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SC Joe posted 07-04-2009 07:27 PM ET (US)
I know..whatever someone will pay for it, right?
What is the "going price" for one that has about 50 hours, Smartcraft ready, along with all the controls and gauges (non Smartcraft)?
chuck21401 posted 07-04-2009 09:40 PM ET (US)
Are you going to take the plunge and get an E-TEC? I hope you consider getting a 115hp model. That should get you to 50 mph. :)
SC Joe posted 07-05-2009 01:07 AM ET (US)
If I can get a decent price for my Mercury..maybe. I'm going to call some dealers Monday and see what the difference $$ wise is. I'll look at a Yamaha as well.
I am concerned a 90 HP E-TEC won't have the same torque the 90 HP Mercury does.
johnhenry posted 07-05-2009 10:57 AM ET (US)
Sorry to see you so unhappy with the 90 4 stroke Mercury. I know you had engine trouble. Besides the boat being out of commission, is there something that you have found out that has totally soured you on the engine? I have the same boat, same smartcraft set up, but a few less hours 20+-. Won't your dealer give you any priority on repairs, besides the fact that they don't seem to take care of your boat while in their possession? Is it more common than not for a whaler dealer to have dissatisfied customers? It makes you wonder who to go to for help. Have you tried dealing with a Mercury tech, that does not work for a whaler dealer?
SC Joe posted 07-05-2009 01:24 PM ET (US)
I've never been a Mercury fan. It's not so much this one issue I've had; I just have never cared for the engine. I bought the boat, not so much the Mercury. Might be just better to separate it now if the price is right.
Phil T posted 07-05-2009 11:19 PM ET (US)
Joe -
In reading this thread, I swear I'm having de'ja vu.
In my version, the poster wants to trade in their low hour, recently purchased engine for another brand. In the end, the cost of the new motor, replacing all the gauges, throttle and harnesses, less his trade is too much.
SC Joe posted 07-06-2009 09:58 AM ET (US)
Phil--I spoke to the local Evinrude dealer a few months ago (who has since gone out of business), and you are correct--they were too high.
This time i may go at it a bit differently and talk to the dealer who can order them but doesn't stock them, and also about a Yamaha replacement. Up until now, I haven't really had a legitimate reason to trade out aside from i thought the motor looked to big back there. Now it's easier to rationalize :).
Dan posted 07-06-2009 10:43 AM ET (US)
Would it be cheaper to sell the boat, and then buy another one without power?
L H G posted 07-06-2009 10:57 AM ET (US)
Check with your Insurance Agent before you overpower. Many companies won't insure it at all, and the ones that will will charge a surcharge percentage, depending on what percentage you overpower.
Go fo the 90 E-tec. Many of us are just waiting for someone to make this move on a 170, and would like to see how it runs, both performance and fuel economy, against your current Merc Verado block engine. Might also look at the hot little Honda and Suzuki 90's.
johnhenry posted 07-06-2009 11:38 AM ET (US)
I think that the 08 170 does not have maximum horsepower rating on plate, I think it goes by weight?? I may be wrong but as I recall the engine could not weigh over 415lbs
SC Joe posted 07-06-2009 01:04 PM ET (US)
The Montauk 170 does have a maximum HP plate above the Whaler plate that references a maximum 410 lb outboard. The plate that states where the boat is made and how many people it can hold also states that it's maximum HP is 90 hp. I find it curious that given the Mercury is the only engine I can buy with a (new) Montauk 170, why would Boston Whaler need to install the "maximum engine weight" plate?
My biggest concern with the E-TEC 90 hp is that it will not propel the Montauk 170 to the same top speed as the Mercury 90 hp to around 44 mph. I think the much larger displacement and higher numerical gear ratio of the Mercury gives it an edge in torque that the smaller displacement E-TEC will not have. Mathematics say this is not so; real world experiences with E-TEC 90's on smaller, lighter classic Montauks prove me correct.
The E-TEC 115 would be a better fit for the boat, but as stated, insurance issues could be a problem. After I dropped my boat off this morning, I briefly spoke to a dealer who can order the E-TEC for me. He stated he would take the Mercury on trade, but would have to see my engine before quoting a firm price. He ballparked a $6-7K difference, plus prices for rigging and gauges (another $1K or so). Would it be cheaper to trade the boat on something else? Probably. I am going to look at online dealer prices for the E-TEC and what I could sell my mercury for, as well as look more into the insurance regulations.
Dick E posted 07-06-2009 03:17 PM ET (US)
Ed Super Marine has $6800 for a new E-TEC that means giving nothing for your motor. Used motor price are down, but try to sell your motor outright with the warranty. Your going to take a bath selling that motor, it only a question of how wet you will get.
L H G posted 07-06-2009 04:07 PM ET (US)
See here for some realistic guidelines on pricing, better than Ed's. E-tecs should be the same as the Optimax pricing.
http://jacosmarine.com/
The 90 4-strokes are now selling for $5995., so yours should be worth about $4500. Note the brand new Mercury offerings highlighted in green. A 220 HP 2.5 liter V-6 Optimax is looking attractive.

