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Author | Topic: Evinrude E-TEC 150-HP: Coming in January |
jimh |
posted 11-28-2005 09:58 PM ET (US)
Production of the 2006 Evinrude E-TEC 150-HP V6 engine appears to be on hold until January of 2006. Dealers with motors on order have been told to expect them after the first of the year. The 2.6-liter E-TEC engine was first shown to the public in February 2005 at the Miami International Boat Show. Dealers anticipate receiving production engines in time for winter boat shows and delivery to customers. Curiously, by introducing the 150-HP model last, Evinrude is following the exact same pattern of product introduction as all the other outboard manufacturers. Yamaha and Honda brought their 150-HP low-emission outboards into production about a year ago, the last model in their line of engines. As for Mercury, it is believed they also are just beginning production of their 150-HP Verado engine. That engine had its debut at the Miami Boat Show. According to rival manufacturer Yamaha, their four-stroke 150-HP outboard is now the most popular model in their entire line of engines. The strong demand for 150-HP engines must make this delay particularly difficult to bear for Evinrude and Mercury customers. The 2006 Evinrude 150-HP E-TEC V6 will be available in five models, including a special 20-inch shaft version called the 150-HP H.O (High Output). This engine will feature a high-speed gearcase and special performance tuning. It is targeted at high-speed applications such as bass fishing boats. The 150-HP engine is a loop charged V6 with a 60-degree block of 2.6-liter (158-cu-in) displacement. The engine will weigh 419 to 427 pounds depending on shaft length, and be available in 20-inch, 25-inch, and 25-inch counter rotating versions. The E-TEC will have a significant weight advantage when compared to other low-emission 150-HP engines. The Mercury Verado, for example, weighs 91 pounds more. The Honda 150-HP is 59 pounds heavier; the Yamaha is 47 pounds heavier. An E-TEC 175-HP variant based on this same block will also be available, as will a 200-HP model. The E-TEC engines include a three year NON-DECLINING warranty (recreational use only). The 60-degree V6 engine has been used for many years in Evinrude and Johnson two-stroke engines and is a well-tested design. The engine has a bore of 3.6-inches and a stroke of 2.588 (91 mm X 66 mm). These engines will develop their rated horsepower over a broad range of engine speeds, from 4,650- to 5,850-RPM. The new E-TEC engines will have all of the features of the previously introduced E-TEC models, including: --self-winterization Also, the new E-TEC engine will support NMEA-2000 digital instrumentation. Digital gauges are available from Evinrude in their I-Command™ Line, and from third-party producers of NMEA-2000 compliant gauges like Lowrance. |
prj |
posted 11-29-2005 10:13 AM ET (US)
Good news indeed and consistent with the odd sequencing of HP release schedules. I would think that as the HP increases, the market size decreases. Perhaps profitability is in direct relationship with HP.
A week ago or so, Rick Barret of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel |
jbtaz |
posted 11-29-2005 01:04 PM ET (US)
Verado 150's have been out and about for at least 2 months. (In dealer or customers hands). |
bsmotril |
posted 11-29-2005 01:43 PM ET (US)
I wonder if by chance, that decision is driven by the need to get rid of existing old tech inventory and components. A couple months delay at this time of year will put a lot of older engine on transoms of boats being built right now for the upcoming boat show selling binge. BillS |
jimh |
posted 11-29-2005 02:49 PM ET (US)
The Rick Barrett article http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/nov05/368244.asp mentioned above. Still waiting to see the first Verado of any horsepower at my local dealer--he is not allowed to sell them in spite being a Mercury dealer for at least 40 years. |
Peter |
posted 11-29-2005 04:01 PM ET (US)
Late this summer I saw a two 150 HP Verados in use in my local waters. Both were mounted on the back of new Whalers, possibly both were 180 Dauntless models although I must admit I didn't pay much attention to the type of Whalers that they were on because the Verados really caught my eye. The reason they caught my eye was they simply looked huge, almost overwhelming, out of proportion in profile (way out of the ordinary expected scale that my eyes are used to seeing over the years) relative to the Whaler. I recall that when the conventional 4-strokes first came out I thought they were huge for any given HP range but these Verados seem to be in a different league particularly on a relatively low freeboard boat like a Whaler.
