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gss036 posted 02-19-2006 12:45 AM ET (US)   Profile for gss036   Send Email to gss036  
I see advertisements for the Mercury Verado Pacemaker. Is that a special version or model. I am not all that familiar with the Verado engine, mostly what I read here. There price is sure cheap. They are quoting a 250 HP 30-inch shaft motor for $12,000. Does that seem realistic?
rtk posted 02-19-2006 08:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for rtk  Send Email to rtk     
I have read they are used motors sold "certified" by Mercury.

Rich

glen e posted 02-19-2006 08:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for glen e  Send Email to glen e     
I discussed this yesterday with executives from Mercury. The PACEMAKER VERADO are engines that get used by Mercury for promotional purposes. They are not engines that have been used for profession fishing activity, but have been used by the press, used as display in an event like a boat show, and general anything that Mercury breaks out of the crate and uses for sales and promotion. They have not been beat or flogged. Overall a pretty good deal if you can find them.
jimh posted 02-19-2006 09:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
If Glen's description is accurate, Mercury ought to consider changing the name to something other than "pacemaker." Prior to just hearing about this new meaning, it was my understanding that a "pacemaker" engine meant it had been give a new "heart", as in a new or re-built power head.

If these Pacemaker Verado engines are just ones that have been sitting around a boat show for a week, they would be good bargains.

It also seem extremely curious that a Mercury Pacemaker engine is NOT eligible for their extended protection plan. Let me quote from the Mercury website regarding their protection plan and what engines are eligible:

Cf.: http://sites.mercurymarine.com/portal/page?_pageid=124,46327,124_46345& _dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL
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Eligible Products: Product which is new (not more than 10 hours of use and previously unregistered) and selected MotorGuide product which is new, never used, and previously unregistered (serial number beginning with 9BXXXXXX). In addition, Product which has been manufactured in the current calendar year and four immediately preceding years and registered in our warranty system in the United States. New Mercury, Mariner, Jet Drives, MerCruiser gasoline and diesel engines, MerCruiser Sterndrive/Inboard packages, MerCruiser complete engines only (used to repower vessel), diesel engines and selected Mercury Outboard Racing models registered in our warranty system. Contact an Authorized Mercury Outboard Racing Dealer or MotorGuide Servicing Dealer for a list of the eligible Products.

Non-Eligible Products and Uses:

--Engine products with less than one year standard warranty.
Racing and Hi-Performance Products, regardless of length of warranty period, with the exception of selected models.
--MotorGuide Products, regardless of length of warranty period, with the exception of selected models.
--Pacemaker engines
--Products used commercially and/or products used to generate revenue in any manner.
--Products which have been modified or altered from their original production configuration are not eligible for Mercury Product Protection. The addition or replacement of parts or accessories not approved by us or which are not installed by an authorized Mercury/MotorGuide dealer will be cause for your Mercury Product Protection to be cancelled.
--Products used by local, State, or Federal Government or volunteer agencies.
--Any application using three or more engines as the main power source on the same watercraft, unless watercraft was specifically designed for three engines and is not used for racing or commercial application.
--Four-cycle longblocks/powerheads, two-cycle powerheads, transmissions, jet pumps, or sterndrive assemblies that are purchased separately to replace worn out or damaged assemblies. Exception: New complete MerCruiser engines only used to repower vessel.
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If a Verado Pacemaker is just an engine that sat on a stand at a boat show for a week, I have to ask why it is not eligible for the protection plan under the provision that says:

"Product which is new (not more than ten hours of use and previously unregistered)"

Yet you can get an extended warranty on a racing engine. Seems odd.

Teak Oil posted 02-19-2006 12:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
How can anyone assume the motors have not been beaten on?

If a motor is given to the press for testing, whats the first thing they do? See how fast it will go! I would think they would run the motor through the ringer a lot more than a new buyer would if he/she had just bought the motor new