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Author	Topic: Value of 2008 90 hp Mercury FourStroke
SC Joe	posted 07-04-2009 07:27 PM ET (US) I know..whatever someone will pay for it, right? What is the "going price" for one that has about 50 hours, Smartcraft ready, along with all the controls and gauges (non Smartcraft)?
chuck21401	posted 07-04-2009 09:40 PM ET (US) Are you going to take the plunge and get an E-TEC? I hope you consider getting a 115hp model. That should get you to 50 mph. :)
SC Joe	posted 07-05-2009 01:07 AM ET (US) If I can get a decent price for my Mercury..maybe. I'm going to call some dealers Monday and see what the difference $$ wise is. I'll look at a Yamaha as well. I am concerned a 90 HP E-TEC won't have the same torque the 90 HP Mercury does.
johnhenry	posted 07-05-2009 10:57 AM ET (US) Sorry to see you so unhappy with the 90 4 stroke Mercury. I know you had engine trouble. Besides the boat being out of commission, is there something that you have found out that has totally soured you on the engine? I have the same boat, same smartcraft set up, but a few less hours 20+-. Won't your dealer give you any priority on repairs, besides the fact that they don't seem to take care of your boat while in their possession? Is it more common than not for a whaler dealer to have dissatisfied customers? It makes you wonder who to go to for help. Have you tried dealing with a Mercury tech, that does not work for a whaler dealer?
SC Joe	posted 07-05-2009 01:24 PM ET (US) I've never been a Mercury fan. It's not so much this one issue I've had; I just have never cared for the engine. I bought the boat, not so much the Mercury. Might be just better to separate it now if the price is right.
Phil T	posted 07-05-2009 11:19 PM ET (US) Joe - In reading this thread, I swear I'm having de'ja vu. In my version, the poster wants to trade in their low hour, recently purchased engine for another brand. In the end, the cost of the new motor, replacing all the gauges, throttle and harnesses, less his trade is too much.
SC Joe	posted 07-06-2009 09:58 AM ET (US) Phil--I spoke to the local Evinrude dealer a few months ago (who has since gone out of business), and you are correct--they were too high. This time i may go at it a bit differently and talk to the dealer who can order them but doesn't stock them, and also about a Yamaha replacement. Up until now, I haven't really had a legitimate reason to trade out aside from i thought the motor looked to big back there. Now it's easier to rationalize :).
Dan	posted 07-06-2009 10:43 AM ET (US) Would it be cheaper to sell the boat, and then buy another one without power?
L H G	posted 07-06-2009 10:57 AM ET (US) Check with your Insurance Agent before you overpower. Many companies won't insure it at all, and the ones that will will charge a surcharge percentage, depending on what percentage you overpower. Go fo the 90 E-tec. Many of us are just waiting for someone to make this move on a 170, and would like to see how it runs, both performance and fuel economy, against your current Merc Verado block engine. Might also look at the hot little Honda and Suzuki 90's.
johnhenry	posted 07-06-2009 11:38 AM ET (US) I think that the 08 170 does not have maximum horsepower rating on plate, I think it goes by weight?? I may be wrong but as I recall the engine could not weigh over 415lbs
SC Joe	posted 07-06-2009 01:04 PM ET (US) The Montauk 170 does have a maximum HP plate above the Whaler plate that references a maximum 410 lb outboard. The plate that states where the boat is made and how many people it can hold also states that it's maximum HP is 90 hp. I find it curious that given the Mercury is the only engine I can buy with a (new) Montauk 170, why would Boston Whaler need to install the "maximum engine weight" plate? My biggest concern with the E-TEC 90 hp is that it will not propel the Montauk 170 to the same top speed as the Mercury 90 hp to around 44 mph. I think the much larger displacement and higher numerical gear ratio of the Mercury gives it an edge in torque that the smaller displacement E-TEC will not have. Mathematics say this is not so; real world experiences with E-TEC 90's on smaller, lighter classic Montauks prove me correct. The E-TEC 115 would be a better fit for the boat, but as stated, insurance issues could be a problem. After I dropped my boat off this morning, I briefly spoke to a dealer who can order the E-TEC for me. He stated he would take the Mercury on trade, but would have to see my engine before quoting a firm price. He ballparked a $6-7K difference, plus prices for rigging and gauges (another $1K or so). Would it be cheaper to trade the boat on something else? Probably. I am going to look at online dealer prices for the E-TEC and what I could sell my mercury for, as well as look more into the insurance regulations.
Dick E	posted 07-06-2009 03:17 PM ET (US) Ed Super Marine has $6800 for a new E-TEC that means giving nothing for your motor. Used motor price are down, but try to sell your motor outright with the warranty. Your going to take a bath selling that motor, it only a question of how wet you will get.
L H G	posted 07-06-2009 04:07 PM ET (US) See here for some realistic guidelines on pricing, better than Ed's. E-tecs should be the same as the Optimax pricing. http://jacosmarine.com/ The 90 4-strokes are now selling for $5995., so yours should be worth about $4500. Note the brand new Mercury offerings highlighted in green. A 220 HP 2.5 liter V-6 Optimax is looking attractive.