POST CLASSIC--Performance With Particular Loads

  ContinuousWave
  Whaler
  Moderated Discussion Areas
  ContinuousWave: The Whaler GAM or General Area
  POST CLASSIC--Performance With Particular Loads

search | FAQ | profile | register | author help

Author Topic:   POST CLASSIC--Performance With Particular Loads

ponyboy13 posted 02-26-2009 04:11 PM ET (US)
Considering purchasing a 150 Montauk. Can it accomodate four adults reasonably well on ocassion from a comfort perspective as well as ability to get up on plane?
Primary usage will be just two people on the Finger Lakes.

RiverRunner posted 02-26-2009 05:55 PM ET (US)
Ponyboy,
Your question depends on several things such as:
1. Do they mind standing?
2. How heavy are they?
3. How much h.p. is the motor?
4. What is the prop pitch?
These are just a few. I would have to say that generally speaking, you should have no problem...
Enjoy!!
ponyboy13 posted 02-26-2009 06:05 PM ET (US)
Standing wouldn't be a problem. It would be a new 2008 150 Montauk with the standard Merc 60HP Bigfoot four stroke.
frontier posted 02-26-2009 07:11 PM ET (US)
The new 150 Montauk weighs 950# w/o motor or gear.
About the same weight as a classic 17 Whaler.
My guess is you'll be wishing you had more power. I am confused as to why Boston Whaler only rated that boat for 60 HP.
We have a classic 17, which is rated for and has a 90 HP.
With a load of people, the extra power is appreciated.
You can always throttle back.
elaelap posted 02-26-2009 08:12 PM ET (US)
I agree with frontier that your boat might be a little sluggish with four adults on board, but I doubt that there will be a problem getting up onto plane. I've got a 1987 classic 15 center console with basically the same motor (but a Yamaha non-"Bigfoot" model). Bare hull my classic is spec'd at 550 lbs (at least a couple of hundred pounds less than the new MT 150s), and I'd guess my console doesn't add more than about 40 lbs. I've only had four adults in the boat one time, but the power difference was dramatic compared with just me or with me and one adult. Instead of instantly jumping up onto plane, with four on board it took several seconds and the boat felt like it was struggling to stay on plane at anything less than about 4500 rpm, a thousand turns more than it comfortably cruises with just me on board.
Tony
Tohsgib posted 02-27-2009 09:13 AM ET (US)
I had a classic 17' with a Suzuki 70hp and 4 people was not problem. 5 people and she would get sluggish but would still be OK.
Feejer posted 02-27-2009 10:29 AM ET (US)
All depends how "Large" these adults are. My wife is 115, I'm 220. I have a few buddies around 250.
BlueMax posted 02-27-2009 10:37 AM ET (US)
Feej - I hope your wife doesn't read these boards... ;-)
ponyboy13 posted 02-27-2009 01:28 PM ET (US)
4 people for a total of about 600 pounds
Tohsgib posted 02-27-2009 01:41 PM ET (US)
Should not be a problem at all.
FRSam posted 02-27-2009 03:58 PM ET (US)
I've got a 150 Montauk with a 60HP Bigfoot and with three adults and two children I had no problem getting the boat up on plane. As far as comfort so long as its not a cold choppy day you should be fine. But I've got to admit at times a little more HP would be nice.
Pete
macfam posted 02-28-2009 07:31 AM ET (US)
When I had my 1964 Nauset, I repowered with a Mercury 70hp 2-stroke. Many times I had 4 adults onboard, and it performed fine. Surely not the same as me alone, but still adequate.
I would think the 150 Montauk would be a bit sluggish getting up, but still adequate.
On a side note: Its just my opinion, but Brunwick always gave me the impression that they were not customer minded.
They stuck me as the type of company that "they knew best" and "you're gonna take it the way we make it". The only exception I can think of was when they recently increased the size/height of the Montauk 170 console. But that took several years.
I can only assume that the production costs/profint were the driving force behind their decisions.
For the longest time the 130 had few or no cleats to try up at a dock. Yeah, that's keeping the customer in mind.
The 150 Sport and Montauk have no power options. Take the 60...or take the 60. Does that help with their production cost? Sure does. Does it give the costomer any options........Sure doesn't.
To drive this point home even more: I beleive that Brusnwick's master marketing plan was to consolidate as many boat lines and sources as possible, and give cutomers even less options. If you want a Whaler, Cabo, Searay, etc you'll get it with their motor, trailer, electonics, options etc.
Huh, great business strategy: "Put all your eggs in one very fragile basket with a loose handle"
It doesn't take an economic genius to determine that the FIRST thing to go in a weak economy is BOATING.
I'm not surprised that Brunswick is on their knees.
I won't be surprised if they end up in bankrupcy selling off the pieces.

alvispollard posted 03-02-2009 06:16 AM ET (US)
Expect 30 mph (WOT) and a cruising speed of 22. Numbers on my montauk 17 with Mercury 60 four stroke efi. This is with 4 adults (800 #). 8 MPG!
jimh posted 03-02-2009 08:16 PM ET (US)
Follow up with further discussion for Boston Whaler boats first designed and manufactured after 1990 in the POST-CLASSIC discussion. The POST-CLASSIC discussion concentrates on topics related to Boston Whaler boats that first appeared in c.1990 or after.

