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srax6 posted 01-30-2007 07:38 AM ET (US)
I have a 2006 225 E-TEC on my 1987 Outrage 22 and would like to replace my 1987 15-HP Johnson with a new Evinrude branded 15-HP engine so the power matches. I realize this may sound trivial but if I am buying a new motor I want the brands to match. Does anyone know if a 15 HP Evinrude E-TEC or 4 stroke is on the way? It seems odd to me that the only BRP 15-HP engine available is branded as a Johnson. Thanks.
Steve
andygere posted 01-31-2007 11:41 AM ET (US)
Two reputable Evinrude dealers have told me that the smaller E-TEC engines are in development, and will be manufactured down to 9.9-HP. The last date I heard was some time in late 2007 or early 2008, but the release date is very much a function of when CARB and EPA emissions compliance testing is completed. I would call the BRP customer service number to see if they have more information.
Jimh, do the folks at Lockeman's have any more current info on the small E-TEC's? They seem to be a good source for news on BRP products.
srax6 posted 01-31-2007 11:55 AM ET (US)
Thanks Andy, I guess I should have done that first. Just got off the phone with the BRP customer service rep who told me low HP models are in the works with a rollout for 2008. He said that the power range will go all the way down to 9.9 HP, as your source had said. Looks like I will wait until next year to upgrade my kicker. Interestingly, when I asked about Johnson he said that the brand will not be phased out, not sure what it's role will be but looks like it will soldier on.
Steve
tommetzner posted 12-13-2009 01:12 PM ET (US)
Can anyone share any information or credible rumors on the arrival of the E-Tec 9.9 and 15? Things have been very quite in the news since the release of the 25 and 30 last fall and we are looking to learn what we can about the developement of the smaller Etec engines. Thanks and Merry Christmas!
Hilinercc posted 12-14-2009 09:01 AM ET (US)
I spoke to some BRP Reps at the MACC conference last June, and inquired about the Johnson brand. They said BRP realizes thats still a "golden" marque with outboards, but the management's mentality is that they think it represents "old" technology. (which is a completely wrong way to look at it)
They further explained that they haven't decided what to do with it yet. I got the impression that they are looking to plaster this name on something unrealted to outboards, which would be stupid as it would lend them no brand leverage with anything else but a marine product.
The only thing that disturbed me about Bombardier buying J&E outboards was that they always had a reputation for making some very odd business decisions. (witness their 3 wheeled motorcycle). But to their credit, they did save Evvy and Johnson. Brunswick/Mercury was barred by a judge from purchasing the OMC assets, and we all know what would have become of them if they had succeeded. They'd be history.
seahorse posted 12-14-2009 09:04 AM ET (US)

quote:

Can anyone share any information or credible rumors on the arrival of the E-Tec 9.9 / 15?
Be patient, you'll be hearing more about the 15 HO in the coming months.
number9 posted 01-23-2010 06:08 AM ET (US)
FYI: 15 H.O. Fact Sheet
GSH posted 01-23-2010 06:28 AM ET (US)
Same displacement as the 30 hp E-tec? For real? Oh-my. Really not what I was hoping for. Portable, yes, right, very.--Seb
number9 posted 01-23-2010 07:46 AM ET (US)
Didn't notice that, subject to be a weighty issue.
Bill
seahorse posted 01-23-2010 08:45 AM ET (US)
According to the factory, the 15HO is not a lightweight portable motor. It is designed to be a kicker for larger Walleye, Multi-Species, Offshore, and NW salmon boats.
It also is a good small pontoon boat or large jon-boat powerplant, especially in restricted hp waters.
Buckda posted 01-23-2010 11:29 AM ET (US)
I have heard rumors that the 15HO is not really going to be competitive in weight - except, as mentioned, for pontoons, etc.
I do believe that they are closer to releasing the 9.9 - which will have both power tilt (perfect for kicker motor applications) and "battery-less" electric starting...Enough power stored in a capacitor on the starter motor for 5-10 seconds of cranking.
Just a rumor...and no firm dates yet. I have my eye on the 9.9 as a nice little motor, but agree, they can't do a detuned heavier block as they have for the 15 HO.
GSH posted 01-23-2010 11:35 AM ET (US)
So, Evinrude doesn't intend for this outboard to be portable... Instead, it's supposed to be a great kicker or good for pontoon boats?
