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Boatplans posted 06-22-2006 05:38 PM ET (US)   Profile for Boatplans   Send Email to Boatplans  
As Binkie has proven, there are many Boston Whaler 13 footers in existance. Nearly every owner has a favorite combination of boat and engine. It is time we found out which is the best and the fastest. Racing improves the breed because it is so objective. It provides a way to prove the best setup for a particular purpose.

How much interest is out there in formal racing for Boston Whaler 13 footers? Has this been done before? It would be my vision to race Whaler 13s in the style of British Seagull Racing as illustrated on at least two web sites. John

blkmtrfan posted 06-22-2006 06:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for blkmtrfan  Send Email to blkmtrfan     
If you just want to know the fastest, Eveyone could back up there claims with a GPS photo.

But what modifications are allowed, must the bottom be stock?

PeteB88 posted 06-22-2006 10:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
I'm in!!!!!!! Ya baby YA!!!!
Boatplans posted 06-22-2006 10:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Boatplans  Send Email to Boatplans     
My preferance is no rules except style.
an86carrera posted 06-22-2006 10:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for an86carrera  Send Email to an86carrera     
I'm in also but it's gonna take a little while and I hope this thread does not get cancelled before we get all the results in. No photoshop!!!! the photos will be scrutinized.
runpasthefence posted 06-23-2006 02:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for runpasthefence  Send Email to runpasthefence     
I think this would be an really fun addition to a rendezvous. Maybe an anual 13' race.
I would say have the whole group race, but post results in 2 different classes: stock and modified. Stock meaning, stock bottom, foam intact, and maybe even a horsepower limit. Modified would include whatever you can muster.

I think I'd buy one just to participate...

blkmtrfan posted 06-23-2006 08:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for blkmtrfan  Send Email to blkmtrfan     
Rendezvous races,

What are you thinking, roundy rounds, drag racing, marathon, or all three?

project13 posted 06-23-2006 09:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for project13  Send Email to project13     
I would feel pretty comfortable going against more folks in the stock class. Will try and get GPS reading this weekend.
ledfoot posted 06-24-2006 12:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for ledfoot  Send Email to ledfoot     
This is the best post in a long time!
PeteB88 posted 06-24-2006 05:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
You know, I think the Gougeon Brothers or one of them and one of the engineers have an annual Spring BW 13 race on the Saginaw River in Mich last one buys the beer or something. I have seen a low resolution photo of this somewhere - definitely in Gougeon lit somewhere (West Sytems Inc) I will look for it.
Boatplans posted 06-24-2006 07:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Boatplans  Send Email to Boatplans     
It is a private race.
devildog posted 06-24-2006 08:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for devildog  Send Email to devildog     
Pete,
That photo and description of the race with the West Systems guys is on this site, I think.

Jeff

devildog posted 06-24-2006 08:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for devildog  Send Email to devildog     
Boatplans,
Great idea. Makes me want to get a 13. I spent a lot of time skiing behind a 13 as a kid.

andygere posted 06-24-2006 09:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Whaler 13 racing has been going on for a long time. In every marsh, bay, sound, lake, river or pond where 2 kids have a 13 foot Whaler, there has been racing going on. In fact, this is not limited to kids, but it definitely happens a lot. My 40 h.p. Mercury/'72 Sport 13 did pretty well on Little Pleasant Bay in its day, beating a number of Evinrude 35's and Yamaha 40's over the years.
PeteB88 posted 06-24-2006 10:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
I'm in for the 13 races - HOWEVER

How about 11.5 races - Armstrong power - oars only?

I am ready -

BOB KEMMLER JR posted 06-25-2006 08:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for BOB KEMMLER JR    
I guess it's time to park the 15 for a couple weeks and play with the 13 lol
Binkie posted 06-25-2006 10:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Binkie  Send Email to Binkie     
I`d bet jimh would be glad to put up the cash and the trophys for the winners, and the insurance money to boot.
pglein posted 06-26-2006 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
If it was me, I'd set up a two buoy, one nautical mile, loop course with one upwind leg and one downwind, with lets say 10 laps, and a jackrabbit start. Ideally, you'd have about a 6" chop with 5-10 knots of wind.
snookwhaler posted 06-27-2006 08:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for snookwhaler  Send Email to snookwhaler     
This is a great idea.

It is also a great opportunity to meet with other owners and see what really works and what does'nt. Especially in regards to engine size, engine weight, prop pitch, weight and balance etc....

I'm in.....

AJ

Draftmanswife posted 06-29-2006 12:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Draftmanswife  Send Email to Draftmanswife     
So, are girls allowed are are ya'll skeered...:)
Janis
jflots posted 06-29-2006 01:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for jflots  Send Email to jflots     
Watch out. Draftsmans wife is really fast!
Whaler_bob posted 06-29-2006 01:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whaler_bob    
How about racing those little 7 foot mini hydroplanes?
I had one as a teenager…. It knew all the tricks; chine walking, porpoising, catching air, and the main attraction… engine flying off the transom at high speed!
You never knew exactly what would happen to you on any particular outing. In that little boat, a crash helmet was not an option, it was as vital as the steering wheel. Now that little boat gets your pulse and adrenaline going. Throw a 9.9 or 15 on the back and the thrills (and spills…heheheh) are unlimited!
Compared to the mini hydro, racing the 13 Whaler is like driving the family station wagon down to the local 7-Eleven for the Sunday paper.
PeteB88 posted 06-30-2006 10:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Hydros could be a alternative class - we're talking whalers here.

