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pecos23 posted 10-04-2008 09:52 PM ET (US)
[When this author's 1992 Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 19 II is anchored in waves, water accumulates in the bow "bilge."] Water enter the bilge from the small area under the fuel tank. Where is the water coming from? It might come up through the [rigging] tunnel from water in the starboard aft cooler. It doesn't come from [here]. I can see it pour out from under the fuel tank but cannot figure how water is entering this space. How is water getting into this [area].
Is this the third hull of this design of the OUTRAGE?
lavieve posted 10-05-2008 10:35 AM ET (US)
I have the same year and model and also have water in ythe front bilge. There are two possible sources. The one you mention - starboard lazarette. The other would be the inspection ports in the center well where the engine is located; these ports are located on the reverse side of the section separating the well from the rest of the boat; where the tank filler cap is located. Remove then and check the gaskets. It is possible that the gaskets are worn.
pecos23 posted 10-05-2008 08:31 PM ET (US)
[T]hanks for the tips. [I] looked at the gaskets and they seem compressed. [I will] have to find some replacements. [Boston Whaler] must have planned for this egress of water because it pours into the bilge. [I]s this the third hull of this design? [I]f not, do you know what these guys are talking about?
aja posted 10-07-2008 01:02 PM ET (US)
I have the same boat, have had the same situation and wondered the same things. If is it sitting without a console cover then rain will go through the rod holders and into that space, but I also suspect most comes through the port side rear locker and into the rigging tunnel and tank area. I resealed the access ports with new O-rings and sealant and that had no impact on the [problem].
jimh posted 10-07-2008 03:07 PM ET (US)

quote:
"[I]s this the third hull of this design? [I]f not, do you know what these guys are talking about?"
Who are "these guys" and what are you referring to about whatever they're talking about?
jimh posted 10-07-2008 03:13 PM ET (US)
Boston Whaler boats don't really have a bilge in the usual meaning of that term. Their hull interior space is filled with foam. The boats have lockers, but these are sealed and do not drain into any bilge space.
Perhaps you are talking about one of the forward lockers in the boat.
WhalerAce posted 10-07-2008 04:19 PM ET (US)
Jim,
I would call that area beneath the transom enginewell drain a bilge. This, of course, is in the full-tansomed models, like those with the WhalerDrive.
The factory originally filled these with foam and put a plastic cover plate over them, but this was not the close-celled foam (because it DOES waterlog). On both the Outrage and the Temptation, I had to remove the plastic cover and scoop out the foam. That sucker is now a bilge!
--- WhalerAce
WhalerAce posted 10-07-2008 04:20 PM ET (US)
And just to clarify my previous post, when you scoop out the foam, there is still a gel-coated liner lying beneath where the foam was.
Casco Bay Outrage posted 10-07-2008 06:01 PM ET (US)
Any area under the deck designed to trap water that will be removed by hand or by pump would be appropriately called a bilge.
cf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilge
Shesh!
pecos23 posted 10-07-2008 09:04 PM ET (US)
[Y]es [the Boston Whaler 1992 OUTRAGE 19 II] does have a foward bilge. [A]s a matter of fact, it even has a factory installed bilge pump that drains through a through-hull fitting on the starboard side of the boat. [I]t is a unique design that would not be familar to you if you have never seen a 1992 to 1994 OUTRAGE II. [T]he area in front of the console where the cooler would be on a standard OUTRAGE is open all the way to the bilge, where you can look down and see the bilge pump and the water draining from under the fuel tank. [W]ith all this being said, [I] still don't have any idea where the water is coming from.
HAPPYJIM posted 10-07-2008 11:30 PM ET (US)
I have water in mine also but the pump taks care of it.
gstevens posted 10-08-2008 09:11 AM ET (US)
I have the same problem and I was thinking that the deck plate between the console and leaning post may be leaking.
srec1 posted 10-08-2008 11:28 AM ET (US)
Mine has water in the forward bilge too since it was new.
jimh posted 10-09-2008 12:10 AM ET (US)
I have seen a 1992 to 1994 Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 19 II, but I did not notice the forward deck sump. Perhaps someone can supply a nice photograph of it to show the arrangement.
The Wikipedia article contained nothing that would make me change my mind about a Boston Whaler Unibond hull not having a bilge. Unibond hulls often have a small well or sump area molded into them to collect water. These wells or sumps typically have a through-hull drain to permit water to be removed when underway by suction from the Venturi effect of water passing by the outboard end of the drain. Or they have an electric pump to remove the water. But these limited area wells or sumps are not bilge spaces in the general meaning of that term as used in hulls with open construction.
taypow1 posted 10-09-2008 10:54 PM ET (US)
My collects water also.
I assume it is from the inspection plates not sealing properly.
The pump keeps it down to a small amount.