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93Outrage17 |
posted 11-29-2005 05:00 PM ET (US)
Hello Jim, Any word on the 115 & 140 V-4 availability ?
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jimh |
posted 11-29-2005 08:16 PM ET (US)
If the inquiry is about the E-TEC 130-HP engine based on the V4 block, I have only some anecdotal reports that this model is not going to be available anytime soon. I believe that the 130-HP E-TEC was planed to be a higher horsepower version of the 115-HP E-TEC. Both engines are based on the 1.726-liter (105-cu-in) displacement 60-degree V4 block. I don't know what the production schedule will be. My understanding is that E-TEC outboards are in general on back order. |
John W |
posted 11-29-2005 10:06 PM ET (US)
The high & dry marina where I keep my boat is a large-volume Whaler dealer, and there are a bumch of Verado 150 - powered whalers there. They are big motors, but IMO not any larger looking than the F150 Yamaha or the 150 Honda. I find the 6 cylinder Verado's to be one of the ugliest things ever put on a boat, but the 150 Verado's are very sharp looking to my eyes. They are absurdly quiet, as well. I'm looking forward to seeing a 150 E-TEC on the water...it sounds like a great repower option for my Outrage. |
jimh |
posted 11-29-2005 10:16 PM ET (US)
I hope to see the 150-HP Verado at a winter boat show. If they are like the six-cylinder engine they should be so quiet as to be hard to believe. I think the 150-HP E-TEC and Verado will be suitable for re-powering many classic Boston Whaler boats. The smaller Verado does not have the new transom mounting system or the electro-hydraulic steering, and both of those facts will make it much more adaptable as a re-power choice. |
homey |
posted 11-29-2005 10:37 PM ET (US)
I also saw some 150 Verado's at Bass Pro Shop and they looked better then their big brother Verado's. As for the E-tec 150's I'm looking forward to them, also believe they would be a good choice for repowering older Whalers... |
LHG |
posted 11-30-2005 05:46 PM ET (US)
I just saw a whole bunch of 150 and 175 Verados on the water and at dealerships in SE FL, the outboard capital of the world. They have been out for some time and look very sharp, particularly in twin installations like the 240 Outrage I saw. The big 6 cylinder Verados are all over the place also, on many brands of boats, particularly assorted go-fasts, Fountains, Wellcrafts, Makos, See Vee, Midnight Express, Donzi, Sea Craft and Whalers, of course. The 275-HP model seems to be seen the most, as the horsepower race continues. Looking around at all of these expensive, large outboard boats, there is no question in my mind that to many new affluent boat owners, the Verado has become the "must have" status symbol in outboards. During all of this time on the water, I saw NO 3.0 liter E-TEC's, but did see a boat with a pair of 90's on it. I think the big Suzuki's are catching on, also. And of course, Yamaha 150's are everywhere too. My guess is that any of BRP's first production of 150's will go to the FL market first, and some of their boat builders. I can't imagine them making it to other locations before summer, except in token numbers for display purposes. All of the manufacturers ship first production units down there, for max exposure in the winter months |
Peter |
posted 11-30-2005 05:56 PM ET (US)
Larry, the reason you saw no 3.0-liter E-TEC's is because there are no such things. ;) |
LHG |
posted 11-30-2005 08:24 PM ET (US)
Oh, I forgot, they had to jack them up to 3.3 to keep up with the other brand 3.0 liter blocks! |
jimh |
posted 11-30-2005 09:13 PM ET (US)
What amazes me is how the styling of the four-cylinder Verado engines has what I would call a very strong Wisconsin heritage. Those things look exactly like the 90-HP E-TEC that came out two years earlier! |
LHG |
posted 11-30-2005 11:19 PM ET (US)
Yea, but Jim, check out the 300 HP EFI's introduced around 1998. That's where it all began, and it is definitely a Mercury original design. See 2nd photo here: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/engineBrackets.html My guess is that the Evinrude spies have been snooping around Fond du Lac for some time. The L4 Verados are a definite design progression from this engine. I think the L6 Verados would have been too, but because of the tall powerhead, they chose to slim down the mid section a little. |
