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Boston Whaler 13 Racing
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posted 06-22-2006 05:38 PM ET (US)
As Binkie has proven, there are many Boston Whaler 13 footers in existance. Nearly every owner has a favorite combination of boat and engine. It is time we found out which is the best and the fastest. Racing improves the breed because it is so objective. It provides a way to prove the best setup for a particular purpose.
How much interest is out there in formal racing for Boston Whaler 13 footers? Has this been done before? It would be my vision to race Whaler 13s in the style of British Seagull Racing as illustrated on at least two web sites. John
posted 06-22-2006 06:48 PM ET (US)
If you just want to know the fastest, Eveyone could back up there claims with a GPS photo.
But what modifications are allowed, must the bottom be stock?
posted 06-22-2006 10:13 PM ET (US)
I'm in!!!!!!! Ya baby YA!!!!
posted 06-22-2006 10:43 PM ET (US)
My preferance is no rules except style.
posted 06-22-2006 10:45 PM ET (US)
I'm in also but it's gonna take a little while and I hope this thread does not get cancelled before we get all the results in. No photoshop!!!! the photos will be scrutinized.
posted 06-23-2006 02:22 AM ET (US)
I think this would be an really fun addition to a rendezvous. Maybe an anual 13' race.
I would say have the whole group race, but post results in 2 different classes: stock and modified. Stock meaning, stock bottom, foam intact, and maybe even a horsepower limit. Modified would include whatever you can muster.
I think I'd buy one just to participate...
posted 06-23-2006 08:55 AM ET (US)
What are you thinking, roundy rounds, drag racing, marathon, or all three?
posted 06-23-2006 09:09 AM ET (US)
I would feel pretty comfortable going against more folks in the stock class. Will try and get GPS reading this weekend.
posted 06-24-2006 12:51 AM ET (US)
This is the best post in a long time!
posted 06-24-2006 05:48 PM ET (US)
You know, I think the Gougeon Brothers or one of them and one of the engineers have an annual Spring BW 13 race on the Saginaw River in Mich last one buys the beer or something. I have seen a low resolution photo of this somewhere - definitely in Gougeon lit somewhere (West Sytems Inc) I will look for it.
posted 06-24-2006 07:39 PM ET (US)
It is a private race.
posted 06-24-2006 08:40 PM ET (US)
That photo and description of the race with the West Systems guys is on this site, I think.
posted 06-24-2006 08:42 PM ET (US)
Great idea. Makes me want to get a 13. I spent a lot of time skiing behind a 13 as a kid.
posted 06-24-2006 09:19 PM ET (US)
Whaler 13 racing has been going on for a long time. In every marsh, bay, sound, lake, river or pond where 2 kids have a 13 foot Whaler, there has been racing going on. In fact, this is not limited to kids, but it definitely happens a lot. My 40 h.p. Mercury/'72 Sport 13 did pretty well on Little Pleasant Bay in its day, beating a number of Evinrude 35's and Yamaha 40's over the years.
posted 06-24-2006 10:43 PM ET (US)
I'm in for the 13 races - HOWEVER
How about 11.5 races - Armstrong power - oars only?
I am ready -
|BOB KEMMLER JR||
posted 06-25-2006 08:59 PM ET (US)
I guess it's time to park the 15 for a couple weeks and play with the 13 lol
posted 06-25-2006 10:13 PM ET (US)
I`d bet jimh would be glad to put up the cash and the trophys for the winners, and the insurance money to boot.
posted 06-26-2006 01:50 PM ET (US)
If it was me, I'd set up a two buoy, one nautical mile, loop course with one upwind leg and one downwind, with lets say 10 laps, and a jackrabbit start. Ideally, you'd have about a 6" chop with 5-10 knots of wind.
posted 06-27-2006 08:00 PM ET (US)
This is a great idea.
It is also a great opportunity to meet with other owners and see what really works and what does'nt. Especially in regards to engine size, engine weight, prop pitch, weight and balance etc....
posted 06-29-2006 12:28 PM ET (US)
So, are girls allowed are are ya'll skeered...:)
posted 06-29-2006 01:05 PM ET (US)
Watch out. Draftsmans wife is really fast!
posted 06-29-2006 01:06 PM ET (US)
How about racing those little 7 foot mini hydroplanes?
I had one as a teenager…. It knew all the tricks; chine walking, porpoising, catching air, and the main attraction… engine flying off the transom at high speed!
You never knew exactly what would happen to you on any particular outing. In that little boat, a crash helmet was not an option, it was as vital as the steering wheel. Now that little boat gets your pulse and adrenaline going. Throw a 9.9 or 15 on the back and the thrills (and spills…heheheh) are unlimited!
Compared to the mini hydro, racing the 13 Whaler is like driving the family station wagon down to the local 7-Eleven for the Sunday paper.
posted 06-30-2006 10:25 AM ET (US)
Hydros could be a alternative class - we're talking whalers here.
