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wlease4 posted 02-10-2009 09:04 PM ET (US)   Profile for wlease4   Send Email to wlease4  
Anyone hear of Whaler introducing a 370 Outrage

http://www.bymnews.com/news/newsDetails.php?id=50565

Anyone have links to pictures and details?

Jeff posted 02-10-2009 09:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff  Send Email to Jeff     
You will have to want for the offical annoucement in Miami which opens Thursday.
glen e posted 02-10-2009 09:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for glen e  Send Email to glen e     
a trip go fast fish boat...hmmmm...not sure Jim will like this turn of events....
bluewaterpirate posted 02-10-2009 10:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Direct from the Whaler Website ......

Here's some video of the new 370 Outrage on the water.

http://whaler.tv/play.php?vid=134

Tom

Yiddil posted 02-10-2009 10:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Holy COw! Thats something to behold....50 gallons per hour at 35 miles per hour!!!trip 300 verados amazing!

I guess the person buying that guzler is not worried about how much gas they use. And based on the survey I did here last year, there are not many people on this site owning or trailering one of these huge things on the interstate:)

jimh posted 02-10-2009 10:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Thanks for the tip and link. The MSRP is probably going to proportional to the size of that monster. It is quite a boat!
bluewaterpirate posted 02-10-2009 10:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Kind of a radical hull design for Whaler. I've heard it has 24 degrees of deadrise at the transom. Figure with a full load of gas/water, occupants, associated equipment the 370 will come in around 17000 to 18000 lbs. You can also order the boat with 3 V-Rod 350's.

It's really a crossover boat fishing/cruising. Interested to hear the marketing plan.

Tom

bluewaterpirate posted 02-10-2009 10:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Keep an eye on the Whaler TV website they started posting boat show videos late this afternoon. I heard a rumor that another new Whaler model, the 250 Ventura, will make its debut at the Miami Show. I have no verification of that so we'll just have to wait and see.

Tom

Jeff posted 02-10-2009 10:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff  Send Email to Jeff     
Gorgeous boat. I have to say it really is a great looking boat with a lot of very nice features. Sure it is not a classic but, so what. You can not buy a new TRUE classic any way....and a Euro transom blah, blah, blah.... Certainly looks like they seriously wanting to contend with Grady, Everglades, Yellowfin, Intrepid, and other high horse power large center console boats. Good for them. Hopefully they will succeed. Have to say...If I had the money the 370 would make the short list.

Wish I was heading to Miami again this year to see it in person to see how it stacks up. I have to say there was nothing built quiet as nice and the 35' Everglades I sea trialed but, nothing was as awesome as the Quad 300hp Verado powered 42' Yellowfin running WOT in the low to mid 60's (burning 150+ gallons an hour).

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ ljim7plYkGCvHxkstVY8-Q?feat=directlink
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ hDHkejw0wDaNG0SdgBkouQ?feat=directlink

Casco Bay Outrage posted 02-10-2009 10:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Casco Bay Outrage  Send Email to Casco Bay Outrage     
Love the retractable t-top/bimini/sun shade whadayacallit!
bluewaterpirate posted 02-10-2009 11:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
An interesting item was the 370 Outrage was equipped with Raymarine electronics. I wonder if this means you can order this electronics configuration from Whaler?

Tom

95Outrage17 posted 02-10-2009 11:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for 95Outrage17  Send Email to 95Outrage17     
Wow! Impressive. And I thought the new Regulator 34 SS was awesome (it is). I couldn't imagine putting fuel in either of those boats though, or feeling good about their environmental impact. The Whaler is pretty cool though! A lot of interesting and useful features.

- Chris

seabob4 posted 02-11-2009 11:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for seabob4  Send Email to seabob4     
Well I tell you what, I've been around big gofast triple engine CCs for a long time. The 370 is by far the most well appointed, most feature packed, and one of the best looking I've come across. I think she would be better suited with 350s, try and get her closer to 60mph. The Yellowfin and Fountain guys will slam her if she doesn't get a bit more speed. I'm guessing, as equipped, pushing $400K.
bluewaterpirate posted 02-11-2009 11:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
I heard this morning Whaler is still treaking engine mounting and prop selection ..... looks like they're using 4 bladed at the moment. There is an option to add the 350 if you want to. It's a beast of a boat for sure 17000 - 18000 lbs fully loaded and ready to rumble.

On a side note ... one of the big rumblings in Miami is the diffculty Yamaha is having with the F350's the fly wheels coming apart around 300 hours. It's causing alot of damage to the motors when it happens. There is more on THT if you want to read about.

Miami will be interesting for sure!

seabob4 posted 02-11-2009 12:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for seabob4  Send Email to seabob4     
BWP,
Read that thread on the Yammi 350. According to Glen E, it is addressed in a "Service Bulletin". Doesn't that flywheel issue sound like something that would fall under the term "Recall"?