jimb |
posted 12-01-2005 03:31 PM ET (US)
Having read all of the above, and brand loyalties aside, the L-4 Verados are as powerful and quiet as their bigger brothers and lots of fun to run!! |
Steve Leone |
posted 12-03-2005 07:55 PM ET (US)
I thought Lake X was inpenetrable. Is there a 9.9/15, 20, 25hp coming in the Etec line? I thought I tsaw a puddy cat. |
JayR |
posted 12-07-2005 09:34 PM ET (US)
I've been waiting for the 130 HP E-TEC to become available for some time now. My Ribbed Outrage is just screaming for it (as I am in my sleep). Shall I expect to see the 150 & 175 before the 130? Is there a production problem with the 130? Ed's had it listed for a short time and pulled it. |
jimh |
posted 01-07-2006 07:50 PM ET (US)
Here is a first look at an E-TEC 150-HP V6 outboard. It just arrived at a dealer for rigging. Exactly as predicted--January 2006: Fig. 1. Starboard side of E-TEC 150; cowling removed showing air silencer, throttle linkage, filter capacitor, etc.
Fig. 2. Port side of E-TEC 150; cowling removed. Starter motor, oil pump, and oil distribution lines visible.
Fig. 3. Stern side of E-TEC 150; six spark coils visible. Blue clamp is a shipping clamp required to seal lines.
Fig. 4. Close-up of cylinder head and injectors on starboard side of block.
Fig. 5. Cowling--an honest-to-gosh production 150-HP E-TEC
Where is the Engine Management Module (EMM)? Fig. 6. Top View showing EMM and flywheel; shroud has been removed. |
jimh |
posted 01-07-2006 08:15 PM ET (US)
Thanks to dealer our correspondent for these pictures. |
fourdfish |
posted 01-07-2006 09:21 PM ET (US)
Wow-- the EMM is much smaller than the larger engines and they changed the location. It also looks like the large canister fuel filter has been replaced by a small in line fuel filter? Fuel injectors look identical. |
jimh |
posted 01-07-2006 11:12 PM ET (US)
With the 60-degree V6 block, there must not have been room for the EMM to fit between the cylinders. |
kingbuster |
posted 01-08-2006 12:20 AM ET (US)
The EMM has always been on top on these 150/175 V-6's. Also it still has the vapor canister/electric fuel pump,it's located below the ignition coils for cyl. #5&6.If you look real close you can see the top of the vapor canister/electric fuel pump in the last picture. |
kingbuster |
posted 01-08-2006 12:28 AM ET (US)
I stand corrected in my last post, you can see the top of the vapor canister in FIG.# 4, not in the last picture as I stated. |
seahorse |
posted 01-08-2006 03:31 AM ET (US)
The E-TEC EMM's are all the same size. It must be the angle of the picture that makes it look smaller. I did notice that is has the 200-225-250 starter that has been around since 1986 on the big block motors, and not the 2 piece one used in earlier 60 degree motors. The blue capacitor is used on the 55 volt circuit (40 volt circuit on FICHT and Evinrude DI) to "cushion" the voltage spikes and help provide peak energy when the injectors fire. The electric fuel pump, pressure regulator, and vapor separator tank assembly is just ahead of and below the yellow tag in the photos. I like the idea of using a clear filter to see any contaminants in the system, just like on the smaller E-TECs. |
fourdfish |
posted 01-08-2006 09:57 AM ET (US)
kingbuster--I was refering to the fuel/water separator screw-off filter canister not the vapor canister. seahorse--I guess it is hard to judge the size of the EMM from the the picture. I guess the clear fuel filter can be unscrewed to change the element because the clamps are the more permanent type. The whole setup seems even more compact and tighter than the larger engines. |
seahorse |
posted 01-08-2006 10:11 AM ET (US)
The filter is a replaceable assembly, it does not want to come apart very easily. :) The hoses are held by those infamous Oetiker clamps that every dealer hates, but manufactures love because they install quickly and provide a 360 degrees seal. |
kingfish |
posted 01-08-2006 10:25 AM ET (US)