Hop to:

Contact Us | RETURN to ContinuousWave Top Page

Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000
Purchase our Licensed Version- which adds many more features!
© Infopop Corporation (formerly Madrona Park, Inc.), 1998 - 2000.

Author	Topic: POST CLASSIC--Performance With Particular Loads
ponyboy13	posted 02-26-2009 04:11 PM ET (US) Considering purchasing a 150 Montauk. Can it accomodate four adults reasonably well on ocassion from a comfort perspective as well as ability to get up on plane? Primary usage will be just two people on the Finger Lakes.
RiverRunner	posted 02-26-2009 05:55 PM ET (US) Ponyboy, Your question depends on several things such as: 1. Do they mind standing? 2. How heavy are they? 3. How much h.p. is the motor? 4. What is the prop pitch? These are just a few. I would have to say that generally speaking, you should have no problem... Enjoy!!
ponyboy13	posted 02-26-2009 06:05 PM ET (US) Standing wouldn't be a problem. It would be a new 2008 150 Montauk with the standard Merc 60HP Bigfoot four stroke.
frontier	posted 02-26-2009 07:11 PM ET (US) The new 150 Montauk weighs 950# w/o motor or gear. About the same weight as a classic 17 Whaler. My guess is you'll be wishing you had more power. I am confused as to why Boston Whaler only rated that boat for 60 HP. We have a classic 17, which is rated for and has a 90 HP. With a load of people, the extra power is appreciated. You can always throttle back.
elaelap	posted 02-26-2009 08:12 PM ET (US) I agree with frontier that your boat might be a little sluggish with four adults on board, but I doubt that there will be a problem getting up onto plane. I've got a 1987 classic 15 center console with basically the same motor (but a Yamaha non-"Bigfoot" model). Bare hull my classic is spec'd at 550 lbs (at least a couple of hundred pounds less than the new MT 150s), and I'd guess my console doesn't add more than about 40 lbs. I've only had four adults in the boat one time, but the power difference was dramatic compared with just me or with me and one adult. Instead of instantly jumping up onto plane, with four on board it took several seconds and the boat felt like it was struggling to stay on plane at anything less than about 4500 rpm, a thousand turns more than it comfortably cruises with just me on board. Tony
Tohsgib	posted 02-27-2009 09:13 AM ET (US) I had a classic 17' with a Suzuki 70hp and 4 people was not problem. 5 people and she would get sluggish but would still be OK.
Feejer	posted 02-27-2009 10:29 AM ET (US) All depends how "Large" these adults are. My wife is 115, I'm 220. I have a few buddies around 250.
BlueMax	posted 02-27-2009 10:37 AM ET (US) Feej - I hope your wife doesn't read these boards... ;-)
ponyboy13	posted 02-27-2009 01:28 PM ET (US) 4 people for a total of about 600 pounds
Tohsgib	posted 02-27-2009 01:41 PM ET (US) Should not be a problem at all.
FRSam	posted 02-27-2009 03:58 PM ET (US) I've got a 150 Montauk with a 60HP Bigfoot and with three adults and two children I had no problem getting the boat up on plane. As far as comfort so long as its not a cold choppy day you should be fine. But I've got to admit at times a little more HP would be nice. Pete
macfam	posted 02-28-2009 07:31 AM ET (US) When I had my 1964 Nauset, I repowered with a Mercury 70hp 2-stroke. Many times I had 4 adults onboard, and it performed fine. Surely not the same as me alone, but still adequate. I would think the 150 Montauk would be a bit sluggish getting up, but still adequate. On a side note: Its just my opinion, but Brunwick always gave me the impression that they were not customer minded. They stuck me as the type of company that "they knew best" and "you're gonna take it the way we make it". The only exception I can think of was when they recently increased the size/height of the Montauk 170 console. But that took several years. I can only assume that the production costs/profint were the driving force behind their decisions. For the longest time the 130 had few or no cleats to try up at a dock. Yeah, that's keeping the customer in mind. The 150 Sport and Montauk have no power options. Take the 60...or take the 60. Does that help with their production cost? Sure does. Does it give the costomer any options........Sure doesn't. To drive this point home even more: I beleive that Brusnwick's master marketing plan was to consolidate as many boat lines and sources as possible, and give cutomers even less options. If you want a Whaler, Cabo, Searay, etc you'll get it with their motor, trailer, electonics, options etc. Huh, great business strategy: "Put all your eggs in one very fragile basket with a loose handle" It doesn't take an economic genius to determine that the FIRST thing to go in a weak economy is BOATING. I'm not surprised that Brunswick is on their knees. I won't be surprised if they end up in bankrupcy selling off the pieces.
alvispollard	posted 03-02-2009 06:16 AM ET (US) Expect 30 mph (WOT) and a cruising speed of 22. Numbers on my montauk 17 with Mercury 60 four stroke efi. This is with 4 adults (800 #). 8 MPG!
jimh	posted 03-02-2009 08:16 PM ET (US) Follow up with further discussion for Boston Whaler boats first designed and manufactured after 1990 in the POST-CLASSIC discussion. The POST-CLASSIC discussion concentrates on topics related to Boston Whaler boats that first appeared in c.1990 or after.