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queenfish posted 07-16-2009 09:57 PM ET (US)
The specifications for my 1985 Outrage 18 on the site say it weighs 1,250-lbs. Does that include the console, seat railings etc? I just weighed mine and it's coming in at 1,800-lbs. I'm sure it has some water in the hull, but over 500-lbs?
I'm hoping that the 1,250 listed is hull only. Thanks guys. Mark
This could help explain my poor gas mileage.
97dauntless17 posted 07-16-2009 10:36 PM ET (US)
The dry weight is without batteries, fuel, and motor.
Tom W Clark posted 07-16-2009 10:52 PM ET (US)
How did you go about weighing your boat? Most folks try to estimate weights (especially for trailers) instead of actually weighing the components. That methodology is prone to error.
For the record, the weight of the Outrage 18 includes all standard equipment but not optional equipment or equipment installed after it leaves the factory.
Rails, console, seat, steering lights and other hardware are all included in the 1,250-lbs weight.
Motor, engine controls, batteries, fuel, coolers, canvas, electronics, fishing gear, bottom paint are not included.
Tohsgib posted 07-17-2009 11:32 AM ET (US)
It has also been told many times here that the boat weighs more like 1600+. Whaler has some history of posting lighter weights back then.
Tom W Clark posted 07-17-2009 11:39 AM ET (US)
Everybody likes to say that, but the evidence is scant.
The original Outrage, the rib sided 21, was supposed to weigh 1600 pounds.
Last week I helped weigh a rib side 21 by first weighing the boat on its trailer with a truck towing it to the scale. The motor, console and seat had been removed.
We then brought the boat back to the shop, lifted it off the trailer and set it on blocks with a fork lift.
The truck and trailer was immediately driven back the scale for a re-weigh.
The hull weighed 1540 pounds without its console or seat but with all other original components plus several layers of old bottom paint.
I think that boat weighed pretty much exactly what Whaler said it was supposed to.
queenfish posted 07-17-2009 11:22 PM ET (US)
I weighed it by taking it to a "public scale" this one is at a moving a storage company.
I weighed the entire rig, boat, trailer and truck. Then I shot down to the lauching ramp, drop the boat in the water, docked it and ran back to re-weigh the truck and trailer.
I filled the boat as full as possible with gas before weighing, including jacking up the bow to get the air bubble out of the back of the tank.

The company let me weigh it for free by the way.
Tom W Clark posted 07-18-2009 01:19 AM ET (US)
OK, that is the right way to weigh a boat. What were the scale numbers?
What motor(s) do you have?
How many batteries, what type?
What optional equipment was in the boat when it was weighed?
Did you back out the 63 gallons of fuel which weigh about 400 pounds?
towboater posted 07-18-2009 01:37 AM ET (US)
My 18 ft Guardian weighed 1920 lbs on a certified scale last week. Incls Military console & seat that are far heavier than similar size console/seat on my former 17 ft Outrage.
Also has OEM towbit.
Still, I know there is water inside this beaten and put to bed wet Navy boat.
After flipping upside down, (prep for barrier coat and sprucing up the bandaids) no water has come out but the math indicates about 20 gals in there somewhere.
Im not worried about it.
mk

towboater posted 07-18-2009 01:38 AM ET (US)
Tom, fishing is great at the mouth.
Buoy 10 opens Aug 1.
mk
Buckda posted 07-20-2009 12:50 PM ET (US)
Well, my estimates may be wrong, but for my 18' Outrage, I come up with about 1400 lbs for my hull weight once I've eliminated and guess-timated on weights of non standard accessories, engines, batteries, trim tabs, radar arch and fuel, gear and coolers.
It is possible that I'm underestimating by 200 lbs though....
Weight of entire rig: 4300 lbs. Weight of trailer: 1030 lbs weighed at a CAT Scale at a truck stop.
tomol posted 07-20-2009 01:21 PM ET (US)
Honestly, after having gone through this whole exercise myself three years ago http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/004844.html and having run the heck out of the boat since, I have to wonder if it really matters. As long as the boat behaves correctly and doesn't seem to be adding weight, why not just enjoy it?