Seahorse- Are those Oetiker clamps the single-usage type band clamp that requires a special tool to apply? Have to be bent or cut to remove? John |
kingbuster |
posted 01-08-2006 11:34 AM ET (US)
Good to see that they done away the spin-on fuel filter and housing assembly,I wonder if they omitted the H2O senor also. |
Peter |
posted 01-08-2006 11:54 AM ET (US)
I was wondering about the same thing. |
fourdfish |
posted 01-08-2006 12:06 PM ET (US)
kingbuster-- Doing away with that filter is a "good-bad" thing as far as I'm concerned, but I have a Racor on my boat already so I guess I'm probably duplicating it anyway! It does not seem to affect the fuel flow! Maybe Seahorse can tell me what he thinks! |
jimh |
posted 01-08-2006 12:14 PM ET (US)
No complaints about Oetiker, please. They're a fine Michigan manufacturing company. It is the Euro-sounding name that is probably saving them. Customers probably think they're ordering from some European boutique manufacturer. :-) Plus, everything you ever wanted to know about Oetiker clamps: |
seahorse |
posted 01-08-2006 05:52 PM ET (US)
Fourdfish, The big block V6's still use the spin on fuel filter with the water sensor. It looks like the 60 degree blocks and the inline motors will have the clear filter that is replaceable. At least you can see into it in case there is any water or debris inside. Having a boat mounted filter is always a good idea for all makes and models of outboards. The Oetiker clamps work well and are easy to install. You should use the factory tool, but a pair of "end nippers" or side cutters will work OK for installation. Removing them from a hose over a plastic nipple is a bit of a trial as you cannot put much pressure on the fitting while trying to pop up the strap or cut thru the crimped area. In cramped quarters, they are a pain to remove. They cost a few bucks each unless you have a Yamaha and then they are around $7.
The E-TEC is marketed toward possible 4-stroke buyers, so that is why the DVD's feature them as competitors. How come Merc does not advertise and promote the performance comparisons showing fuel economy differences, and speed differences between OptiMax and Verado? |
kingfish |
posted 01-09-2006 04:48 PM ET (US)
JimH- Just came back to this thread and I see that you straightened me out on my question to seahorse about *Oetiker* clamps - thank you! They are the single usage types that require a special tool as I had thought, and they are made in the small town in the thumb of Michigan where Katie grew up. Marlette had the only stop light in the county for the longest time - that's probably changed by now, but not by much, I'll bet. Back to the show- John |
jimh |
posted 01-19-2006 08:45 PM ET (US)
The latest word on the long-awaited Evinrude E-TEC V6 150-HP engines: they will begin shipping production engines the last week of January, 2006, for delivery to dealers. If your local dealer had an engine on order, he should have it by the first week of February. There will be a bonus for the long wait: all of the V4 E-TEC 115/130-HP motors, and all of the V6 E-TEC 150/175/200-HP will be model year 2007 motors. The boating industry normally makes a model year (MY) change in July, so rather than ship its customers MY2006 motor with the model year more than half over, Bombardier will give its customers a bit of a bonus and deliver MY2007 motors several months early. |
LHG |
posted 01-19-2006 09:08 PM ET (US)
NOW, Jim, for the REST OF THE STORY! Because seven months of the 2006 model year has already passed, and because it will be eight months into it before a boat builder gets any pre-rigged boats to dealers, they could be in the situation that Yamaha and Mercury are trying to avoid: 2006 engine inventory getting installed on 2007 boats. The public seems to not respond to that situation well. This is just another way to deal with this problem. So the easy solution, is to just call all engines delivered this late 2007's. My guess is that now all manufacturers will try to get rid of model year designations. Normally, and in the "old" days, the new engine models were shipped just about the time they showed up at the Miami show, or even beforehand, so a customer could immediately go out and buy