that says, "Shut off your cellular telephone before approaching counter!" Amen to that.

If this fellas what that sold you the Johnson ain't got no title, I think they have a way of taking care of folks like that in Texas, put 'em on some road gang and bust up some concrete with fellas that look like Paul Newman--seen that in a movie picture once.

dcace posted 06-09-2004 12:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for dcace  Send Email to dcace     
Your starting to sound a little like Hooter, he's cajun not Texan. Y'all understand.
hooter posted 06-09-2004 08:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for hooter    
Sheee-IT, jimh! [slow and deliberately, now] If yer gonna go and spew forth like a west Texan, a liddle more color in your prose would be ap-pre-ci-ATE-d; knowwhatAhmean? It's right hard ta' impart in-FLEC-tion in written form, but folk that can discern the dif'rence b'tween a Lubbockian horntoad and a Tylerian rose can hear the inflection in their hae-id if they know wherefrom comes the speaker early in the piece. JB knows full well what Ah'm talkin' about, here. But my ha-its off to ya f'r givin' it a go.

Without the twang and up t' speed, now, Ah do b'lieve the Texans got more on the ball than the other 49 states in a number of ways. They got bluebonnets and indian paintbrush in April and Blue Bell Ice cream in Brenham. They got beauty pagents out the wazoo and Miss Texas World. They keep their Gov'nor and the whole damn legislature on a short leash, only callin' the legislature into session ever other year and the pay ain't much. Even their Democrats is fun to watch. Just look at Ann Richards for ten seconds without bustin' a gut laughin, if you can. Texans gen'rally get at least 90 cents of concreek or asphalt poured into their roads for ever' tax dollar paid for same. Here in Louisiana, we're lucky to keep 50-cents of the dollar out of the crooked politicians' pockets, so we bounce around on crappy highways and recently pulled up and grazed over all our roadside parks, 'cause there wasn't any more profit to the crooks in keepin' them open.

Taggin' boat motors seems contrary to the un-regulatory nature of the Texans. That is, until you consider how they use to take care of horse thieves. Ah bet it does slow down the re-sale market there at home. But then, that's prob'ly why we see so many cheap used Texas boat motors for sale over here in Louisiana. We ain't about to slow down thievery of any sort, not if they's a profit in it for any lowly Parish administrator:-!

lpullon posted 06-09-2004 09:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for lpullon  Send Email to lpullon     
Born a Texan but live in Arkansas now - by choice. Don't need no boat motor titles here, in fact, I don't need any titles. So, you Texans can pull them illegal undocumented motors off your Whalers and sell them to me. I'll be real generous and give you $5 a horsepower for a good running motor if it ain't been in the gulf - half that if it has!
Rick Dewees posted 06-09-2004 09:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
"What we have here is a failure to communicate." - the captain
poker13 posted 06-09-2004 09:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for poker13    
Damn, jimh, tryin' to imitate Texans and politicking like there's no tomorrow (actually there is no tomorrow for your Boy George come November, but that's another matter). You are violating your own rules more often and sinking your own website to new lows.

Come on, man, even though you're a Republican, you seem like a decent enough fellow. Let's keep it clean, huh?

TexasWhaler posted 06-09-2004 09:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for TexasWhaler  Send Email to TexasWhaler     
Allow me to say as a Texas Republican, your stock just when up in my book.
TexasWhaler posted 06-09-2004 09:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for TexasWhaler  Send Email to TexasWhaler     
when??? meant went. early, no coffee yet.
lucky 13 posted 06-09-2004 04:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for lucky 13  Send Email to lucky 13     
I had the same problem when I purchased my first BW. I live in Texas. There is a form for a duplicate title which can be downloaded from the site that was linked above. There is also a form that allows the document to be mailed directly to you instead of the addresse on the title. If the person that sold you the motor is named on the title, get them to sign this form and mail it to the state. They will send you the title. I think the transfer (to your name) can be done at the same time. This process was pretty fast (couple of weeks). E-mail me for more specific questions.
elaelap posted 06-09-2004 04:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Anyone get the purpose of jimh's post yet? Guess not.
TexasWhaler posted 06-09-2004 05:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for TexasWhaler  Send Email to TexasWhaler     
I got it. Crystal clear so true.
prj posted 06-09-2004 05:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
I got it also,
typical hateful republican interjection...
hooter posted 06-09-2004 06:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for hooter    
Do Ah get it? Consider that this li’l group o’ kindred spirits is entirely a product of jimh’s creative mind, and surreal becomes reality. When jimh tucks his tongue so far back in 'is cheek that he drops unconscious to the floor, continuousWave and the group here assembled in its present pursuit, here in this string, is of course the nightmare that's spattered around on the inside canvas o' jimh's skull. Pour boy comes to a couple hours later and wonders what all the fuss is about. Ah been drinkin' nothin’ but Campari and a chunk o' lime, with or without soda, no-matter, since it got hot. Beats gin or vodka by a mile, and it’s time Ah had a drink:-!

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