I say we race on a variety of courses, perhaps by HP classes or whatever as long as it's not too complicated. Maybe we can add wake jumping and, in the spirit of logger competitions, we can get an older hull, turn it over and have flip it back up competitions - singles and teams. Perhaps we do a long "deliver the food . . . or serum" run requiring navigation maybe 50 miles like the Ididarod. Or rescue classes.
Maybe even Navy Seals classes at night with paint ball guns - sneak up on the beach, infiltrate "enemy" camps. What do you think of that Knot at Work?
Or maybe we do a "Try and Keep Up With the Big Boys" event like Buckda in his 15 chasing Outrages across Lake Huron.
I think we should have an "Armstrong Class" - racing 11.5s with oars only. Maybe a Trolling Motor class.
Perhaps we do a hog line deal - how many 13s can we lash together gunwhale to gunwhale for fishing, beers and food?
When and where? Us Michigan 13'ers should do the World's First 13 Regatta or whatever.
posted 07-18-2006 12:32 PM ET (US)
I have a 13 with a merc 85hp short shaft,
I can easily outrun most PWC with three guys and all our fishing gear.
The only problem I have is that the boat will twist to the left at sustained full throttle. It has an old nylon stabilizer but was looking for something better.
posted 07-18-2006 01:25 PM ET (US)
Pay your life insurance premium on time....
posted 07-18-2006 04:21 PM ET (US)
A 13 with an 85??? Wow - I bet Mr. Kemmler wouldn't even do that! But then again.......
|BOB KEMMLER JR||
posted 07-18-2006 04:38 PM ET (US)
Yea i wouldn't run much more than a 3cyl omc on a 13.CaptanMason,get some pics of that baby in action,or better yet some video footage.I know there's a bunch of guys on here who would get a kick out of seeing that.I have some pics of a old 13 footer with a mercury Dockbuster on it,i think they were like 75hp or so.
posted 07-18-2006 05:03 PM ET (US)
been running the hell out of her for 20 years in the same configuration with no problems. The boat can take it. I will say that it supercedes the human limits in some cases but the boat is fine. Even in rough water or cruising I am at 50% throttle and burning very little fuel. Load her up with gear, coolers, men, and fish and she doesn't even notice. The boat floats a little low in the stern but that little whaler is such a stable platform it doesn't really matter. You guys don't even realize just how tough those boats really are.
So I thought you guys wanted to race........Now that you know where the bar is set you sound scared. A contest of speed in any motorsports is inherently dangerous at any level. If you guys are serious about racing limiting risks should be a concern but it will never be eliminated. There will always be plenty guys like me that will show up in something faster and faster. It's always the same story no matter if it is boats or lawn mowers. You guys should be concerned about safety. This discussion should include corner workers, paramedics, tow boats etc. Then maybe divide the boats into two classes (13' up to a certain displacement) and unlimited. This will keep the fields level with the smaller class more affordable.
I am a safe respectful boater who happens to have a fast boat when I want it to be.
My Whaler is faster than yours........
Welcome Race Fans
posted 07-18-2006 05:13 PM ET (US)
Didn't you have that boat for sale last year?
posted 07-18-2006 08:03 PM ET (US)
I like your style, maybe we`ll get to race our 13 foot Whalers next year, but mine at this point is only a plan, and the boat is sitting upside down on its trailer. The interior is complete and sitting in my spare bedroom. The boat basically only needs a fresh coat of Awlgrip. Its a `61 model, and light as a cork, and will be powered by a mid `60s 3cyl 75hp McCulloch short shaft,which is much lighter than your 85 Merc. Two people can easilly lift it and set it on the transom. Basically the problem with all 13 footers, if your looking for speed, is that the boat was designed with a hooked bottom. The bottom is straight from 4 feet back from the bow, and when you get to about 2 1/2 feet from the stern it starts to turn down, and there is about a 5/8" downturn (hook) just at the edge of the stern. Its like the dive brakes on an airplane wing.It would be the fastest and most efficiant if the bottom was completely flat. I`m sure Ray Hunt had his reasons when he designed this boat, as he was the premier of boat desiners for probably all time. Could it be that the boat was prone to porpoiseing, or did he want it to plane easilly with a small motor. A hook will acomplish both those things. He probably wasn`t looking for speed, he had his sucessful deep Vs for that.
My plan is to remove the hook. I could do it by just grinding it off at the transom, and then reglassing the area, or by building a pad starting about 3 feet from the transom and running up to the hook, so the boat will ride on the pad at speed. It would start at zero and level out at about 5/8" same height as the hook. The fact is if it doesn`t work I might ruin a good hull. I don`t claim to be a professional boat designer. I wonder if anyone on the forum is. His imput would be welcomed.
So like you say, someone will be sure to show up with something faster, and mine might just be faster than your.
posted 07-19-2006 02:23 AM ET (US)
We have removed the hook from 3 13' Whalers in the past year. One with a 70hp OMC and two with 50hp Yamaha's. Unfortunately no GPS speeds and none of the owners post on this site.
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