Jock
taypow1 posted 10-09-2008 10:55 PM ET (US)
Mine collects water also.
I assume it is from the inspection plates not sealing properly.
The pump keeps it down to a small amount.
Jock
pecos23 posted 10-12-2008 08:19 PM ET (US)
ok, i may have some what of a answer for this problem. i am thinking that the water is coming into the starboard cooler next to the motor well, in thru the starboard lazarette and spilling over the walls of the lazarette into the area that holds the fuel tank. i think his is happening because i pluged the motor well and STILL had water in the front bilge even though the motor well was totally dry. this would rule out the inspection hole gaskets being weak and leaking into the fore mentioned area. i have now pluged the starbord cooler drain hole that goes thru the transom but the lake has been calm so no issues today. i will let you know later as it's only a matter of hours before lake erie is rough again. i will also take a picture of the bilge to end the bilge / no bilge debate.
lavieve posted 10-13-2008 09:12 PM ET (US)
Jim - The next time I am on the boat, I will take a photo and send it to you. The bilge can be accessed through the forward seat. Simply remove the interior box, and the bilge is located directly below. It does have a bilge pump. And believe me, there is no foam in it. There is enough room in this area to store some sizeable containers. There is always something to learn about the Whalers.
mjf19 posted 10-14-2008 01:58 PM ET (US)
i am living this problem currently. In reading a recent post on this site in the repair section, titled scuppers on outrage 17 I. i commented. mine is a 94 outrage II 19 ft. i always have water in the fuel tank cavity. We recently discovered by removing the scuppers that the thru drains were cut out 1 3/8 inches yet the actual drains used were 1 1/8 inches with no seals. while doing this i met a guy at our marina that has a 95 outrage and has the same indentical problem.
my questions are does whaler take any responsibilty for the faulty design? if so, has anyone been able to get them to reimbures yo for the repairs?
thekidd posted 10-21-2008 01:40 PM ET (US)
I have the same issue, but never to an extent that it has caused me concern. I think it is important to note that the water entry is nominal and I assume that there are numerous sources for the water intrusion.
I would guess that the bilge was installed in this location for this very reason.
Water will make its way into any opportunistic opening. I believe my water intrusion is a mixture of the water from the pole holders during clean up and storage in addition to the water coming from the starboard transom seat and the well located at the transom itself.
The area is very accessible for the maintenance of the area, removal of any standing water and for replacement of the pump if needed.

It is a true bilge pump as also noted on the factory switches.

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Author	Topic: OUTRAGE 19 II Mystery Water In Bilge
pecos23	posted 10-04-2008 09:52 PM ET (US) [When this author's 1992 Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 19 II is anchored in waves, water accumulates in the bow "bilge."] Water enter the bilge from the small area under the fuel tank. Where is the water coming from? It might come up through the [rigging] tunnel from water in the starboard aft cooler. It doesn't come from [here]. I can see it pour out from under the fuel tank but cannot figure how water is entering this space. How is water getting into this [area]. Is this the third hull of this design of the OUTRAGE?
lavieve	posted 10-05-2008 10:35 AM ET (US) I have the same year and model and also have water in ythe front bilge. There are two possible sources. The one you mention - starboard lazarette. The other would be the inspection ports in the center well where the engine is located; these ports are located on the reverse side of the section separating the well from the rest of the boat; where the tank filler cap is located. Remove then and check the gaskets. It is possible that the gaskets are worn.
pecos23	posted 10-05-2008 08:31 PM ET (US) [T]hanks for the tips. [I] looked at the gaskets and they seem compressed. [I will] have to find some replacements. [Boston Whaler] must have planned for this egress of water because it pours into the bilge. [I]s this the third hull of this design? [I]f not, do you know what these guys are talking about?
aja	posted 10-07-2008 01:02 PM ET (US) I have the same boat, have had the same situation and wondered the same things. If is it sitting without a console cover then rain will go through the rod holders and into that space, but I also suspect most comes through the port side rear locker and into the rigging tunnel and tank area. I resealed the access ports with new O-rings and sealant and that had no impact on the [problem].
jimh	posted 10-07-2008 03:07 PM ET (US) quote: "[I]s this the third hull of this design? [I]f not, do you know what these guys are talking about?" Who are "these guys" and what are you referring to about whatever they're talking about?
jimh	posted 10-07-2008 03:13 PM ET (US) Boston Whaler boats don't really have a bilge in the usual meaning of that term. Their hull interior space is filled with foam. The boats have lockers, but these are sealed and do not drain into any bilge space. Perhaps you are talking about one of the forward lockers in the boat.