JMHO.

bluewaterpirate posted 02-11-2009 01:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
You would think so ... a gentleman posted a couple of pictures of the damage done to his F350. Power head replacement and fly wheel replacements all around. Sounds like Yamaha has had to re-engineer the fly wheel and assembly due to moderate to severe vibrations over 4000 rpm's.

Tom

bluewaterpirate posted 02-11-2009 01:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
The F350 has been great motor and Yamaha has stepped to the plate to rectify the issue. It was caused by a balancer arm on the fly wheel. Yamaha said it only effected 1% of the motors currently on the water. The motor in question was on a Grady White 33 Express. He's also had to replace a lower unit.

Tom

L H G posted 02-11-2009 01:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
These are the engines this boat needs. Listen to the sound of the blowers at higher RPM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pUOfC5qxl4

It's hard to think that any Optimax, E-tec, Suzuki or F-350 could run like these machines, or sound as good when doing so.

For these kind of applications, I think the high HP 4-strokes will dominate the market. The question is, in this economy and energy situation, is there much of a market for boats like this at all?

seabob4 posted 02-11-2009 02:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for seabob4  Send Email to seabob4     
Larry,
That is EXACTLY what they sound like! But it's a lot more fun when your sitting on the transom with those motors 3 feet from you, trust me!

Is the market viable to support the 37? If someone has a crystal ball, I'm sure they can answer that for you.

Ritzyrags posted 02-11-2009 02:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Nice big hull,
I love the stability shown.
She seems heavy and stylish.
I think that in time;
The next step in evolution for these types of large and fast boats may go to the "Aquafins" type of skimming option.
That will see the hull to be raised up at a specific speed and being supported by said fins will dramatically increase their speed AND reducing the hull drag thus fuel consumption.
It has been used in some of the fast foreign ferries in service for some decades.With a reasonable amount of success.
Still at those fast paces,I can't help to be concerned about hitting unseen objects that are the forever worries of every boaters.
TransAm posted 02-11-2009 02:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for TransAm    
If that 37 Outrage does in fact weigh 18,000lbs, it going to need a set up like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylFbY3sebB0&NR=1 to keep pace with the Fountain crowd.
bluewaterpirate posted 02-11-2009 02:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Here are my figures ....

Boat dry weight 13500 lbs
Three 300hp V-Rods 1920 lbs
450 gals of gas 3038 lbs
50 gals of water 350 lbs

Total without gear/passengers 18808 lbs

So the total weight loaded could be pushing 20000 lbs.

Now that's a beast of a boat!

seabob4 posted 02-11-2009 02:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for seabob4  Send Email to seabob4     
TA,
Do I hear 8? Yes, we've seen 8. How about 9? How about a pair of 1075SCs and call it a day.
Jeff posted 02-11-2009 03:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff  Send Email to Jeff     
Larry,

I have got to say the 350 Verado's on the 39 where very cool. I was on that boat and we saw 72 on the gps (best shot I got was 70.2). That thing sounded like an X-Wing fighter from Star Wars at WOT. Very cool, calm, confident, and velvet smooth.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ yqfe_s93FSJLR-DtFFXaBQ?feat=directlink
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http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ fRo2VyCYmt-D_JkQoHbKSg?feat=directlink

Call me an old school guy but, I still love the sound of Carb'd 2 stroke V-6's with all their stinking, raw, and raunchy goodness.
38 mph
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v427/jeff_rohlfing/Dads%2022/ Fall%20Fishing/?action=view¤t=DSCN1616.flv
WOT at 50 or so.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v427/jeff_rohlfing/Dads%2022/ Fall%20Fishing/?action=view¤t=DSCN1620.flv

Feejer posted 02-11-2009 05:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Feejer    
Very cool, but whats with throwing the cushion aside. My 1st question would be where do I store it? A glass bowl for the sink in the head?
trophyfish1958 posted 02-11-2009 06:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for trophyfish1958  Send Email to trophyfish1958     
Wow, 50 gal. to do 35mph, this is TERRIBLE. Great looking boat, but why didn't something like this come with the new Zeus/cummings diesels. Way to many other choices in this size range, that have much better #s. I believe the #s they are getting is even a dissapointment to management, that is why the talk of different props, height,ect, is out there, they know 50 gal to do 35mph, is not going to look good.
HAPPYJIM posted 02-11-2009 10:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for HAPPYJIM  Send Email to HAPPYJIM     
Very cool boat. The storage is great. It looks like Whaler hit the head on this one. Lots of space for fighting fish and make no mistake, this is a fish fighting machine.

There is still people out there with money that will buy this boat...not a lot but you don't need to sell a lot of these boats, just enough to turn a profit and show the rest of the boating community that you are capable of building a great fishing boat.