sosmerc posted 02-19-2006 12:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for sosmerc  Send Email to sosmerc     
Many years ago when I worked for Mercury dealers and went to the factory training programs, "pacemakers" were the engines that were used at schools for training. They often were made available to dealers at the end of the year. Some of these motors had been taken apart and re-assembled MANY times by the folks that were "learning". Anyone buying one of those engines would have been wise to tear it down and start over. However, it sounds like Merc is now applying the term "pacemaker" to a larger, more varied group of engines.
Backfire posted 02-19-2006 11:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backfire  Send Email to Backfire     
Kinda makes sense when the full court press is on to sell engines. Got some new carb motors here, got some demo motors there, whoa Dude, we got some scratch and dent over there, hey, got some just fished once behind here, did I mention we got some reconditioned?-got 2 new pistons-even welded up broken skeg-half price, you really want a deal?,
got some Lake X engines less than 90 days old with less than 2000 hours-not much less. Look for your Merc district sales manager with cat'o 9 tails whelps and a 5 gallon pail
BEN-GAY.
Backfire
glen e posted 02-20-2006 04:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for glen e  Send Email to glen e     
Good - I think we've established that again Merc is trying to screw us - No one should buy these engines at a substantial discount....
Backlash posted 02-20-2006 08:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
I agree that "Pacemaker" is an unfortunate name to label these engines with, but they are probably a good deal for someone. Afterall, can't the engine history be checked via the ECM to see how much (if any) flogging had gone on?
BOB KEMMLER JR posted 02-20-2006 09:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for BOB KEMMLER JR    
you think any companies DEMO units are treated any differently?Thats why you get a savings over a regular production engine,anyone with a fragment of common sense knows this.
jimh posted 02-20-2006 10:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Some time ago I inquired with my local dealer about the availability of Mercury Pacemaker engines (but not particularly a Verado). I had been talking to a Mercury representative (at a Boston Whaler dealer event) who had told me about this program, and he seemed rather positive in his comments about the engines. I was correspondingly enthusiastic about the possibility of getting an engine at a discount--well, aren't we all--and the Pacemaker program seemed like a good way to do that. I asked my local dealer about it.

The dealer, however, was not so enthusiastic about the Pacemaker engine. He explained that these became available from time to time, and he could put in a "bid" for them--I think that was how he explained the process. But the dealer was not particularly encouraging about selling me one. In retrospect, I can see his point of view. As a dealer, he would certainly prefer to sell a new product with a full warranty, and sell at a full retail price.

I also got widely varying accounts of the typical history of an engine I might get in the Pacemaker program. The most favorable version described the engines as being hardly used, completely refurbished, gone over with a fine-toothed comb, carefully returned to new condition, etc. Less favorable accounts described the products as being given a cursory inspection, cleaned up, tested, and re-package for shipment. These stories tended to align themselves with the tellers. If the teller was a Mercury employee, the engines were always hardly used, carefully checked, and great bargains. If the teller was a Mercury independent dealer, the engines were ones that had blown up and were replaced under warranty or run hard for a season at a fishing camp, given a good clean-up, and covered by a limited warranty, thus caveat emptor.

If you give this situation a little thought, you see that each version of the story has the teller's self interest well represented. At the corporate level, if you have truckloads of engines that you have taken back from customers for various reasons, or engine the company has used itself in promotion, and you need to re-sell these engines, it is natural to put the word out to prospective end-users that these are great deals and terrific bargains. On the other hand, if you are a dealer trying to make a living from selling engines, you probably do not embrace the concept of your supplier sponsoring an alternative distribution channel in which the customer can pay far less than retail and get a completely equivalent product.

I really don't know which version of the story is the most accurate. What I do know is that if you search all the available information on the Mercury website regarding the word "pacemaker", the above document (or ones similar to it) are about all you find. Maybe the pacemaker program is a secret deal mentioned only to insiders, and it represents a fantastic way to get a new engine at far less than retail from a dealer. One easy way to find out is for someone who has purchased a Pacemaker engine to give an account of his experience.

LHG posted 02-20-2006 12:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Jim - I know sombody who bought a Merc 40 4-stroke Pacemaker and had no problems at all with it. I'll see if I can get him to post his experience.

I tend to agree with you that these special engine deals are for "insiders" or people that have a good relationship with a Dealer. You do have to put in an "order", and be prepared to wait. So the system doesn't always work for everyone. But for re-powering a used Whaler, this seems to make more sense than putting a brand new engine on it.

As an example, those triple 300XS Optimax being demonstrated at the Miami show could very well end up as Pacemakers?

linust posted 02-20-2006 08:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for linust  Send Email to linust     
My understanding is the Pacemaker term applies to anything Mercury sends out the door "other than new."

The 225 Opti powering my 22' Revenge WT WD is a Pacemaker...2002 model year, installed in Jan '04. When I got it, it had 36 hours on the clock--unless they replaced the ECU. There is evidence the engine was installed on a moored boat (water marks on the mounting bracket). I have had no issues with this motor. The price difference was substantial over a new '04 model.

LHG posted 02-20-2006 08:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
Linust - Could you give us some top end speed and approximate cruise economy. Do you have Smartcraft installed?
jimh posted 02-20-2006 08:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Move that to PERFORMANCE, please.
linust posted 02-24-2006 02:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for linust  Send Email to linust     
Jim--
The info is already in Performance ;) ...

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/002306.html

davidmotes posted 10-09-2009 07:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for davidmotes  Send Email to davidmotes     
I work for a merc dealer and I have had no complaints on the pscemaker engines....They are the right fit for some people. I have nemerous verados for sale and have had no problems selling. Most of the time it's to small dealers.

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