WhalerAce	posted 10-07-2008 04:19 PM ET (US) Jim, I would call that area beneath the transom enginewell drain a bilge. This, of course, is in the full-tansomed models, like those with the WhalerDrive. The factory originally filled these with foam and put a plastic cover plate over them, but this was not the close-celled foam (because it DOES waterlog). On both the Outrage and the Temptation, I had to remove the plastic cover and scoop out the foam. That sucker is now a bilge! --- WhalerAce
WhalerAce	posted 10-07-2008 04:20 PM ET (US) And just to clarify my previous post, when you scoop out the foam, there is still a gel-coated liner lying beneath where the foam was.
Casco Bay Outrage	posted 10-07-2008 06:01 PM ET (US) Any area under the deck designed to trap water that will be removed by hand or by pump would be appropriately called a bilge. cf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilge Shesh!
pecos23	posted 10-07-2008 09:04 PM ET (US) [Y]es [the Boston Whaler 1992 OUTRAGE 19 II] does have a foward bilge. [A]s a matter of fact, it even has a factory installed bilge pump that drains through a through-hull fitting on the starboard side of the boat. [I]t is a unique design that would not be familar to you if you have never seen a 1992 to 1994 OUTRAGE II. [T]he area in front of the console where the cooler would be on a standard OUTRAGE is open all the way to the bilge, where you can look down and see the bilge pump and the water draining from under the fuel tank. [W]ith all this being said, [I] still don't have any idea where the water is coming from.
HAPPYJIM	posted 10-07-2008 11:30 PM ET (US) I have water in mine also but the pump taks care of it.
gstevens	posted 10-08-2008 09:11 AM ET (US) I have the same problem and I was thinking that the deck plate between the console and leaning post may be leaking.
srec1	posted 10-08-2008 11:28 AM ET (US) Mine has water in the forward bilge too since it was new.
jimh	posted 10-09-2008 12:10 AM ET (US) I have seen a 1992 to 1994 Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 19 II, but I did not notice the forward deck sump. Perhaps someone can supply a nice photograph of it to show the arrangement. The Wikipedia article contained nothing that would make me change my mind about a Boston Whaler Unibond hull not having a bilge. Unibond hulls often have a small well or sump area molded into them to collect water. These wells or sumps typically have a through-hull drain to permit water to be removed when underway by suction from the Venturi effect of water passing by the outboard end of the drain. Or they have an electric pump to remove the water. But these limited area wells or sumps are not bilge spaces in the general meaning of that term as used in hulls with open construction.
taypow1	posted 10-09-2008 10:54 PM ET (US) My collects water also. I assume it is from the inspection plates not sealing properly. The pump keeps it down to a small amount. Jock
taypow1	posted 10-09-2008 10:55 PM ET (US) Mine collects water also. I assume it is from the inspection plates not sealing properly. The pump keeps it down to a small amount. Jock
pecos23	posted 10-12-2008 08:19 PM ET (US) ok, i may have some what of a answer for this problem. i am thinking that the water is coming into the starboard cooler next to the motor well, in thru the starboard lazarette and spilling over the walls of the lazarette into the area that holds the fuel tank. i think his is happening because i pluged the motor well and STILL had water in the front bilge even though the motor well was totally dry. this would rule out the inspection hole gaskets being weak and leaking into the fore mentioned area. i have now pluged the starbord cooler drain hole that goes thru the transom but the lake has been calm so no issues today. i will let you know later as it's only a matter of hours before lake erie is rough again. i will also take a picture of the bilge to end the bilge / no bilge debate.
lavieve	posted 10-13-2008 09:12 PM ET (US) Jim - The next time I am on the boat, I will take a photo and send it to you. The bilge can be accessed through the forward seat. Simply remove the interior box, and the bilge is located directly below. It does have a bilge pump. And believe me, there is no foam in it. There is enough room in this area to store some sizeable containers. There is always something to learn about the Whalers.
mjf19	posted 10-14-2008 01:58 PM ET (US) i am living this problem currently. In reading a recent post on this site in the repair section, titled scuppers on outrage 17 I. i commented. mine is a 94 outrage II 19 ft. i always have water in the fuel tank cavity. We recently discovered by removing the scuppers that the thru drains were cut out 1 3/8 inches yet the actual drains used were 1 1/8 inches with no seals. while doing this i met a guy at our marina that has a 95 outrage and has the same indentical problem. my questions are does whaler take any responsibilty for the faulty design? if so, has anyone been able to get them to reimbures yo for the repairs?
thekidd	posted 10-21-2008 01:40 PM ET (US) I have the same issue, but never to an extent that it has caused me concern. I think it is important to note that the water entry is nominal and I assume that there are numerous sources for the water intrusion. I would guess that the bilge was installed in this location for this very reason. Water will make its way into any opportunistic opening. I believe my water intrusion is a mixture of the water from the pole holders during clean up and storage in addition to the water coming from the starboard transom seat and the well located at the transom itself. The area is very accessible for the maintenance of the area, removal of any standing water and for replacement of the pump if needed. It is a true bilge pump as also noted on the factory switches.