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Author	Topic: 18' Outrage Hull Weight
queenfish	posted 07-16-2009 09:57 PM ET (US) The specifications for my 1985 Outrage 18 on the site say it weighs 1,250-lbs. Does that include the console, seat railings etc? I just weighed mine and it's coming in at 1,800-lbs. I'm sure it has some water in the hull, but over 500-lbs? I'm hoping that the 1,250 listed is hull only. Thanks guys. Mark This could help explain my poor gas mileage.
97dauntless17	posted 07-16-2009 10:36 PM ET (US) The dry weight is without batteries, fuel, and motor.
Tom W Clark	posted 07-16-2009 10:52 PM ET (US) How did you go about weighing your boat? Most folks try to estimate weights (especially for trailers) instead of actually weighing the components. That methodology is prone to error. For the record, the weight of the Outrage 18 includes all standard equipment but not optional equipment or equipment installed after it leaves the factory. Rails, console, seat, steering lights and other hardware are all included in the 1,250-lbs weight. Motor, engine controls, batteries, fuel, coolers, canvas, electronics, fishing gear, bottom paint are not included.
Tohsgib	posted 07-17-2009 11:32 AM ET (US) It has also been told many times here that the boat weighs more like 1600+. Whaler has some history of posting lighter weights back then.
Tom W Clark	posted 07-17-2009 11:39 AM ET (US) Everybody likes to say that, but the evidence is scant. The original Outrage, the rib sided 21, was supposed to weigh 1600 pounds. Last week I helped weigh a rib side 21 by first weighing the boat on its trailer with a truck towing it to the scale. The motor, console and seat had been removed. We then brought the boat back to the shop, lifted it off the trailer and set it on blocks with a fork lift. The truck and trailer was immediately driven back the scale for a re-weigh. The hull weighed 1540 pounds without its console or seat but with all other original components plus several layers of old bottom paint. I think that boat weighed pretty much exactly what Whaler said it was supposed to.
queenfish	posted 07-17-2009 11:22 PM ET (US) I weighed it by taking it to a "public scale" this one is at a moving a storage company. I weighed the entire rig, boat, trailer and truck. Then I shot down to the lauching ramp, drop the boat in the water, docked it and ran back to re-weigh the truck and trailer. I filled the boat as full as possible with gas before weighing, including jacking up the bow to get the air bubble out of the back of the tank. The company let me weigh it for free by the way.
Tom W Clark	posted 07-18-2009 01:19 AM ET (US) OK, that is the right way to weigh a boat. What were the scale numbers? What motor(s) do you have? How many batteries, what type? What optional equipment was in the boat when it was weighed? Did you back out the 63 gallons of fuel which weigh about 400 pounds?
towboater	posted 07-18-2009 01:37 AM ET (US) My 18 ft Guardian weighed 1920 lbs on a certified scale last week. Incls Military console & seat that are far heavier than similar size console/seat on my former 17 ft Outrage. Also has OEM towbit. Still, I know there is water inside this beaten and put to bed wet Navy boat. After flipping upside down, (prep for barrier coat and sprucing up the bandaids) no water has come out but the math indicates about 20 gals in there somewhere. Im not worried about it. mk
towboater	posted 07-18-2009 01:38 AM ET (US) Tom, fishing is great at the mouth. Buoy 10 opens Aug 1. mk
Buckda	posted 07-20-2009 12:50 PM ET (US) Well, my estimates may be wrong, but for my 18' Outrage, I come up with about 1400 lbs for my hull weight once I've eliminated and guess-timated on weights of non standard accessories, engines, batteries, trim tabs, radar arch and fuel, gear and coolers. It is possible that I'm underestimating by 200 lbs though.... Weight of entire rig: 4300 lbs. Weight of trailer: 1030 lbs weighed at a CAT Scale at a truck stop.
tomol	posted 07-20-2009 01:21 PM ET (US) Honestly, after having gone through this whole exercise myself three years ago http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/004844.html and having run the heck out of the boat since, I have to wonder if it really matters. As long as the boat behaves correctly and doesn't seem to be adding weight, why not just enjoy it?