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takrafft posted 07-24-2009 09:30 AM ET (US)
Can someone please guide me.
I have been offered 1977 Outrage 19 with a 1987 Black Max 200Hp with a stainless steel prop. The hull is in what seem to be very good condition, complete with rails and RPS, but all the wood needs a lot of work, new doors, dash etc, there seem to be some problem also with the gastank since they are using loose tanks.
According to the owner the engine has less than 50hrs after a major overhaul. Can it be worth as much as 10K?
Thor
Tom W Clark posted 07-24-2009 09:34 AM ET (US)
Not bloody likely.
Tohsgib posted 07-24-2009 10:46 AM ET (US)
Half
dino54904 posted 07-24-2009 10:54 AM ET (US)
I bought an Outrage that sounds similar to the condition the boat you describe is in 2 years ago. I paid $4,000 and after I got into the project I felt as though i paid too much. That fuel tank can be an expensive issue.
Now that my project is complete and the boat is in as new condition I 'might' be able to get $10,000 for it to the right person.
Good luck with your decision.
L H G posted 07-24-2009 11:26 AM ET (US)
A decent 19 Outrage can't be worth much more than a grand or two. Those in-hull tanks destroy their value. That throwback old Merc can't be worth even 500 bucks. The fact that it is has been rebuilt means it has already blown up once, and will again. Offer him 1K and see if he will take it.
flippa posted 07-24-2009 11:44 AM ET (US)
Ten grand????? Deck tanks & all wood needs refinishing???
It sounds like a ratty 32 year old boat. If the woodwork is in poor condition, that speaks volumes about the overall maintenance of the boat.
Keep an eye out, I am sure that you will be able to find a much nicer boat with newer power for that price.
Hell, I'll sell you my 1978 Outrage 21 with a 2003 merc (with SS prop) for $15,000.
It's not worth anywhere near 10 grand.
L H G posted 07-24-2009 03:06 PM ET (US)
Flippa - Your price accuracy depends on whether that Merc you have is throwback low technology high emissions model.
If it is, forget it!
Ritzyrags posted 07-24-2009 06:36 PM ET (US)
Again;
It will depend on the location of the unit.
And should be divided in the three usual sections;
A- The Hull, Seems OK at first sight but will need a close and thorough scrutiny in order to truly assess.
B- The Power- A 1987 Outboard with a rebuilt can't be that expensive and feeling generous;
Let's say $1500.
Well the prop's a bonus and a non factor really as it could be worth as much as the motor itself.
C- The trailer- none.
So let's see here;
A 78 hull that seems fine.
But needs a new 40 gal tank as it obviously leaks.
New all around wood refit;
And this and that, that was overlooked at first.
You will need repower;
You will need to redo the teaks;
You will need to buy a trailer..
How much is she worth to you now?
In my part of the world and having discarded the outboard..
Probably..2 to 3Ks as a refit project.
CLK posted 07-24-2009 11:04 PM ET (US)
Run Forest,....Run!

Cheers!
~CLK
Murphy posted 07-25-2009 12:47 AM ET (US)
Paid $4400 for my 1973 19' and like Dino said after I got into the restoration I felt like I paid too much. I have put at least as much into it as I bought it for... new tank, totally rebuild the rotted tank deck...repower(for cheap) new seats, gel work and paint and buff...
Whoever wants 10k must be smokin crack.
flippa posted 07-26-2009 10:33 PM ET (US)
Larry
Just joking on selling the boat.
I have become too attached to my waterlogged scow.
But if someone was to give me $15K, she's gone.
takrafft posted 07-27-2009 02:43 AM ET (US)
Thanks for all the replies, one thing I should have mentioned is that I live in Norway and thats where the boat is.............. Looking at prices on BW's here I can see that they are about twice the US price. This mean that if I can get the price down 2k I still pay a lot!! The problem is that these models are rare over here and almost never come up for sale. The boat is sold by the original owner by the way.
Thor
Ritzyrags posted 07-27-2009 02:52 AM ET (US)
Then;
There is no such thing as a price that is to high;
To come in between you and your dream...Whaler.
Drive a hard bargain and buy her if you must.
Good Hunting.
takrafft posted 07-27-2009 03:29 AM ET (US)
Thank's Ritzyrags, I have been looking at your project, looking good.
Tohsgib posted 07-27-2009 11:50 AM ET (US)
That is a whole nuther ballgame partner. Since I said half and you say they fetch double...well there ya go!
flippa posted 07-27-2009 08:49 PM ET (US)
Maybe my boat is really worth 15K.....in Norway.
If the boat is complete, and the hull is in good condition, sounds like you have a decent starting point.
Check out the articles on here about water intrusion in the hulls. It is a real problem when not addressed as the foam does take on water & adds serious weight to the hull.
