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Tom W Clark posted 05-10-2009 11:45 AM ET (US)   Profile for Tom W Clark   Send Email to Tom W Clark  
I love my Flo-Scan Twin Scan fuel flow meter in my Revenge 25. It is amazingly accurate.

Yesterday, before I launched my boat, I decided to swing by the gas station and fill the tank. The Flo-Scan fuel totalizer indicated that I had used 74.2 gallons of fuel since the last time I topped off.

The pump shut of at 74.041 gallons which is perfectly consistent with the other times I have filled the tank.

I have to admit I almost never bother to look at the mechanical under-deck fuel gauge in the tank any more.

I was also pleased to *only* have spent $175 on gas. Admittedly, the tank was only half empty but still, the $2.37 I paid was much less painful than the $4.50 I paid last August.

Yesterday's round trip to Bainbridge Island used 8.4 gallons of fuel. At $2.50/gal (with the oil cost added in) the trip was far more economical than taking car across on the Washington State Ferry.

It was also much faster; 20 minutes each way. For those who endure the Seattle-Bainbridge commute on the WSF system, this ought to cause great envy ;-)

Perry posted 05-10-2009 12:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
I have to agree that fuel flow meters are very handy. I think it's the guage that I look at most frequently on my console dash. My Navman fuel 3100 displays MPG or GPH and MPH (from GPS) as well an accurate fuel level. After a few minor calibrations, the instrument is extremely accurate.
Tohsgib posted 05-10-2009 12:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
I keep saying I will buy one but have not gotten around to it. Maybe for my 40th B-Day in August. Problem I have is it is really great when connected to a GPS so you get MPG and can dial in the best rpm to cruise at. Will a cheap handheld(Garmin E-trex) work or do I need a real unit?
Dan posted 05-10-2009 12:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
Tom can you post a link to a Flo-Scan gauge that would work on my 1990 18 Outrage? Thanks.
Tom W Clark posted 05-10-2009 01:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Dan,

The Flo-Scan does not care what boat you have, it is the motor that it monitors.

Dan posted 05-10-2009 02:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
What would work with twin 70 Yamahas?
Tom W Clark posted 05-10-2009 03:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
http://www.floscan.com/html/blue/seriesdetail.php?sid=14&catid=2
Keeper posted 05-10-2009 04:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Keeper  Send Email to Keeper     
It would have been nicer if you said, Admittedly, the tank was only half 'full'.
He he
Just kiddin.
Sounds like a nice piece of equipment.
Thanks

Keeper

jimh posted 05-10-2009 04:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
My NAVMAN 3100 FUEL gauge is the best addition to my boat. I love it.
acseatsri posted 05-10-2009 05:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for acseatsri  Send Email to acseatsri     
I have the Northstar F210 ($120) and get ALMOST the same accuracy, usually reading around 2 gallons less than I actually take on a 60 gallon fill-up. I've been too lazy to re-read the manual and calibrate it.

PS- I believe the inaccuracy is at low RPM when the Etec burns less than .4 GPH, which I spend a good portion of my time just going in and out of the marina.

Dan posted 05-10-2009 07:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
Tom, thanks for the link. Do I also need two fuel sending units, or does it come with those? Also, will this work with 1989 Yamaha 70hp motors? Should I get the 0-16 gph scale? I can't imagine the motor using more than that.
hauptjm posted 05-10-2009 07:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
Am I correct in assuming I can't use one of these on a carburetor, two-stroke? I tried the model selector on their website, to no avail. I have a 1995 OMC, 150hp.
20dauntless posted 05-10-2009 07:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
You certainly CAN use one of these on a carbed 2 stroke. I don't know which models exactly, but I know that at least some of them are compatible.
acseatsri posted 05-10-2009 07:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for acseatsri  Send Email to acseatsri     
I think the limitations are that the engine CANNOT have a fuel return line and the flow rate must be enough to measure accurately. I believe the Northstar unit will work on 115 hp and above.
Tom W Clark posted 05-10-2009 07:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I use my 0-16 GPH TwinScan with my 1989 Mercury 150s two strokes which are equipped with carburetors.

I used to have a FloScan on my Outrage 18 which was powered by a 1983 Johnson 150 and then later, a 1990 Johnson 150.

I am not sure why the FloScan website seems to avoid mentioning carb'ed outboards .

Peter posted 05-10-2009 07:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
I have a Navman F3100 on my 27 Whaler WD. I went with that five years ago over the FloScan TwinScan because it could display instant MPG based on the flow of both motors. I probably look at that more than any other gauge. The FloScan TwinScan won't do that.

If I were going to install a fuel flow monitor today, I'd probably go with a couple of Garmin GFS 10 fuel flow sensors and connect them to a Garmin 42## series multi-function displays or a Garmin GMI 10 marine instrument display.

Perry posted 05-10-2009 11:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Nick, to answer your question, yes. I have hooked up my fuel flow meter to my e-trex when my other GPS was being serviced and it communicated fine and gave me MPH and MPG readings. You need to buy the connector and stay on battery power though.
Peter posted 05-11-2009 07:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
"Will a cheap handheld(Garmin E-trex) work or do I need a real unit?"

With respect to the Navman F3100 (not sure if you can get one of these anymore, might be able to get as a NorthStar F310), all you need is a GPS unit (cheap or expensive) that can output speed data in the NMEA 0183 protocol.

Tohsgib posted 05-11-2009 11:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
cool.

I have a decent GPS unit in my garage I bought from LHG about 8 years ago...I'm on the ball as you can see.

Tom W Clark posted 05-19-2012 11:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Update: I still love my FloScan.