I would think that the charter guys will be looking at this on too.

kenv posted 02-12-2009 12:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for kenv  Send Email to kenv     
Based on the surprising numbers of 320's out there, I'm sure several will choose to upgrade to the 370. More room, more speed, more great features. Logical step up for a Whaler fan. Great video. My kids would love the sun pad with the flip down armrest! Off to play the lotto.
glen e posted 02-12-2009 05:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for glen e  Send Email to glen e     
I don't really share the optimism here. The boat is flat A$$ gorgeous and I like it's little details but...I read the comment about 'dailing in" the props and engine height is to be determined. I hope so. Because the big CC customers won't touch this boat and I fear the whaler crowd won't either. Why? It's too heavy. If this boat truly does get 35 mph out of 50 gph, they are hurting. A Fountain 38 with the same motors will use 42 gph AT 52 MPH! Throttling back to 35 mph and the fuel usage has got to be 33 or so. At 2.50 a gallon that's $42 more per hour to run the whaler.

Also looks like it runs way bow high -big CC's (even with the huge verados) can run very flat if designed right.

Peter posted 02-12-2009 09:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
I don't share the optimism either. I'm not sure who the target customer is for this boat. It's too heavy to compete with the large performance oriented triple power center console fishing machines such as a Yellowfin or the like. It doesn't have sufficient cabin accomodations to compete with a 36 foot triple powered outboard powered express such as a Grady White 360 or Pursuit 370 OS.

Seems to me as an attempt to be a jack of all trades boat but as we all know, "jacks" usually end up being a master of none. Also seems to have lots of gadgets which reminds me of a 1980s Japanese automobile -- weak on basic performance but loaded with distracting point of sale gadgets.

pat88 posted 02-12-2009 10:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for pat88  Send Email to pat88     
Nice looking boat. What’s so innovative??? How about a pair of high power Zeus Drives without the bow thruster, I think that would be an innovative design. It might have reeled in a few customers looking at an express or open model sport fisher.
How about an optional hydraulically operated swim platform that can be lowered down to the surface of the water or below it. That would make a better dive platform, then that little door with what kind of latter?? I didn’t see any in the floor.


Check out this Seavee 39 with the Volvo Penta IPS Drives
http://www.fishbuzz.tv/index.html?channel=centerconsole&videofile=fishbuzz/boatdirect/seavee39

pglein posted 02-12-2009 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
A 37' boat without diesels? What the hell are they thinking?
bluewaterpirate posted 02-12-2009 02:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Same thing Invincible, Yellowfin, Contender, Pursuit, MidNightExpress, and Fountain are. These manufacturers are hanging 4 and sometimes 5 outboards on the backend.
L H G posted 02-12-2009 03:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
From the financial news I'm reading, Fountain is not much longer for this world, without getting a new owner.
Ritzyrags posted 02-12-2009 06:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
http://www.fishbuzz.tv/index.html?channel=centerconsole& videofile=fishbuzz/boatdirect/seavee39
glen e posted 02-12-2009 06:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for glen e  Send Email to glen e     
was on the 37 outrageous today - $450K at it sits at the show. 350 Mercs are not an option, acc to a whaler rep.
seabob4 posted 02-12-2009 10:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for seabob4  Send Email to seabob4     
Guess I was a little shy at "pushing $400K"...

Lotto rollover last night?

lurkynot posted 02-17-2009 09:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for lurkynot  Send Email to lurkynot     
5 numbers & the powerball thi weekend and I will be musky trolling Lake St. Clair in style.
jimh posted 02-17-2009 10:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
For TRAFFIC LAWYER: "Peep."
mgeiger posted 02-18-2009 08:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for mgeiger    
New thread for Mods section: "Where should I put the Glass Sink on my 86 Montauk?"
20dauntless posted 02-18-2009 09:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
Perhaps this should go into the ELECTRICAL section, but is Whaler now offering RayMarine electronics on their boats? Personally I don't know if it really matters, since most experienced buyers can order a boat without electronics and spec whatever they want, but it would be interesting if Whaler did change suppliers and why.
andygere posted 02-18-2009 12:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Interesting boat with a lot of features, but it seems like a lot of money for what is really just a spiffed out day boat. 50 gallons per hour seems really excessive; how much fuel does this thing carry? Also, the promotional video should show the boat running in some hairy conditions, not doing doughnuts in the harbor. Remember the old catalogs that showed Montauks running in sloppy seas next to 50 foot sportfishers?

Some thoughts on the boat's features:

-I like the little flip-down platform at the helm for shorter skippers, but can that thing really withstand the pounding it will take when somebody is standing on it in rough seas?

-Despite all the neat-o storage innovations, there is still no place to put a big 128 qt. cooler. How do you get all your fish off the boat, drag them down the dock by the gills?

-The trunk-like rod storage locker is a neat idea, but I noticed the rods looked like very short, heavy units. Any idea what rod length that space will accommodate?

-Does the little cocktail table in the bow really need to be on an electrical lift? That seems like a marine electrician's nightmare after a year or two in the salt.

-Does the tiny sofa in the console head finally confirm that it really is the "ladies room"?

-The little slide-out locker for hanging little baggies of rigged lures seems like a huge waste of space.

-The helm looks great, with nice flip down bolsters, big instrument displays, glass windshield with wiper, etc.

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