I know that I have water in my hull. It lived it's life in the water in Maine on a mooring. It lives in the water here in Boston on a mooring. It doesn't really bother me though because it still floats & the 150 Merc pushes it along just fine. Some day I may try and address it as others here have.
I don't think that I would really be interested in a show boat. My 14 year old nephew just got his dive certification & dropped his weight belt & a tank in the boat this weekend. Both left marks, but it's OK because he didn't mean to do it and s--t happens. If it was a real nice boat, I would have been crying over it. I was a little bummed out, but it's just another battle scar on an old boat that has been well used.
My boat will never be anywhere as nice as L H G's ribside (that's a sweet ride) or his 19 Outrage; probably the cleanest one in existance today. Seriously, both boats should be in a showroom or museum.
The belly tanks can be expensive to have fabricated. I was quoted over $500 for mine a few years ago. I decided against it; I don't mind having the external tanks as they fit within my leaning post & under the rear deck & are out of the way. I spent the money on my electronics and canvas set for the boat instead. I removed the tank cover & made deck hatches out of 5/4 mahogany for exposed sections in front of & behind the leaning post. I use the tank cavity for wet storage & the deck tanks fit within them.
There are tanks out there that are made to fit under the factory RPS. That may be a good question for the repairs/mods section; someone is bound to give a source for this type of tank.
As for the woodwork, there are a ton of articles on here outlining how to refinish it.
Does the boat have a canvas set? That is a real nice feature to have, especially in bad weather or heavy seas. These hulls can be a real wet ride. I consider the canvas set a necessity as the weather gets ugly here when the wind picks up. Plus it is nice to keep yourself & passangers out of the sun.
Good luck
flippa posted 07-27-2009 09:03 PM ET (US)
Link to Larry's boat
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v42...rage%2019/
takrafft posted 07-28-2009 02:31 AM ET (US)
Flippa thank you for good advices. I am not planning om restoring to a showroom boat, I will use it from early spring to late autumn, (from when the sea ice leave until it freezes again....) I will use it for fishing and day trips with the family.
Thank's for the advice regarding the tank. Two question though; if I decide to remove the tank for inspection/replacement, how do I install it again? I understand it is originally installed in foam, do I foam around the new one also? Isn't it smart not to foam it again, then the tank can be removed more easily next time??
If the hull is soaked, how is that fixed??
Flippa, are there photos of your boat here?
Thor

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Author	Topic: Price, 1977 Outrage 19
takrafft	posted 07-24-2009 09:30 AM ET (US) Can someone please guide me. I have been offered 1977 Outrage 19 with a 1987 Black Max 200Hp with a stainless steel prop. The hull is in what seem to be very good condition, complete with rails and RPS, but all the wood needs a lot of work, new doors, dash etc, there seem to be some problem also with the gastank since they are using loose tanks. According to the owner the engine has less than 50hrs after a major overhaul. Can it be worth as much as 10K? Thor
Tom W Clark	posted 07-24-2009 09:34 AM ET (US) Not bloody likely.
Tohsgib	posted 07-24-2009 10:46 AM ET (US) Half
dino54904	posted 07-24-2009 10:54 AM ET (US) I bought an Outrage that sounds similar to the condition the boat you describe is in 2 years ago. I paid $4,000 and after I got into the project I felt as though i paid too much. That fuel tank can be an expensive issue. Now that my project is complete and the boat is in as new condition I 'might' be able to get $10,000 for it to the right person. Good luck with your decision.
L H G	posted 07-24-2009 11:26 AM ET (US) A decent 19 Outrage can't be worth much more than a grand or two. Those in-hull tanks destroy their value. That throwback old Merc can't be worth even 500 bucks. The fact that it is has been rebuilt means it has already blown up once, and will again. Offer him 1K and see if he will take it.
flippa	posted 07-24-2009 11:44 AM ET (US) Ten grand????? Deck tanks & all wood needs refinishing??? It sounds like a ratty 32 year old boat. If the woodwork is in poor condition, that speaks volumes about the overall maintenance of the boat. Keep an eye out, I am sure that you will be able to find a much nicer boat with newer power for that price. Hell, I'll sell you my 1978 Outrage 21 with a 2003 merc (with SS prop) for $15,000. It's not worth anywhere near 10 grand.
L H G	posted 07-24-2009 03:06 PM ET (US) Flippa - Your price accuracy depends on whether that Merc you have is throwback low technology high emissions model. If it is, forget it!
