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JMARTIN posted 02-03-2009 06:52 PM ET (US)   Profile for JMARTIN   Send Email to JMARTIN  
Might have posted this before, anyhow I like this one also. My guess is a modified Nauset/Eastport/Sakonnet or 16 foot hull. Pretty much covered all bases with that guess.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/jmartin-/DSCN0036-1.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/jmartin-/DSCN0034-1.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/jmartin-/DSCN0035-1.jpg

I must have boating fever, posting all these pictures of Whalers and sunshine.

John

elaelap posted 02-03-2009 07:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Hola John,

That starboard-side console makes me think it's either a Minot or Katama with non-OE windscreen and seating. Nice boat.

Tony

L H G posted 02-03-2009 07:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
It's an insult to a classic Nauset, a home-made special, with the worst cockeyed installion and engine rigging work I have ever seen.

From the top down: the windshield is legit, but it is sitting on a home made console top piece, widened from the original design and offset to starboard. The console base looks original, as does the front seat. The pilot seat is some kind of a home-made Nauset Pilot seat alteration, offset to Starboard also.

The engine control is ridiculous, not the type the console was designed for.

Why to self described design riggers, with no real talent or understanding, do this to a WHaler?

L H G posted 02-03-2009 07:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
Gave the guy too much credit. The Front seat has been altered also, widened to Starboard.
elaelap posted 02-04-2009 10:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Geeze, Larry, why not tell us what you really think? Taking a second look, I think you're right about the boat NOT being a reconstructed Minot or Katama, but I still think it's a nice modification of what might have looked like this to start:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/elaelap/beatersmirkless16001.jpg

We can't all be master restorationists, and this 30+-year-old boat looks like it's capable of bringing many more years of pleasure to its owner.

Tony

BTW, Whaler skiffs, at least in the beginning, were designed as workboats, Larry, workboats.

Tom W Clark posted 02-04-2009 11:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
The boat is essentially an imitation of a Nauset. As to it being the worst of anything, that is ridiculous. I can think of FAR uglier examples of modifications AND rigging.

There is nothing wrong with modifying a Whaler from its original configuration to meet one's needs. Whaler used to encourage modification and customization by selling a bare hull as a blank canvas and publishing examples of customer's customization work.

As to the owner of this boat, I find no evidence he/she claims to be anything so I do not know where the bizarre "self described design riggers" comment comes from.

In fact, if the owner if this boat were a teenage kid making the most of what they had at their disposal, I would say: "Job well done!"

Roarque posted 02-04-2009 11:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for Roarque  Send Email to Roarque     
Rumour has it that a hull like this was being built on Vancouver Island in the eighties for local anglers who couldn't afford a 'made in america' boat like the Whaler.

When the exchange rate is 1.25 + and the Canadian price is 1.25 times the US price then that sort of thing can and does happen.

You folks in Florida can just imagine how many Whalers would not have been sold if the price was jacked up by 25% back then...heck, even now...heck, especially now.

Perhaps that is what we're looking at here - I kinda like this little gem and would not turn down a chance to fish from it.

Tom W Clark posted 02-04-2009 11:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
No, it's an old Whaler hull with a new interior.

There are lots of splashed Whaler imitations out here. This is not one of them.

Kingsteven18 posted 02-04-2009 12:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kingsteven18  Send Email to Kingsteven18     
It's a Boston Whaler Canuck.
L H G posted 02-04-2009 04:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
Sorry to be such a perfectionist guys, but as a design Architect, that interior really offends my eyes, with all the goofy offsets and home-made modifications, etc. It's a shame to waste seemingly competent workmanship on that kind of design work. Maybe PRJ would agree with me. You know, Tony, kind of like some guy going into court representing himself and thinking he knows what he's doing! I guess this would be a "Small Claims Court Whaler".

I would agree, that to most, it probably looks OK. But to me, having built a complete Nauset interior from scratch, based on my own measurements from an existing Nauset, from which I made a full set drawings and templates (Whaler's woodwork drawings and information were not avaiable at that time), this boat's design work looks terrible. And you guys like painted mahogany?

JimH has used my Nauset for the reference section:

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/16-17/models.html#nauset .

mgeiger posted 02-04-2009 07:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for mgeiger    
Kingsteven18 - Thanks brother. Finally some much needed humor on this site.
jimh posted 02-04-2009 10:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Imagine what would be said about a MENEMSHA if it weren't a factory designed modification.
elaelap posted 02-05-2009 09:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Or what about this strange factory Whaler, Larry?
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/elaelap/HalibutSF--15CC044.jpg

Tony

annapoliswhaler posted 02-05-2009 11:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for annapoliswhaler    
It breaks my heart to have mahogany wood PAINTED OVER on a old whaler!
Tohsgib posted 02-05-2009 11:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Actually I don't mind the painted wood when I buy a Whaler. Reason being it blocked out all the UV rays and was probably kept up year after year because it was easier. I bought 2 Whalers with painted wood and when I stripped it, it was like new underneath, not all spotted and rough like most older varnished wood.
JMARTIN posted 02-05-2009 12:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
How about non-skid mahogany?