one. Now days, they lead the consumer on and have them licking their chops until they can ACTUALLY get the engine out, which gives everyone the impression they are in the market with new technology, when in fact, they are not. Mercury did this with the "hollow" Verado, Yamaha did it with the 225 4-stroke (used it to win an award and never got that model year out), and Evinrude has done it here with the V-4's and 150's, introducing them a full year ago in Miami, but unable to deliver actual product until the 2006 Miami show. Nobody still has answered my question as to why they are a year late, and I know there are people here who know. |
crashq |
posted 01-27-2006 07:22 AM ET (US)
Has anybody seen a test of these motors? I am interested in the sound levels they emit at throttle and high speed. |
jimh |
posted 01-27-2006 09:40 AM ET (US)
Well, it is now the last week of January. Have any dealers received E-TEC 150-HP motors? I read somewhere that part of the delay was the testing and certification of emission levels was taking time. |
bsmotril |
posted 01-27-2006 11:30 AM ET (US)
I did see two of them installed on Boats at the Austin Boat Show two weeks ago. It was right next to a Honda 150 and was just a few inches taller than the Honda. I can't remember the brand boat, it was a bay fishing style boat. Motors had the white body and cowl. BillS |
fourdfish |
posted 01-27-2006 09:59 PM ET (US)
Just got back from west central Fl! While down there I had a discussion with a large ETEC dealer. He told me his factory rep said the hold up has been with a change in parts and parts suppliers. He said when BRP changed some parts suppliers they had to resubmit for recertification like Jim said. This has held up these engines, however he did say they are on the way and should start delivery shortly. He had a large stock of the other HP engines and said sales is picking up on the ETECs. All the manufactures have this same problem. As most know all these engines have parts from all over and quality is always an issue. Actually, I do not think it is bad to see these engines come out later than sooner. Better to get any bugs out before widespred distribution. However some are waiting for them and are getting impatient. |
jimh |
posted 01-27-2006 10:26 PM ET (US)
The kingfish sent these images from the Toronto Boat Show, where the new Evinrude E-TEC 150-HP 60-degree V6 Ultra-Low Emission outboard was on display: |
smw |
posted 01-29-2006 01:13 PM ET (US)
[Reports seeing an] E-TEC TV ad [which included a sales incentive]. [For details of this sales incentive, please consult the manufacturer. A listing of all known sales incentives in effect is available.--jimh.] |
jimh |
posted 02-14-2006 08:51 PM ET (US)
Here it is, the middle of February, and those E-TEC 150-HP motors are still very slowly, very slowly, starting to appear. I had a chance to take a close look at one today before it heads to the Detroit Boat Show. On the official ID sticker I noted: Power = 111.9 kW That translates to Power = 150.06 HP I mention this because it is my experience that these metric dimensions are often stated more accurately than the usual avoirdupois numbers used in the catalogues. |
hookum |
posted 02-14-2006 10:36 PM ET (US)
[Speculates on sales incentive]. [For details of this sales incentive, please consult the manufacturer. A listing of all known sales incentives in effect is available.--jimh.] hookum |
whalersailer |
posted 02-15-2006 10:11 AM ET (US)
Jim, Did you get a chance to pull the cowling off? There were a couple of the 150's at the Minneapolis boat show last month, but when I asked to pull the cowlings off, I was told that there were no powerheads in them - they were just for show. -WS |
kingfish |
posted 02-15-2006 10:21 AM ET (US)
Whalersailor- Look above these posts in this thread - the photos JimH took of the 150 with the white cowling (off) and the photos I took of the 150 with the blue cowling (off) were both real live motors, in real time. John |
andygere |
posted 02-15-2006 11:16 AM ET (US)
The 150 h.p. sightings are good news. Has anyone seen the 2.6 liter 200 at any of the more recent boat shows? |
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