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nauticallumber posted 10-06-2009 11:12 AM ET (US)   Profile for nauticallumber   Send Email to nauticallumber  
Should I be Flattered?
I guess I'll take it as a complient that Speciality marine copied my design for their "NEW" retro fit back rest.

All's fair in love & business! lol ;o)

Mike

Blackduck posted 10-06-2009 12:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Blackduck  Send Email to Blackduck     
Sure, unless they undercut your price. I think they are nuts on some of their pricing. For example, they will sell you 4 under gunnel rod holders for $79, including varnished or something, less than $20 a piece, whose making them, they must be working for a couple of dollars an hour, counting materials?
nauticallumber posted 10-06-2009 01:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for nauticallumber  Send Email to nauticallumber     
Blackduck,
they undercut me by like $20.
Many of whalers have told me Specialty Marine has their pieces made in China...but i dont know that for a fact.

Every item we make is hand made & finished here in my shop. We pick the grain from our stock that consists of over 3000 bf of the best mahogany & FEQ Teak anyone can buy......something the competition is unable to do.

Mike

Blackduck posted 10-06-2009 01:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Blackduck  Send Email to Blackduck     
Mike, I should add that I don't really like the idea of them coping your original design, never mind cutting your price by $20, but I do realize that this is what a lot of businesses are all about.
Narragansett Outrage posted 10-06-2009 01:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Narragansett Outrage  Send Email to Narragansett Outrage     
The "replacement" navigation lights that I bought from them for my 22' Outrage are already rusting after two months. Glad I didn't sell the old one (I'll just have to try to repair the plastic housing.
nauticallumber posted 10-06-2009 02:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for nauticallumber  Send Email to nauticallumber     
blackduck,


...like i said, all is fair in love & business.
Not too much I can do about anyway.

Narragansett,
Do they have a retrun policy?

Blackduck posted 10-06-2009 02:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Blackduck  Send Email to Blackduck     
I meant to say copying, not coping, though I guess that's what Mike is going to have to do here.
nauticallumber posted 10-06-2009 02:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for nauticallumber  Send Email to nauticallumber     
lol
Narragansett Outrage posted 10-06-2009 04:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Narragansett Outrage  Send Email to Narragansett Outrage     
Regarding a return policy, I doubt it, not once the things are installed.
contender posted 10-06-2009 04:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for contender  Send Email to contender     
Nauticallumber, (Mike) never heard back from you about a console....
Jeff posted 10-06-2009 04:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff  Send Email to Jeff     
The cost of product development is always born on the shoulders of the person/company willing to make the investment in man hours, prototyping and other costs.  That is why we have intellectual property laws here in the US.  While I am not a lawyer and I do not know if adding a third support gets you far enough way from infringement I none the less find it slimy. 

I am always going to support a business where the products are coming right from the owners hands, built in their shop, right here in the US.  You can not have any better quality control than that.  The small business you can walk through the front door, talk to the owner, have them show you their shop (and pride for it) where they themselves build their goods is the type of business that built this country and what is missing from today's world. While not all of your customers are able to experience your business as I get to, your quality speaks for itself in person and says everything it needs to about your business.

Keep innovating Mike. Yes it will always keep you ahead of the pack.  While coping is called the most sincere from of flattery, you can never win you the race if you are alwThe cost of product development is always born on the shoulders of the person/company willing to make the investment in man hours, prototyping and other costs.  That is why we have intellectual property laws here in the US.  While I am not a lawyer and I do not know if adding a third support gets you far enough way from infringement I none the less find it slimy. 

I am always going to support a business where the products are coming right from the owners hands, built in their shop, right here in the US.  You can not have any better quality control than that.  The small business you can walk through the front door, talk to the owner, have them show you their shop (and pride for it) where they themselves build their goods is the type of business that built this country and what is missing from today's world. 

Keep innovating as it will always keep you ahead of the pack.  While coping is called the most sincere from of flattery, you can never win you the race if you are always second.