Well, I'm sure many will be happy with this, but I'm not!
From my point of view, they could just as well have skipped doing a 15 hp E-tec, and if they do not get it to the EU martet in the next three-four years or so, I will not give a you-know-what!
I have a 1990 Evinrude 15 hp for our smaller boat, and after getting a 50 hp E-tec for the bigger one, the 15 hp is now up for replacemant within two to three years. But if this is what BRP thinks of the below 25 hp market, then I guess I'll have to shop for something else!
OK, now I'm done being negative.
-Seb
PS: Let me guess, blue model only? Sorry, I just had to. ;)
Buckda posted 01-23-2010 11:47 AM ET (US)
Seb -
Not that it matters to some, but I imagine that the next line will be 9.9 and 15 HP on the same, lighter block.
I don't think that the 15HO is really being pushed as a candidate for small, portable outboards - as I said -at about 170 lbs, it's probably fine for pontoon boats and perhaps a couple other applications.
I've been suprised at how long it has taken them to implement the E-TEC lineup to the smaller outputs, but I don't imagine that these motors are high margin items like the 250HO, etc. These are probably high-volume, low margin or break-even products that fill out the product lineup. Depending on the financial situation at BRP, that could be the holdup, or there could be some back negotiation with suppliers, etc.
Word is that they'll be made in the USA though - or at least, the company is trying to work that out.
Dave
GSH posted 01-23-2010 04:39 PM ET (US)
Dave, you are very likely to be right, there's no much money to be made from high-tec 9.5 - 15 hp outboards.
And I really cannot say how much more I myself would pay for a light E-tec 15 hp over the four-strokes now on the market. 5% more? 10%?
I know it is unlikely, but I would really like to see BRP make a new, smaller size EMM for the two and three cylinder models and new smaller injectors for cylinders making 20 hp or less. Some may say that having the same EMM and injectors on a model line-up from 25 hp in-line two cylinder motors up to 300 hp v-6:es is a good thing, but I don't support that view.
-Seb
GSH posted 01-25-2010 11:32 AM ET (US)
By the way, I've trying to find official information on BRP closing the factory in China (were the 25/30 hp Evinrudes were made), any pointers, please?
-Seb
gss036 posted 01-25-2010 06:37 PM ET (US)
This was copied from the below link, not real specific,but indicates they will mfg the engines in Wisconsin.
Boisjoli was surprised by the suddenness of the widespread downturn around the world, something he says hasn’t happened in 30 years. The problems were compounded by the lack of credit for dealers and consumers and the drop in consumer confidence. BRP responded by cutting production, reducing employment, consolidating operations, closing a marine manufacturing plant in China, helping dealers clean out inventory and buying back debt at a discount.
OUTLOOK FOR 2010. “In a situation like this, you need to focus,” Boisjoli says. “I need to choose my battles. We decided to invest in new products. We’ll continue to invest in the Spyder, and we’ll invest in the new SXS. Cash flow is not infinite; we need to be careful.” In March, BRP will begin small outboard engine production in Wisconsin.
http://www.motorcycleshows.com/motorcycleshows/BRP-Roars-Into-2010-with-New-Recreational-SXS/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/650200?ref=25
Don88outrage posted 02-02-2010 08:26 AM ET (US)
Hartford, Ct. boat show, 1/28/10. Atlantic Outboards, Westbrook, Ct. say they have a 15 HP E-Tec HO on their floor, their one of the largest Evenrude dealers in the north east.
Also notable, a first since I've been going, NO Boston Whalers at the show yet a Brunswick dealer displays their boat line up with Bayliners, is it getting that bad out there?
contender posted 02-02-2010 02:29 PM ET (US)
Miami Beach Boat Show in one week (Feb 11-17) I'll see if Evinruds/Johnson has/knows anything on the small outboards. If they have any paper work I will grab a copy and be happy to send it to you, just need an address, you can send it to my email...Take care
GSH posted 02-03-2010 03:36 PM ET (US)
GSS036, thank you for the link!
Contender, perhaps I misunderstand you, but in case you refer to my request for information: thank you, but I just couldn't ask you to send real document copies over here (unless your Finnish is good, then I'd perhaps have something to send you back one day)!
