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CCIM posted 09-01-2008 09:40 AM ET (US)
I am sure this has been addressed before but I could not find anything via a search.
I have an overwhelming urge to create two floor scuppers/drains - one on each side (port and starboard) of the bulkhead seperating the splash well and the cockpit - therefore allowing water to drain from the cockpit to the splashwell and out of the boat. This would really help with cleaning the hull and keep standing water out of the cockpit on the port side where there is no hull drain.
Anyone ever done this our have any comments - pro or con - as to why I should not attempt this?
I know I can pull the drain on the starboard side and water will eventually leave the cockpit but I like a more effecient flow out of the boat and that small well constantly fill up with debris like oak leafs.
Thanks and appreciate your help.
Roarque posted 09-01-2008 11:55 AM ET (US)
I have a Yamaha F150 four stroke on my Outrage 18 and the well in front of the engine is usually wet unless I plug the transom through hull drains. By drilling holes in the bulkhead, I would expect the deck in front of the bulkhead to be wet most of the time.
Also, I suspect that bulkhead provides considerable lateral support for the hull rigidity so think twice about the risk reward equation here.
CCIM posted 09-01-2008 12:54 PM ET (US)
I have a 130 2-stroke which is only 360lbs so little if any water comes into the splash well and is quickly disgarded when it does. Good food for thought if I decide to repower to the f150 - which is possible.
Chap posted 09-02-2008 10:15 AM ET (US)
Hello,
Cetacea Page 10 has a couple shots of some on Louie's guardian.
Different splashwell but similar application.
Have a great day.
Chap
Buckda posted 09-02-2008 10:25 AM ET (US)
I think that for the starboard side at least, the deck runoff will collect in the sump, as designed. I'm not sure you'll be able to get an adequately "low" scupper on the port side to make this feasable - I mean, most runoff is measured in depth of MM or CM, not inches...so unless you are expecting to swamp the boat on a regular basis, the scupper won't do too much good, plus it introduces another possible ingression opportunity for water to enter the foamed hull and do damage. It is unlikely I would purchase a Whaler modified in such a way - so consider resale as well.
Is it REALLY that big of a deal to have the water collect in the sump and then pump it out via a bilge pump in the sump?
Dave
alfred posted 09-02-2008 10:49 AM ET (US)
I have one of the Rule 1100 computer pumps in the bilge of my 18OR and it works a treat. If I ever get water into the boat it get rid of it pretty quick.
CCIM posted 09-02-2008 11:41 AM ET (US)
I just like to have a more effecient flow of water and debris off the decks. It is hard for a small pump to deal with leafs, dog hair, fish guts, sand, mud, snack food, etc (I have two kids and two dogs). The floor seems plenty high to drain like a "normal" center console with transom scuppers.
I may also consider mounting them to the port and starboard side of the hull with a flap or ball scupper like one of these:
http://www.discountmarinesupplies.com/HARDWARE-Scuppers_Drains.html
Then I could effectively seal off the small well and put a rubber boot on the lines coming out of that area. This would eliminate the need to drill through the splash well bulkhead as well - which is about 6" thick. I had similar scuppers on an older 25' Contender with floors at or below the waterline and they worked great.
Thanks for your feedback.
littleblue posted 09-02-2008 12:07 PM ET (US)
I was thinking the exact same thing and I actually posted a similar question a few months ago. Please do report back with your results if you decide to do the modification.
I don't like the standing water on the port side as well, which mostly collects from me cleaning up fish blood/slime. Then I have to tell people to stand on the opposite side of the boat so the water will drain into the sump.

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Author	Topic: 18 Outrage (classic) scuppers
CCIM	posted 09-01-2008 09:40 AM ET (US) I am sure this has been addressed before but I could not find anything via a search. I have an overwhelming urge to create two floor scuppers/drains - one on each side (port and starboard) of the bulkhead seperating the splash well and the cockpit - therefore allowing water to drain from the cockpit to the splashwell and out of the boat. This would really help with cleaning the hull and keep standing water out of the cockpit on the port side where there is no hull drain. Anyone ever done this our have any comments - pro or con - as to why I should not attempt this? I know I can pull the drain on the starboard side and water will eventually leave the cockpit but I like a more effecient flow out of the boat and that small well constantly fill up with debris like oak leafs. Thanks and appreciate your help.
Roarque	posted 09-01-2008 11:55 AM ET (US) I have a Yamaha F150 four stroke on my Outrage 18 and the well in front of the engine is usually wet unless I plug the transom through hull drains. By drilling holes in the bulkhead, I would expect the deck in front of the bulkhead to be wet most of the time. Also, I suspect that bulkhead provides considerable lateral support for the hull rigidity so think twice about the risk reward equation here.
CCIM	posted 09-01-2008 12:54 PM ET (US) I have a 130 2-stroke which is only 360lbs so little if any water comes into the splash well and is quickly disgarded when it does. Good food for thought if I decide to repower to the f150 - which is possible.
Chap	posted 09-02-2008 10:15 AM ET (US) Hello, Cetacea Page 10 has a couple shots of some on Louie's guardian. Different splashwell but similar application. Have a great day. Chap
Buckda	posted 09-02-2008 10:25 AM ET (US) I think that for the starboard side at least, the deck runoff will collect in the sump, as designed. I'm not sure you'll be able to get an adequately "low" scupper on the port side to make this feasable - I mean, most runoff is measured in depth of MM or CM, not inches...so unless you are expecting to swamp the boat on a regular basis, the scupper won't do too much good, plus it introduces another possible ingression opportunity for water to enter the foamed hull and do damage. It is unlikely I would purchase a Whaler modified in such a way - so consider resale as well. Is it REALLY that big of a deal to have the water collect in the sump and then pump it out via a bilge pump in the sump? Dave
alfred	posted 09-02-2008 10:49 AM ET (US) I have one of the Rule 1100 computer pumps in the bilge of my 18OR and it works a treat. If I ever get water into the boat it get rid of it pretty quick.
CCIM	posted 09-02-2008 11:41 AM ET (US) I just like to have a more effecient flow of water and debris off the decks. It is hard for a small pump to deal with leafs, dog hair, fish guts, sand, mud, snack food, etc (I have two kids and two dogs). The floor seems plenty high to drain like a "normal" center console with transom scuppers. I may also consider mounting them to the port and starboard side of the hull with a flap or ball scupper like one of these: http://www.discountmarinesupplies.com/HARDWARE-Scuppers_Drains.html Then I could effectively seal off the small well and put a rubber boot on the lines coming out of that area. This would eliminate the need to drill through the splash well bulkhead as well - which is about 6" thick. I had similar scuppers on an older 25' Contender with floors at or below the waterline and they worked great. Thanks for your feedback.
littleblue	posted 09-02-2008 12:07 PM ET (US) I was thinking the exact same thing and I actually posted a similar question a few months ago. Please do report back with your results if you decide to do the modification. I don't like the standing water on the port side as well, which mostly collects from me cleaning up fish blood/slime. Then I have to tell people to stand on the opposite side of the boat so the water will drain into the sump.