Jeff posted 10-06-2009 04:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff  Send Email to Jeff     
iPhone cut & paste with fat fingers just does not work well.
Buckda posted 10-06-2009 04:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
"You can never win the race if you are always second"

Depends on who is judging and who is setting the rules of the race.

Getting somewhere first doesn't always mean you win in business.

That said - I agree with your sentiment about supporting local businessmen and businesswomen - and about that something that is missing when you deal with a faceless corporation - and why they employ agents. That something is called "community". Members of a community support one another - for various reasons, but the underlying motivation is to make the world in which you live and work a better place - for everyone in that community.

Good luck Mike - you do great work. I hope I can come up with a project or two for you in the next year or so...

Dave

elaelap posted 10-06-2009 05:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
OH YEAH!! Jeff said, "The small business you can walk through the front door, talk to the owner, have them show you their shop (and pride for it) where they themselves build their goods is the type of business that built this country and what is missing from today's world."

Whence cometh Boston Whaler motorboats. How far we've come since then...thanks a lot, Brunswick (and all the other multi-national corporations which--temporarily I hope--rule the globe).

Tony

Ritzyrags posted 10-06-2009 07:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Mike,

An official letter to the Speciality marine CO and also posted to this site may be in order.
Kind of the purpose of your opening statement;
I will have guessed.
And this in order to inform of this breach in etiquette.
To send them the same letter will be seen as the thing to do.
You would think that such obvious commercial photo copying would have been on the No No list.
Just possibly the work of a young temp executive.
Since I do have you online Mike;
Where will be your reference to giving Teak or Mahogany a permanent glossy finish?
I hope that this photo borrowing of yours will be a temporary situation.


contender posted 10-06-2009 08:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for contender  Send Email to contender     
Good call Jeff...
Newtauk1 posted 10-06-2009 08:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1    
Is there a patent on the design?
Newtauk1 posted 10-06-2009 08:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1    
Why would posting a letter to this site matter? Competition is a good thing; Otherwise we would all be driving a Model T. Although it looks like Ford may be the last US car marker left.

I do not see anything that creative from either vendor mentioned here. Both seem to supply good basic items.

Newtauk1 posted 10-06-2009 08:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1    
Consider Martin Marine Design as a source for quality SS parts.

Martin Marine Design& Fabrication
932 Old Charleston Hwy
Hardeeville, SC 29927
843.784.6110

superdave_gv posted 10-06-2009 09:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for superdave_gv  Send Email to superdave_gv     

The bench seat back is a good item. The design of the wooden bracket is basically the same as what BW put on the Eastport/Sakonnet/etc. Not a real innovation but a smart idea for the 13' and 15'. Like the Sakonnet console trimmed down for the 13' and 15'. That is really cool!! But not like having a patent for a miracle drug.

Let's just be glad there's enough old farts and young farts that care enough to keep these Classics alive by selling these parts to farts that buy them.

nauticallumber posted 10-06-2009 10:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for nauticallumber  Send Email to nauticallumber     
ritzyrags,
"Where will be your reference to giving Teak or Mahogany a permanent glossy finish?" 2 coats of epoxy. 8 coats of varnish.
"I hope that this photo borrowing of yours will be a temporary situation."
..my photo borrowing???

Mike

celtjeff posted 10-06-2009 10:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for celtjeff  Send Email to celtjeff     
Mike,
As a happy customer of Nautical Lumber , I would like
to see if anyone ever got a phone call from Specility
at 11:00 am on a Sunday morning, as I did from Mike, to make sure his order was exactly what he wanted. There will always be cheaper products. But if the service is not there to back it up.
It's not a real deal.

Thanks Again, Mike

Jeff

Newtauk1 posted 10-06-2009 10:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1    
Yes. It is good to have sources for our old boats. The more the better.
Ritzyrags posted 10-06-2009 11:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
posted 10-06-2009 11:12 AM ET (US) Profile for nauticallumber Send Email to nauticallumber Should I be Flattered?
I guess I'll take it as a complient that Speciality marine copied my design for their "NEW" retro fit back rest.