I say we race on a variety of courses, perhaps by HP classes or whatever as long as it's not too complicated. Maybe we can add wake jumping and, in the spirit of logger competitions, we can get an older hull, turn it over and have flip it back up competitions - singles and teams. Perhaps we do a long "deliver the food . . . or serum" run requiring navigation maybe 50 miles like the Ididarod. Or rescue classes.

Maybe even Navy Seals classes at night with paint ball guns - sneak up on the beach, infiltrate "enemy" camps. What do you think of that Knot at Work?

Or maybe we do a "Try and Keep Up With the Big Boys" event like Buckda in his 15 chasing Outrages across Lake Huron.

I think we should have an "Armstrong Class" - racing 11.5s with oars only. Maybe a Trolling Motor class.

Perhaps we do a hog line deal - how many 13s can we lash together gunwhale to gunwhale for fishing, beers and food?

When and where? Us Michigan 13'ers should do the World's First 13 Regatta or whatever.

CaptanMason posted 07-18-2006 12:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for CaptanMason  Send Email to CaptanMason     
I have a 13 with a merc 85hp short shaft,

I can easily outrun most PWC with three guys and all our fishing gear.

The only problem I have is that the boat will twist to the left at sustained full throttle. It has an old nylon stabilizer but was looking for something better.

Any suggestions,

CaptanMason

HuronBob posted 07-18-2006 01:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for HuronBob    
"Any suggestions?"....

Pay your life insurance premium on time....

sraab928 posted 07-18-2006 04:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
A 13 with an 85??? Wow - I bet Mr. Kemmler wouldn't even do that! But then again.......
BOB KEMMLER JR posted 07-18-2006 04:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for BOB KEMMLER JR    
Yea i wouldn't run much more than a 3cyl omc on a 13.CaptanMason,get some pics of that baby in action,or better yet some video footage.I know there's a bunch of guys on here who would get a kick out of seeing that.I have some pics of a old 13 footer with a mercury Dockbuster on it,i think they were like 75hp or so.
CaptanMason posted 07-18-2006 05:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for CaptanMason  Send Email to CaptanMason     
Well,

been running the hell out of her for 20 years in the same configuration with no problems. The boat can take it. I will say that it supercedes the human limits in some cases but the boat is fine. Even in rough water or cruising I am at 50% throttle and burning very little fuel. Load her up with gear, coolers, men, and fish and she doesn't even notice. The boat floats a little low in the stern but that little whaler is such a stable platform it doesn't really matter. You guys don't even realize just how tough those boats really are.

So I thought you guys wanted to race........Now that you know where the bar is set you sound scared. A contest of speed in any motorsports is inherently dangerous at any level. If you guys are serious about racing limiting risks should be a concern but it will never be eliminated. There will always be plenty guys like me that will show up in something faster and faster. It's always the same story no matter if it is boats or lawn mowers. You guys should be concerned about safety. This discussion should include corner workers, paramedics, tow boats etc. Then maybe divide the boats into two classes (13' up to a certain displacement) and unlimited. This will keep the fields level with the smaller class more affordable.

I am a safe respectful boater who happens to have a fast boat when I want it to be.

My Whaler is faster than yours........

Welcome Race Fans

RJG posted 07-18-2006 05:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for RJG  Send Email to RJG     
Captan
Didn't you have that boat for sale last year?
Binkie posted 07-18-2006 08:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Binkie  Send Email to Binkie     
Hey CaptanMason,
I like your style, maybe we`ll get to race our 13 foot Whalers next year, but mine at this point is only a plan, and the boat is sitting upside down on its trailer. The interior is complete and sitting in my spare bedroom. The boat basically only needs a fresh coat of Awlgrip. Its a `61 model, and light as a cork, and will be powered by a mid `60s 3cyl 75hp McCulloch short shaft,which is much lighter than your 85 Merc. Two people can easilly lift it and set it on the transom. Basically the problem with all 13 footers, if your looking for speed, is that the boat was designed with a hooked bottom. The bottom is straight from 4 feet back from the bow, and when you get to about 2 1/2 feet from the stern it starts to turn down, and there is about a 5/8" downturn (hook) just at the edge of the stern. Its like the dive brakes on an airplane wing.It would be the fastest and most efficiant if the bottom was completely flat. I`m sure Ray Hunt had his reasons when he designed this boat, as he was the premier of boat desiners for probably all time. Could it be that the boat was prone to porpoiseing, or did he want it to plane easilly with a small motor. A hook will acomplish both those things. He probably wasn`t looking for speed, he had his sucessful deep Vs for that.
My plan is to remove the hook. I could do it by just grinding it off at the transom, and then reglassing the area, or by building a pad starting about 3 feet from the transom and running up to the hook, so the boat will ride on the pad at speed. It would start at zero and level out at about 5/8" same height as the hook. The fact is if it doesn`t work I might ruin a good hull. I don`t claim to be a professional boat designer. I wonder if anyone on the forum is. His imput would be welcomed.

So like you say, someone will be sure to show up with something faster, and mine might just be faster than your.

Rich

runpasthefence posted 07-19-2006 02:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for runpasthefence  Send Email to runpasthefence     
We have removed the hook from 3 13' Whalers in the past year. One with a 70hp OMC and two with 50hp Yamaha's. Unfortunately no GPS speeds and none of the owners post on this site.

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