Ritzyrags	posted 07-24-2009 06:36 PM ET (US) Again; It will depend on the location of the unit. And should be divided in the three usual sections; A- The Hull, Seems OK at first sight but will need a close and thorough scrutiny in order to truly assess. B- The Power- A 1987 Outboard with a rebuilt can't be that expensive and feeling generous; Let's say $1500. Well the prop's a bonus and a non factor really as it could be worth as much as the motor itself. C- The trailer- none. So let's see here; A 78 hull that seems fine. But needs a new 40 gal tank as it obviously leaks. New all around wood refit; And this and that, that was overlooked at first. You will need repower; You will need to redo the teaks; You will need to buy a trailer.. How much is she worth to you now? In my part of the world and having discarded the outboard.. Probably..2 to 3Ks as a refit project.
CLK	posted 07-24-2009 11:04 PM ET (US) Run Forest,....Run! Cheers! ~CLK
Murphy	posted 07-25-2009 12:47 AM ET (US) Paid $4400 for my 1973 19' and like Dino said after I got into the restoration I felt like I paid too much. I have put at least as much into it as I bought it for... new tank, totally rebuild the rotted tank deck...repower(for cheap) new seats, gel work and paint and buff... Whoever wants 10k must be smokin crack.
flippa	posted 07-26-2009 10:33 PM ET (US) Larry Just joking on selling the boat. I have become too attached to my waterlogged scow. But if someone was to give me $15K, she's gone.
takrafft	posted 07-27-2009 02:43 AM ET (US) Thanks for all the replies, one thing I should have mentioned is that I live in Norway and thats where the boat is.............. Looking at prices on BW's here I can see that they are about twice the US price. This mean that if I can get the price down 2k I still pay a lot!! The problem is that these models are rare over here and almost never come up for sale. The boat is sold by the original owner by the way. Thor
Ritzyrags	posted 07-27-2009 02:52 AM ET (US) Then; There is no such thing as a price that is to high; To come in between you and your dream...Whaler. Drive a hard bargain and buy her if you must. Good Hunting.
takrafft	posted 07-27-2009 03:29 AM ET (US) Thank's Ritzyrags, I have been looking at your project, looking good.
Tohsgib	posted 07-27-2009 11:50 AM ET (US) That is a whole nuther ballgame partner. Since I said half and you say they fetch double...well there ya go!
flippa	posted 07-27-2009 08:49 PM ET (US) Maybe my boat is really worth 15K.....in Norway. If the boat is complete, and the hull is in good condition, sounds like you have a decent starting point. Check out the articles on here about water intrusion in the hulls. It is a real problem when not addressed as the foam does take on water & adds serious weight to the hull. I know that I have water in my hull. It lived it's life in the water in Maine on a mooring. It lives in the water here in Boston on a mooring. It doesn't really bother me though because it still floats & the 150 Merc pushes it along just fine. Some day I may try and address it as others here have. I don't think that I would really be interested in a show boat. My 14 year old nephew just got his dive certification & dropped his weight belt & a tank in the boat this weekend. Both left marks, but it's OK because he didn't mean to do it and s--t happens. If it was a real nice boat, I would have been crying over it. I was a little bummed out, but it's just another battle scar on an old boat that has been well used. My boat will never be anywhere as nice as L H G's ribside (that's a sweet ride) or his 19 Outrage; probably the cleanest one in existance today. Seriously, both boats should be in a showroom or museum. The belly tanks can be expensive to have fabricated. I was quoted over $500 for mine a few years ago. I decided against it; I don't mind having the external tanks as they fit within my leaning post & under the rear deck & are out of the way. I spent the money on my electronics and canvas set for the boat instead. I removed the tank cover & made deck hatches out of 5/4 mahogany for exposed sections in front of & behind the leaning post. I use the tank cavity for wet storage & the deck tanks fit within them. There are tanks out there that are made to fit under the factory RPS. That may be a good question for the repairs/mods section; someone is bound to give a source for this type of tank. As for the woodwork, there are a ton of articles on here outlining how to refinish it. Does the boat have a canvas set? That is a real nice feature to have, especially in bad weather or heavy seas. These hulls can be a real wet ride. I consider the canvas set a necessity as the weather gets ugly here when the wind picks up. Plus it is nice to keep yourself & passangers out of the sun. Good luck
flippa	posted 07-27-2009 09:03 PM ET (US) Link to Larry's boat http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v42...rage%2019/
takrafft	posted 07-28-2009 02:31 AM ET (US) Flippa thank you for good advices. I am not planning om restoring to a showroom boat, I will use it from early spring to late autumn, (from when the sea ice leave until it freezes again....) I will use it for fishing and day trips with the family. Thank's for the advice regarding the tank. Two question though; if I decide to remove the tank for inspection/replacement, how do I install it again? I understand it is originally installed in foam, do I foam around the new one also? Isn't it smart not to foam it again, then the tank can be removed more easily next time?? If the hull is soaked, how is that fixed?? Flippa, are there photos of your boat here? Thor