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chrisfer posted 03-29-2009 08:20 PM ET (US)   Profile for chrisfer   Send Email to chrisfer  
I have a 1965 Whaler with a 1984 Johnson 70. The 70 works pretty well, but I have been having a lot of problems with it lately. The tilt is unreliable and loud if it works. The lower unit locks up sometimes. I was thinking of putting on a 75-HP E-TEC. The 75-HP E-TEC engine seems like a good fit. I have $5,000 to do this, and I don't want a loan if I can avoid it. Is $5,000 enough money to purchase the E-TEC 75-HP? I can install it if need be, but I would prefer to have someone else do it. The boat looks like hell, but is generally in good shape and I just rewired it.

I like the Whaler, but I fish and dive out of Barnegat Inlet a lot (no more than 10 miles out). It feels bit small some days, but generally works well for this purpose. I can't afford a new boat unless it is $5,000.

Does anyone have a 75 E-TEC on a similar boat? How do you like it? What would you do in my situation?

bloller posted 03-29-2009 08:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for bloller  Send Email to bloller     
I seriously doubt you will be able to find a new 75 HP E-TEC close to $5,000. Also considering that your current motor is of some age, you will probably have to buy new control cables and wiring harness. The 75 HP E-TEC is not a common repower for a 16' or 17' Whaler since the 90 E-TEC weighs the same and can be had for only a few hundred dollars more. It would probably top out at about 39- to 40-MPH.
There are plenty of re-power options out there for less money than a 75 or 90 HP E-TEC. 60 HP E-TEC, Mercury or Yamaha or a 70 or 90 HP Yamaha two-cycle if they are still available just to name a few.
jimh posted 03-29-2009 09:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Contact an Evinrude dealer in your area to get an idea of the price of a new Evinrude motor. I suspect you will find that the three cylinder E-TEC motors are in the range of $6,500 to $7,000. If you do not want to perform the installation and re-fitting of the motor yourself, be prepared to pay for the work. I suspect that installation, some new rigging, a new propeller, and initial set up will add at least $500 to the cost.

A running 70-HP has some value, and a dealer may be willing to take it on trade if you purchase a new motor. Spring is a good time to sell a motor, so you may find a buyer yourself.

To discuss how your boat will perform when re-powered, please use the PERFORMANCE discussion, and give us some details about your boat.

RMS posted 04-02-2009 10:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for RMS  Send Email to RMS     
There's a Yamaha dealer in Lake Hopatcong NJ selling new, in crate engines that are old stock. I bought an unused 1999 90hp 2 stroke from him a couple weeks ago. The dealer advertizes on Craigs List. The dealer thinks the engines are 25" shafts, they are in fact 20" He had a 70hp model for sale a week ago. Cost is well within your budget. Bob
annapoliswhaler posted 04-02-2009 12:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for annapoliswhaler    
During my search to repower, I came across a Mercury dealer in DE tht would sell you remanufactured engines (in addition to brand new ones). These were explained to me to be engines with as little as two or three hours, and some minor or cosmetic blemishes. They were repaired by Mercury and available for sale. The 60 four stroke could be had back in January for about 4500, plus installation, which was a discount of about 1300 or 1400 from a brand new engine. Located in Newark/Wilmington?
merc125 posted 04-04-2009 03:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for merc125  Send Email to merc125     
I am interested in your 70 if it reasonably free from corrosion. Thanks MartyD
jimh posted 04-05-2009 08:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Mercury sells used Mercury engines it calls remanufactured engines as well as engines it calls certified pre-owned engines. In the later case, the engine is not remanufactured but just inspected and tested.

The link below takes you to the home page of Mercury Remanufacturing:

http://sites.mercurymarine.com/portal/page?_pageid=33,1&_dad=portal& _schema=PORTAL

Under the heading of remanufactured products, only components of outboard engines are sold. For example you can buy a power head or a gear case, but you cannot buy a complete outboard motor.

Under the heading of certified pre-owned you are informed that you can buy a complete outboard motor through your dealer.

Several years ago I inquired with my local dealer about the availability of used engines being sold by Mercury. I had been talking to a Mercury field technical representative (at a Boston Whaler dealer event) who had told me about this program, and he seemed rather positive in his comments about the engines. I was correspondingly enthusiastic about the possibility of getting an engine at a discount--well, aren't we all--and the Mercury used engine program seemed like a good way to do that. I asked my local dealer about it.

The dealer, however, was not so enthusiastic about the Mercury used engine program. He explained that these became available from time to time, and he could put in a "bid" for them--I think that was how he explained the process. But the dealer was not particularly encouraging about selling me one. In retrospect, I can see his point of view. As a dealer, he would certainly prefer to sell a new product with a full warranty, and sell at a full retail price.

I also got widely varying accounts of the typical history of an engine I might get in the program. The most favorable version described the engines as being hardly used, completely refurbished, gone over with a fine-toothed comb, carefully returned to new condition, etc. Less favorable accounts described the products as being given a cursory inspection, cleaned up, tested, and re-package for shipment. These stories tended to align themselves with the tellers. If the teller was a Mercury employee, the engines were always hardly used, carefully checked, and great bargains. If the teller was a Mercury independent dealer, the engines were ones that had blown up and were replaced under warranty or run hard for a season at a fishing camp, given a good clean-up, and covered by a limited warranty, thus caveat emptor.

If you give this situation a little thought, you see that each version of the story has the teller's self interest well represented. At the corporate level, if you have truckloads of engines that you have taken back from customers for various reasons, or engines the company has used itself in promotion, and you need to re-sell these engines, it is natural to put the word out to prospective end-users that these are great deals and terrific bargains. On the other hand, if you are a dealer trying to make a living from selling engines, you probably do not embrace the concept of your supplier sponsoring an alternative distribution channel in which the customer can pay far less than retail and get a completely equivalent product.

The warranty offered by Mercury on the used engines it sells appears to be limited to one year.

annapoliswhaler posted 04-05-2009 10:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for annapoliswhaler    
jimh is right... buying one of these gets you only a one year warranty versus the three year warranty on a new engine. In the long run, is it worth the savings, probably not. (That's one of the reasons I didn't bite on that program as well)

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