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ContinuousWave Whaler Moderated Discussion Areas ContinuousWave: The Whaler GAM or General Area Tempo #630014 7.5 Gallon Fuel Tank
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Author | Topic: Tempo #630014 7.5 Gallon Fuel Tank |
oceansunfish |
posted 12-04-2008 07:01 PM ET (US)
The [Tempo #630014 7.5 gallon fuel tank] above-deck fuel tank was marketed by Tempo to Montauk owners as a fuel tank that would fit in the [center console] of the vessel. I hope there are some here that use this fuel tank and would be able to answer my question from personal experience. I am interested in knowing the actual fuel capacity at the safe-fill line. In looking at the physicial deminsions of the tank, I suspect it holds more. The physical deminsions are 10.25-inches high by 20-inches long by 14.25-inches wide. Height includes cap though and I suspect the actual height of this tank to be 9-inches. Still, I had been quoted for a custom tank with 10" high by 18" long by 13" wide to hold near 10 gallons. I appreciate the all replies. Thanks. |
Casco Bay Outrage |
posted 12-04-2008 07:40 PM ET (US)
In doing a google search, the part number you listed is for a 9 gallon tank. Their measurements are: 14-1/4 L x 10 W x 20-1/4 H cf: http://www.shipstore.com/SS/HTML/TEM/TEM630014.html Regardless, it is important to note that Tempo is no longer in the marine fuel tank business. An alternative brand is Moeller if a plastic above-deck fuel tank is being sought. |
oceansunfish |
posted 12-04-2008 08:12 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the reply. I've done some considerable research via GOOGLE and I've found all kinds of discrepancies with regards to the actual capacity of the subject fuel tank. I've seen the site that states it is a 9-gallon tank, for example. I've read BB material from folks that the subject tank is really a 7.5 and Tempo finally changed the capacity after many bought it thinking it was 9 gal. So, I don't know what to believe. Therefore, I posted asking for first hand owner experiences. Thanks again for the reply and providing the site. |
jeffs22outrage |
posted 12-04-2008 08:14 PM ET (US)
From an aquarium builders site. To determine the number of gallons in a rectangular aquarium: * Length (in inches) x Width (in inches) x Height (in inches) / 231 |
jeffs22outrage |
posted 12-04-2008 08:17 PM ET (US)
Sorry... So, |
oceansunfish |
posted 12-05-2008 02:50 AM ET (US)
Outstanding advice. I should've thought about going to an aquarium website. On the 9GAS model, the height is listed at 10.25 inches, however, the cap is recessed so I surmise the safe fill line is about 9 inches above the bottom of the tank. So, even if I deduct a little bit off the overall measurements, to be conservative, this tank should hold about 9 to 10 gals. Perfect. Thanks again. |
BlueMax |
posted 12-05-2008 08:43 AM ET (US)
I remember reading something on this model that stated it was a 7.5 gal tank with a reserve... (?) so maybe it s a 9 gal tank overall but has a 1.5 gal reserve so as not to leave you completely stranded when you "run out" of gas? I tried searching for the info again but can not find anything to link to for a reference - most sites are listing this model as a 7.5 gallon tank, but soem have it listed as 9 gal or simply "discontinued." I'll keep trying. |
jimh |
posted 12-05-2008 08:53 AM ET (US)
The relationship between the volume measurement units cubic-inch and gallon is 1 gallon = 231 cubic-inch |
BlueMax |
posted 12-05-2008 10:11 AM ET (US)
Makes perfect sense as to why the formula would have a a "divide by" of 231 then. Question though - since the formula as performed by Jeff shows that the tank could hold in excess of the "rated" storage of 7.5-9 gals is this because of the properties of gasoline transitioning between liquid and gaseous form, therefore leaving room (volume) for the fuel to safely expand and contract as it transition between gas and liquid? Question 2 - If you filled a tank to the point that any time the gasoline transitioned into gaseous state it had to be immediately vented, would you actually lose gasoline by volume when it then condensed back into liquid form (since in the gaseous state it was vented out of the holding tank and therefore unable/unavailable to be retained when conditions prevailed for conversion back to liquid form)? |