All's fair in love & business! lol ;o)

Mike;
I was under the impression that Specialty marine had borrowed your advertising photo and your design in the stern bench seat ad.
Sounds like the design format was all that they borrowed.
In any event;
Thanks for giving me your recipe for "glossing" my teaks.

I think that the guys will know as to where to get the GENUINE item.

nauticallumber posted 10-07-2009 06:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for nauticallumber  Send Email to nauticallumber     
Here is a link to my new backrest with storage compartment. Slips right up against the rear seat in between the side clamps. The storage area is approx. 18" tall x 8 1/2" wide by 52" The storage compartment is made of kingstarboard XL The color is Sea Foam to match the interior of the boat......If any one wants directions on how to copy my design...please email me. rofl!

10% off to Continuous Wave members through the month of October.....except for those in California ;o)......come on, thats FUNNY!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320433184062&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

Regards,
Mike

Sal A posted 10-07-2009 07:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
I may hit you up for a Montauk stern platform in a few weeks...
superdave_gv posted 10-07-2009 08:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for superdave_gv  Send Email to superdave_gv     

One more note.... I didn't even know Specialty Marine sold Whaler wood components until this thread. And they are also mentioned in the linked ebay ad so anyone who runs across it on eBay will know it too. Why give a competitor so much publicity?
Ritzyrags posted 10-07-2009 09:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Mike;
I have sent you some photos of my existing stern bench.
I had a look of your link for the storage/stern section bench.
Looks good and functional.
Let's see what you can come up with for my needs.
And this one will not be made in China.
nauticallumber posted 10-07-2009 09:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for nauticallumber  Send Email to nauticallumber     
superdave,
Why give a competitor so much publicity? Im not affraid of my competitor....Just letting him know he over stepped his boundries....publicly
They can reproduce all the original Boston whaler products they want. I dont care. But dont cross the line into producing my ideas.

Mike

tedstrat posted 10-16-2009 11:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for tedstrat  Send Email to tedstrat     
Mike...great design. Two Qs;
Same size for 13 vs 15? I have 13.
What is the approx weight?
andygere posted 10-16-2009 11:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
The storage seat backs are a very nice design, and look like they are beautifully made. It would have been a neat solution back when I had my old Sport 13.
nauticallumber posted 10-17-2009 09:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for nauticallumber  Send Email to nauticallumber     
Ted,
The weight of the backrest is about 12 lbs to 15 lbs.

Thanks Andy, I've already sold a couple of them!

Mike

Jeff posted 10-17-2009 12:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff  Send Email to Jeff     
Ted,

The interiors sizes for the 15 and 13 are the same and can be interchanged so this seat back can be used in either hull.

Nantucket Sleighride posted 10-19-2009 04:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for Nantucket Sleighride  Send Email to Nantucket Sleighride     
With regards to "Specialty Marine" there are apparently several Southern California business's by that same name.

The first "Specialty Marine" is a Honda dealership in Oxnard California owned and operated by a very good friend of mine Eric Peterson. He has 3 full time mechanics on duty and they do excellent work at a reasonable price.
As a "West Marine" employee I send many of my customers to Eric for their boat and motor repair needs. Their business phone number is (805) 984-6538.

There is a 2nd "Specialty Marine", that I have had the misfortune of dealing with. They appear to do a great deal of business on ebay.
I made the mistake of purchasing a Boston Whaler bow light from them on ebay. The "Buy-It-Now" price of $169 seemed to be very reasonable.
The ad claimed that the Classic Boston Whaler bow light fixture was
(and I quote)
"Made from high quality mirror polished 316 Stainless steel"
As General H Norman Schwarzkopf would say
"That claim is nothing but Bovine scatology"!
Rust began appearing on several areas of the bow light within 24 hours of my first outing with the boat. When you consider that I properly wash down my boat after each trip this rust was inexcusable!
I contacted "Specialty Marine and they assured me that they would take up this matter with their vendor and gladly replace the light once the replacements came available. That correspondence was over a month ago. They continue to sell these inferior bow lights on ebay and have made no further effort to replace my rusting light fixture.
I give them 2 thumbs down!