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/jmartin-/may19-07041.jpg

No swimsuits allowed.

John

frontier posted 02-05-2009 12:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for frontier  Send Email to frontier     
John - It looks from here like that steering wheel has no bezel. A knuckle buster. Is that a Fig Newton of my imagination?
Ritzyrags posted 02-05-2009 12:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
What jumps at me when I do look at this unit is the "Cleanliness" of the whole structures.
I think that the owner did very well with the materials available for this obvious refit.
It will not be seen as a "show room" example of the model but I think that the over all impression is a good one.
A bit of varnished woods may be in order.
Some logos and striping wouldn't hurt either.
Is it me or you just about could see a stern running light installed on the starboard stern section?
And possibly a bow; green and red light and cleat unit?
Not too shabby.
Tohsgib posted 02-05-2009 12:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
What really matters is how good the paint job is. No matter how OEM he made the consle and seat, if the paint is shongo...why bother.
frisco pete posted 02-05-2009 12:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for frisco pete    
I have to agree with L H G. If your skills aren`t good enough to do a professional looking restoration, then don`t expect everyone to rave about your work. What is good enough for most, is not good enough for some. A good remodeling job, be it a home or a boat, the onlooker should not be able to tell if it was remodeled. It should look like it was built that way from the beginning.
The design is as important as the quality of the construction.

rich

L H G posted 02-05-2009 05:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
Tony - Looking at all Whalers that have been designed since your prototype boat was produced, I can only assume THAT topside designer was immediately fired upon it's first sea trial!

As for the Menemsha, even though some might consider it an ugly duckling, it is clearly apparent that it was professionally designed.

Kingsteven18 posted 02-05-2009 09:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kingsteven18  Send Email to Kingsteven18     
Jimh: I think the Menemsha was supposed to be called the 'Mashugana', but BW wasn't up on their Yiddish. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mashugana
elaelap posted 02-05-2009 09:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Yep, she'll never win any beauty contests, Larry. But she moves through the lumpy stuff out here like a tank, with the extra weight forward making her somewhat more sea-kindly than either the banana-hulled Revenge 19 or 21 (both of which we've owned and operated in the same location), and I would assume that she's substantially less bone-jarring than the banana Outrages, including your dumptruck. Plus that large, rather unattractive cabin is much more comfortable to overnight in than the Revenge cuddy--we actually have a chair in there along with a full size berth and plenty of storage. Most importantly, we love our unique old girl, so be damned to your mean comments; she's absolutely gorgeous as she flies downhill after a long day's fishing and diving along the Pacific coast north of San Francisco...for us anyway ;-)

Tony

andygere posted 02-05-2009 10:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Ya know, the only thing that chafed my aesthetic sensibilities on that boat was the badly painted waterline. I tend to be a stickler for original restorations, but my guess is that this boat was a basket case brought back from the dead. To do camp duty among the islands she's still a lot nicer to look at than the typical tin skiff you'd see on the same detail, and despite my love for all things varnished, the paint is a lot more durable for an uncovered boat. I can see this thing loaded for bear, piled high with Coleman stoves, tents, firewood and sleeping bags, headed for Jones Island with a crew of teenage adventurers looking for a few days off the grid.

John, keep on posting 'em, it makes for some good banter among the dry-docked Whalerites.

Ritzyrags posted 02-06-2009 04:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Gentlemen,
It is a fact that Larry's girl is clearly closely related to mine since I am 000771.
And the fact is..
Why spent time and energy haggling about the 5% differencing our family's ties instead of rejoicing in our common Whaler marine ties?

Larry;
I am so very happy for you for having brought to our attention this latest unbelievable example of what the pristine example of the model was like. I would like to think that you wake up in the middle of the night; just about three, and break into a broad grin feeling happy about having adopted this latest marvelous Classic Outrage 19'4".
I hope that I may have quoted you correctly here...

And Our Ever So Present Tony..
You and I will fully know that you have been somehow remiss in the fact that;
I had asked you way back then to entertain us in the description of you're rather unique and most interesting Revenge.
Not to be acknowledged then and possibly a factor here..
Hence; to my understanding lies the misunderstanding.
In this time and space.
There is most definitely a lot of REAL history to be told about your rare model..Tony.
And knowing you;
To never be totally short of words on any given subjects;
One has to wonder as to why you have not volunteered to pick up this opportunity and inform us with some of your typical descriptions.
I absolutely love both of your Whalers.. as they have the very same hulls.
I would like to make sure that we remember the fact that it brings us all together as Whaler people..
I know that I do.

JMARTIN posted 02-06-2009 10:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
Frontier, a close up of the wheel on the abrasion seat Whaler.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/jmartin-/may19-07041-1.jpg

Now here is a modification that I do not like at all. I could bounce right out of that throne and into the water. Got a pontoon boat like vinyl also.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/jmartin-/092506077-2.jpg

The 2x4s are for repelling pirates. The boat to the right is bilge pump challenged.

John

elaelap posted 02-06-2009 12:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
"And knowing you;
To never be totally short of words on any given subjects..."