jimh |
posted 12-06-2008 09:52 AM ET (US)
According to a government document on the subject: "the widely accepted coefficient of expansion for gasoline is 0.00069/°F" Cf.: http://ts.nist.gov/WeightsAndMeasures/upload/B-015.pdf If a fuel tank is filled with 9-gallons of gasoline at a temperature of 60-degrees, and the temperature rises to 90-degrees, the volume of the fuel will increase by 30 x 0..00069 = 0.0207 And the 9-gallons of volume will become 9 + (9 x .0207) = 9.1863 gallons. One should also consider that the fuel tank is also made of a material which likely expands with temperature, and therefore the volume of the fuel tank will also increase slightly as the temperature increases. We assume the tank is made from polypropylene; it has a coefficient of linear expansion of 4.8 x 10^-5 inch/inch/°F Cf.: http://www.edl-inc.com/Plastic%20expansion%20rates.htm A 9-gallon fuel tank will have a volume of 9 x 231 = 2079 cubic-inches If we assume the tank is a cube, each side will therefore be Cube Root of 2079 = 12.76-inches Each side will expand by 30 x 12.76 x 4.8 x 10^-5 = 0.01837 inch and the volume of the tank will increase to 2,088-cubic-inches, or 9.039-gallons. New gasoline volume = 9.1863 gallons The rate of volume increase of the gasoline is higher than the polypropylene, so the tank must have some additional space for the product to expand. If the tank has additional room to accommodate the expansion of the liquid, and if the tank is vented to the atmosphere, the fuel expands and fills more of the tank. If the tank has room but it is sealed, the fuel expands, but it has to compress the gaseous material in the tank. Gases are compressible, but there will be an increase in pressure exerted on the tank walls. If we assume that there was 0.5-gallons of space left in the tank at 60-degrees, and the fuel expanded faster than the tank by 0.1473-gallons, the difference in volume of the space in the tank above the liquid changes from V1 = 0.5 From Boyle's Law we know that P1 x V1 = P2 x V2 Cf.: http://www.indiana.edu/~geog109/topics/10_Forces&Winds/GasPressWeb/ PressGasLaws.html The pressure in the tank will therefore increase by a factor of V1 / V2 = (0.5 / 0.3527) = 1.418 If the pressure were at atmospheric pressure (29.9-PSI) before the expansion, it will rise to 29.92 x 1.418 = 42.4-PSI absolute and 42.4 -29.92 = 12.5-PSI relative to atmosphere This only allows for the change in volume. As the temperature rises there will be an additional increase in pressure due to temperature. (Calculate this for extra credit.) |
jimh |
posted 12-06-2008 10:04 AM ET (US)
The space in the sealed tank remaining above the fuel after the temperature expansion occurred has a volume of 0.3527-gallons or 231 x 0.3527 = 81.4737 cubic-inches If we again assume this is a cube, each side will have a length of Cube Root of 81.4737 = 4.335-inch The surface area of a cube is 6 x L^2, where L is the length of one side so the surface area of the remaining space will be 6 X 4.335^2 = 112.76 square-inches The pressure exerted by the gas is 12.5-PSI, so the total force acting on the walls of the tank will be 12.5 x 112.76 = 1,409.5-lbs Calculation of whether or not the polypropylene has enough material strength to withstand this force is left as an exercise to the reader. |
BlueMax |
posted 12-06-2008 07:00 PM ET (US)
I had to ask, didn't I.... ^@^ Well, at least it didn't come with a homework assignment. |
WhalerAce |
posted 12-07-2008 07:56 AM ET (US)
And while we do all of these calculations, let us remember that the EFFECTIVE volume of the tank is really only those dimensions that are ABOVE the fuel pickup. This could be as much as one inch above the bottom of the tank. That is, if you are trying to figure out how much USABLE fuel you have from a full tank. --- WhalerAce |
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