-Seb

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Author	Topic: Evinrude E-TEC 15-HP Speculation
srax6	posted 01-30-2007 07:38 AM ET (US) I have a 2006 225 E-TEC on my 1987 Outrage 22 and would like to replace my 1987 15-HP Johnson with a new Evinrude branded 15-HP engine so the power matches. I realize this may sound trivial but if I am buying a new motor I want the brands to match. Does anyone know if a 15 HP Evinrude E-TEC or 4 stroke is on the way? It seems odd to me that the only BRP 15-HP engine available is branded as a Johnson. Thanks. Steve
andygere	posted 01-31-2007 11:41 AM ET (US) Two reputable Evinrude dealers have told me that the smaller E-TEC engines are in development, and will be manufactured down to 9.9-HP. The last date I heard was some time in late 2007 or early 2008, but the release date is very much a function of when CARB and EPA emissions compliance testing is completed. I would call the BRP customer service number to see if they have more information. Jimh, do the folks at Lockeman's have any more current info on the small E-TEC's? They seem to be a good source for news on BRP products.
srax6	posted 01-31-2007 11:55 AM ET (US) Thanks Andy, I guess I should have done that first. Just got off the phone with the BRP customer service rep who told me low HP models are in the works with a rollout for 2008. He said that the power range will go all the way down to 9.9 HP, as your source had said. Looks like I will wait until next year to upgrade my kicker. Interestingly, when I asked about Johnson he said that the brand will not be phased out, not sure what it's role will be but looks like it will soldier on. Steve
tommetzner	posted 12-13-2009 01:12 PM ET (US) Can anyone share any information or credible rumors on the arrival of the E-Tec 9.9 and 15? Things have been very quite in the news since the release of the 25 and 30 last fall and we are looking to learn what we can about the developement of the smaller Etec engines. Thanks and Merry Christmas!
Hilinercc	posted 12-14-2009 09:01 AM ET (US) I spoke to some BRP Reps at the MACC conference last June, and inquired about the Johnson brand. They said BRP realizes thats still a "golden" marque with outboards, but the management's mentality is that they think it represents "old" technology. (which is a completely wrong way to look at it) They further explained that they haven't decided what to do with it yet. I got the impression that they are looking to plaster this name on something unrealted to outboards, which would be stupid as it would lend them no brand leverage with anything else but a marine product. The only thing that disturbed me about Bombardier buying J&E outboards was that they always had a reputation for making some very odd business decisions. (witness their 3 wheeled motorcycle). But to their credit, they did save Evvy and Johnson. Brunswick/Mercury was barred by a judge from purchasing the OMC assets, and we all know what would have become of them if they had succeeded. They'd be history.
seahorse	posted 12-14-2009 09:04 AM ET (US) quote: Can anyone share any information or credible rumors on the arrival of the E-Tec 9.9 / 15? Be patient, you'll be hearing more about the 15 HO in the coming months.
number9	posted 01-23-2010 06:08 AM ET (US) FYI: 15 H.O. Fact Sheet
GSH	posted 01-23-2010 06:28 AM ET (US) Same displacement as the 30 hp E-tec? For real? Oh-my. Really not what I was hoping for. Portable, yes, right, very.--Seb
number9	posted 01-23-2010 07:46 AM ET (US) Didn't notice that, subject to be a weighty issue. Bill
seahorse	posted 01-23-2010 08:45 AM ET (US) According to the factory, the 15HO is not a lightweight portable motor. It is designed to be a kicker for larger Walleye, Multi-Species, Offshore, and NW salmon boats. It also is a good small pontoon boat or large jon-boat powerplant, especially in restricted hp waters.
Buckda	posted 01-23-2010 11:29 AM ET (US) I have heard rumors that the 15HO is not really going to be competitive in weight - except, as mentioned, for pontoons, etc. I do believe that they are closer to releasing the 9.9 - which will have both power tilt (perfect for kicker motor applications) and "battery-less" electric starting...Enough power stored in a capacitor on the starter motor for 5-10 seconds of cranking. Just a rumor...and no firm dates yet. I have my eye on the 9.9 as a nice little motor, but agree, they can't do a detuned heavier block as they have for the 15 HO.