My abject apologies, Ritz, for my remissitude ;-) I may never be short of words, but they are so very pedestrian when compared with your poesy.

Truth to tell--we (the Strike3 partnership--me and Matt and Warren) don't really know very much at all about the history of our strange craft. When we bought her a couple of years ago we immediately contacted Chuck Bennett and he provided some sketchy details. The boat was built as a prototype in 1973 and sold in 1976. That's just about it. As you can tell from its uniqueness (and from Larry's scornful if perceptive comments), it wasn't judged to be a resounding design success, probably more from an aesthetic than functional point of view. We bought the boat--sans motors (twin Johnson 70s, we think) and trailer--from a guy living on a houseboat in Sausalito. Luckily we had a very nice galvanized Pacific dual axle trailer acquired in a relatively complicated fashion by juggling around stuff with our two previous partnership boats--'70s Revenge(s) 19 & 21--and I towed our new acquisition up to Matt's home in Placerville (Sierra Nevada foothills) for several months of rehab.

We posted extensively about this at the time, with some details on various problems we encountered during our work (I certainly won't call it 'restoration'). The main issue involved whether or not to keep those very unattractive RV-style portlights/deadlights/windows. Many CW members made good suggestions, and Tom Clark even posted or emailed us a sketch of a very attractive design, but we decided to stay "OEM" and leave more complicated restoration to the boat's next owner.

We powered the boat with our last boat's Suzuki 140, a great workhorse which pushes Strike3 III along in the mid-thirties on a relatively calm day. Matt made a permanent bracket for our 6 hp Nissan four stroke kicker. He also welded that wonderfully functional and comfortable pilot's seat, and we installed some basic electronics--GPS chart plotter, VHF, and sounder.

Between us, we've put something like 400 hours on the boat, mostly in the first season, since salmon season was cancelled last season out here. We keep the boat in a slip in Porto Bodega marina, Bodega Bay, nine or ten months out of the year, treat her pretty rough but wash her down and religiously flush her main and kicker motors after each use.

Homely as some might think her, we love our one-of-a-kind classic, and she's given us many days of pleasure and lots of great memories, as well as a bunch of fish and abalone. Hope this helps, Ritz, and C'mon spring!

Tony

elaelap posted 02-06-2009 12:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
A Whaler only a mother could love:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/elaelap/Strike3saltmaiden003.jpg
Kingsteven18 posted 02-06-2009 05:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kingsteven18  Send Email to Kingsteven18     
What happened to the flying bridge? It's missing!
JMARTIN posted 02-06-2009 06:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
Does that seat have a belt or do you stand up when it gets snotty?

John

elaelap posted 02-06-2009 06:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
John, if you look closely at that photo you'll see that Matt's custom seat has a dense blue foam pad which folds over forward. This makes it into a great leaning post when it gets too bouncy out there.

Tony

Tom W Clark posted 02-06-2009 07:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
quote:
I can think of FAR uglier examples of modifications AND rigging.

[ ...must...resist...urge...to make smart ass comment... ]

JMARTIN posted 02-06-2009 07:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
Well call me "Momma" because I like Strike 3.

What do you guys think of this modification?

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d137/jmartin-/Johnspics036-2.jpg

John

elaelap posted 02-06-2009 07:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Poor ol' Tom. It's like fingernails on a blackboard for you, I'm sure. But be strong, it's only a boat and it's life and life only...

Tony

frisco pete posted 02-06-2009 10:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for frisco pete    
Tony,

Barack Obama took a dig at Republican presidential rival during a speech Tuesday, comparing John McCain to George W. Bush with the comment “You know, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.”

I think he was really talking about your "Strike 3";)
rich

frontier posted 02-06-2009 11:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for frontier  Send Email to frontier     
Maybe Obama was talking about his "Porkulus" package.
Ritzyrags posted 02-06-2009 11:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Come,Come Tony..
No apologies needed here;
As you pretty well know; that fun for me is number one;
Go on please as I am all ears..
What a fascinating story.
Hey I don't mind you going on and on about your unique model.
One of a kind?????
Jees,Tone
She got to be worth no less than a Hundred grands if she's worth a nickel..
I wonder what "Most Serious" collectors will assess her to be worth??
Well I think that you did beat me to it, as I surely would have seriously considered this one of a kind Whaler "Evolution" model.
Very,very, Hush Hush and all that.
The sight of this unit has something very James Bondish about the general first impression.
I would be expecting Goldfinger to be seen at the wheel.
This has far exceeded my expectations.
No point at being Plebean about the whole thing Tony..
Who knows..I wouldn't be surprised that after this small bit of publicity;The offers to buy her will be rolling in..
What do you think Larry..Honestly..?
How much would a ONE OF A KIND unit like that may fetch..Today?

Serge.

Kingsteven18 posted 02-07-2009 06:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Kingsteven18  Send Email to Kingsteven18     
How long before the Franklin Mint makes a model of it?
jgkmmoore posted 02-07-2009 05:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for jgkmmoore  Send Email to jgkmmoore     
John- I have to admire a little, the tin boat you described as 'bilge pump challenged'. At the very least, it's keeping the powerhead out of the water. Bravo, tin boat.

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