I just filled the tank in my Revenge 25 and the FloScan indicated I had used 136 gallons since the last fill up.

When the fuel nozzle at the gas station tripped, the pump read 136.07 gallons.

I do not, however, love the $4.18/gallon it cost me to fill the tank.

Chriscz posted 05-21-2012 10:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chriscz  Send Email to Chriscz     
So which flow scan would you recommend buying now, for 1999 mercury 150s.

I was confused about the gas price for the whole thread and did't know why no one had jumped in, until the last post:)
Ps Can you make the rendezvous?

martyn1075 posted 05-22-2012 12:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
I am a supporter of the flo scan system as well. Despite a few members opinions on what "my" boat averages in MPG's (crazy) I find it to be very accurate system for fuel management and combined with a GPS can gather as accurate as its going to be performance data.

For instance its helped me a great deal on how to use my engines in a manner where I feel I use them to my advantage or as a tool. Instrument data specifically rpm's and tilt trim as well trim tab settings have a large part in the data that the flow scan measures. This helps a great deal understanding how your boat is operated.

The tank is rather large so its very nice to know for planning trips. Its always good to put a little more in but I can measure a trip and know pretty much what we will burn on average. I wouldn't have a clue without it, too much fuel to manage.

PS: Tom cheer up I am nearly 4 hours away and we are instructed to pay $5.83 for that same gallon. If you caught my latest thread the Opti oil is nearly $100 more on average. I know the price of gas is not good either way but you guys are doing just fine down their when it comes to gas and oil trust me.
Martyn

Tom W Clark posted 05-22-2012 12:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Chris -- You want the FloScan 0-16 GPH TwinScan:

http://www.floscan.com/html/blue/seriesdetail.php?sid=14&catid=2

Tom W Clark posted 05-22-2012 01:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Actually, FloScan recommends the 0-24 GPH model but my 1989 carb'ed Mercury 150s do not exceed 16 GPH at WOT and I do not think your EFI Mercury 150s suck any more than that. You could go with either model.

Shop around; you can buy this for half of its $865 list price. FloScan is an excellent long time Seattle company still located right behind the University Village on Blakeley St.

Chriscz posted 05-22-2012 10:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chriscz  Send Email to Chriscz     
How difficult is the install? I really like the idea on not dealing with the manual fuel gauge.
Tom W Clark posted 05-22-2012 12:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Chris -- The Installation is very straightforward. You can read the instructions here:

http://floscan.com/html/Manuals/TwinScanGPH-LPH.pdf

Yes, my FloScan is a very accurate gas gauge and probably if highest and best use to me now. I almost never bother to look at the mechanical gauge anymore but the totalizer is right in front of me at all times.

If you wonder how I could have run a 140 (useable) gallon tank down to only 4 gallons left, it is only because of the accuracy and reliability of the FloScan which has proved itself to me over the last seven years. I am able to do very precise trip planning and fuel management thanks to this device.

It has also been VERY useful during propeller testing and taught me at what speed I get the best fuel mileage. Thanks to the FloScan, I have learned which of the twelve sets of propellers I have tested on my own 25' Whaler give the best fuel mileage and once I had that figured out I improved my boat's mileage by 15 percent over the time I bought it from its original owner.

[Aside: If you are still running those 14" x 17" Offshores that Royce had on there, they are not good propellers for your boat at ll. You can do much better.}

I highly recommend the installation of a FloScan TwinScan on your boat. I would be happy to assist you with its installation, my schedule allowing.

Chriscz posted 05-22-2012 07:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chriscz  Send Email to Chriscz     
Tom, Yes I am still running the offshore prop from Royce. What would you recommend?
Also I willstart checking into finding a good price on the Flo-Scan, getting to know the fuel consumption of the engines would be very valuable for trip planning etc. Right now it smore of a "never let it get too low policy" on my part.
Tom W Clark posted 05-23-2012 09:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
How about you install the FloScan then gather some baseline data with those Offshore propellers? Then I can help you test some others and you'll see what a difference the right prop makes.

I am running the Mercury MIRAGEplus on my 25 for best fuel economy and handling. My top speed increased as well, though that was not important to me.

Tom W Clark posted 05-23-2012 10:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
http://www.hodgesmarine.com/ FLOSCAN-3FB012U1-BLK-BLK-0-24GPH-EFI-CARB-OB-150-2-p/flo3fb012u1.htm
Salmon Tub posted 05-23-2012 10:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Salmon Tub  Send Email to Salmon Tub     
Hey Tom, how's that pleasant feeling of paying $2.37 a gallon going for you?

Just kidding, but seriously, looks like this is going to be a lean boating season again over here. Luckily we got into kayaking our coast a few years ago so we are still able to get into the fish, just with a bit of a smaller hit to the pocketbook.

Sorry to hijack this thread a bit but when I read that line in your original post, I started packing my bags for WA until I saw the date of the original post.

Ah, the good old days, seems like they were just a few years ago. Wait, they were...

JMARTIN posted 05-24-2012 12:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
Oh no!

You brought up fuel prices in the PNW. It's just supply problems, four real McCoy refineries and five truck racks near I5 and wholesale fuel is .25 cents a gallon less expensive in Spokane?

Diesel wholesale .25 cents below unlead. Fill the Trawler.

John

martyn1075 posted 05-24-2012 01:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
John I know the feeling we have our own oil and we ship out to other countries includes USA who get it cheaper then the people who live on the land. Our government claims thats just needed Canadian taxes. LOL $1.83 more a us gallon ha ha right!

Martyn

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