GSH	posted 01-23-2010 11:35 AM ET (US) So, Evinrude doesn't intend for this outboard to be portable... Instead, it's supposed to be a great kicker or good for pontoon boats? Well, I'm sure many will be happy with this, but I'm not! From my point of view, they could just as well have skipped doing a 15 hp E-tec, and if they do not get it to the EU martet in the next three-four years or so, I will not give a you-know-what! I have a 1990 Evinrude 15 hp for our smaller boat, and after getting a 50 hp E-tec for the bigger one, the 15 hp is now up for replacemant within two to three years. But if this is what BRP thinks of the below 25 hp market, then I guess I'll have to shop for something else! OK, now I'm done being negative. -Seb PS: Let me guess, blue model only? Sorry, I just had to. ;)
Buckda	posted 01-23-2010 11:47 AM ET (US) Seb - Not that it matters to some, but I imagine that the next line will be 9.9 and 15 HP on the same, lighter block. I don't think that the 15HO is really being pushed as a candidate for small, portable outboards - as I said -at about 170 lbs, it's probably fine for pontoon boats and perhaps a couple other applications. I've been suprised at how long it has taken them to implement the E-TEC lineup to the smaller outputs, but I don't imagine that these motors are high margin items like the 250HO, etc. These are probably high-volume, low margin or break-even products that fill out the product lineup. Depending on the financial situation at BRP, that could be the holdup, or there could be some back negotiation with suppliers, etc. Word is that they'll be made in the USA though - or at least, the company is trying to work that out. Dave
GSH	posted 01-23-2010 04:39 PM ET (US) Dave, you are very likely to be right, there's no much money to be made from high-tec 9.5 - 15 hp outboards. And I really cannot say how much more I myself would pay for a light E-tec 15 hp over the four-strokes now on the market. 5% more? 10%? I know it is unlikely, but I would really like to see BRP make a new, smaller size EMM for the two and three cylinder models and new smaller injectors for cylinders making 20 hp or less. Some may say that having the same EMM and injectors on a model line-up from 25 hp in-line two cylinder motors up to 300 hp v-6:es is a good thing, but I don't support that view. -Seb
GSH	posted 01-25-2010 11:32 AM ET (US) By the way, I've trying to find official information on BRP closing the factory in China (were the 25/30 hp Evinrudes were made), any pointers, please? -Seb
gss036	posted 01-25-2010 06:37 PM ET (US) This was copied from the below link, not real specific,but indicates they will mfg the engines in Wisconsin. Boisjoli was surprised by the suddenness of the widespread downturn around the world, something he says hasn’t happened in 30 years. The problems were compounded by the lack of credit for dealers and consumers and the drop in consumer confidence. BRP responded by cutting production, reducing employment, consolidating operations, closing a marine manufacturing plant in China, helping dealers clean out inventory and buying back debt at a discount. OUTLOOK FOR 2010. “In a situation like this, you need to focus,” Boisjoli says. “I need to choose my battles. We decided to invest in new products. We’ll continue to invest in the Spyder, and we’ll invest in the new SXS. Cash flow is not infinite; we need to be careful.” In March, BRP will begin small outboard engine production in Wisconsin. http://www.motorcycleshows.com/motorcycleshows/BRP-Roars-Into-2010-with-New-Recreational-SXS/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/650200?ref=25
Don88outrage	posted 02-02-2010 08:26 AM ET (US) Hartford, Ct. boat show, 1/28/10. Atlantic Outboards, Westbrook, Ct. say they have a 15 HP E-Tec HO on their floor, their one of the largest Evenrude dealers in the north east. Also notable, a first since I've been going, NO Boston Whalers at the show yet a Brunswick dealer displays their boat line up with Bayliners, is it getting that bad out there?
contender	posted 02-02-2010 02:29 PM ET (US) Miami Beach Boat Show in one week (Feb 11-17) I'll see if Evinruds/Johnson has/knows anything on the small outboards. If they have any paper work I will grab a copy and be happy to send it to you, just need an address, you can send it to my email...Take care
GSH	posted 02-03-2010 03:36 PM ET (US) GSS036, thank you for the link! Contender, perhaps I misunderstand you, but in case you refer to my request for information: thank you, but I just couldn't ask you to send real document copies over here (unless your Finnish is good, then I'd perhaps have something to send you back one day)! -Seb