Most sincerely

Bill

R T M posted 10-19-2009 09:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for R T M    
Copying someones design is indeed a form of flattery, if the design is original, and not just a reproduction of someone else's design such as an original Whaler part. If the design is original, then there are countless hours of hours in the design work, that the copier saves, and that doesn`t seem fair, but I guess that`s what free enterprise is all about. When I designed and built the "Nauset" influenced interior for my 13 footer about 3 years ago, I designed it from my imagination, never drew any plans, just trial and error and some 3/4" MDF board fastened together with 4d finish nails. When it looked right to me, I took it apart and reproduced it in Sapele mahogany.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/floridaboy2053/ Whaler%20with%20Mercury/WHALER8.jpg
I would not be offended if someone copied it, but then I am not in the business of building interiors for Whalers.
Since then, I have gotten many requests for plans, even from Mike, which there are none, and from others who wanted me to build them one. About 4 years ago, I built about 6 or 8 interiors for the 13 footer and sold them to members, who were very happy, but I never made much, and it was only a hobby anyway.
If you are selling Whaler parts that vary from the original, I don`t think its possible to stop anyone from stealing your idea and building building something that is similar, even if you copyrighted the design.

rich/Binkie

Newtauk1 posted 10-19-2009 10:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1    
Here is a link to the Specialty Marine. The original poster did not spell the name correctly. They seem to have a wide variety of Boston Whaler parts.

www.specialtymarine.com

R T M posted 10-19-2009 02:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for R T M    
Specialty Marine`s interior seem reasonable. I have seen them on E-Bay where he states he has 12 available. Building in quantity is the key to saving costs. It takes little time to cut out each part, setting the saw for each part is what takes the time. How many coats of varnish does he use. That is a big thing. If you have to add coats when you receive it, it will drive up the total price you paid. Sapele mahogany round here is about $5 a board foot. 12X12X1". Takes about 25-27 bd. ft. to build a standard int. for a 13 footer. Pettit`s Captain`s varnish is $75-80 per gallon, Takes about 1/4-1/3 gallon. Plus screws etc.
Doubt very much those interiors are made in China. I would think he would have to order a huge quantity.

rich/Binkie

Newtauk1 posted 10-20-2009 01:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1    
The wood interiors are made in the USA.
nauticallumber posted 10-20-2009 10:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for nauticallumber  Send Email to nauticallumber     
Newtauk1,
Do you know this for a fact?( that their made in the USA?)
Specality Marine has never stated in any of their product avertising that their made in the USA.
They have never denied the fact they are made outside of the USA.
...you seem to be a buddy of his. Shoot him a call & ask him to join us on here and tell us his products are made here in the USA.

Mike

Newtauk1 posted 10-20-2009 07:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1    
Mike,
Perhaps you should contact them yourself. You seem to have a problem with them. Good luck with that.
John
nauticallumber posted 10-20-2009 09:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for nauticallumber  Send Email to nauticallumber     
.....I did contact them John. Problem solved. Everyone is happy.

Mike

Newtauk1 posted 10-21-2009 02:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1    
That is good that you called. I think clearing the air is important if you have a concern with certain business practices. Often competitors end up complementing one another in terms of dividing market share rather than racing to the bottom on price points. Focusing on value added products and premium service dictates higher margins.On a side note the interiors are made in California, USA.
jmorgan40 posted 10-22-2009 10:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for jmorgan40  Send Email to jmorgan40     
All I know is Mike at Nautical Lumber does super work. He recently did four new wooden rod holders for my 20 Outrage. They turned out GREAT and the price was very fair considering the workmanship and finish. Keep up the good work Mike.
Joe

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