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Bertramp posted 02-01-2010 02:30 PM ET (US)
I have a 1996 - 21 Impact with the foam collar. As there were relatively very few of these made, does anyone know which standard hull model they added the foam collar onto .... or was this a new design hull that they just made very few of ?
thanks
Jeff posted 02-01-2010 03:41 PM ET (US)
It was an Outrage / Guardian that was padded.
Bertramp posted 02-01-2010 04:04 PM ET (US)
That's what puzzles me, it does not appear to be a "smirked" hull. What sized Guardian do you think made the 21 Impact ?
Tom W Clark posted 02-01-2010 04:54 PM ET (US)
No, it is not a padded Guardian, the hold mold, inside and out, are entirely unique.
It is possible that the shape from the bottom was derived for the 21' Outrage/Justice. It is certainly an AccuTrack design from the Van Lancker era.
Jeff posted 02-01-2010 08:08 PM ET (US)
Sorry, a post classic 21 Outrage should have been a Justice not a Guardian, No? None the less after looking at the CPD catalog the 21 Impact is an odd duck. When in the Keys 3 years ago n I saw a commercial products 21 with a padded collar but, that collar did not wrap around the stern. Must have been some kind of a modified hull fendering system offered through CPD.
Bertramp posted 02-02-2010 02:27 PM ET (US)
VanLancker era ?
Please educate me ...
Tom W Clark posted 02-02-2010 08:01 PM ET (US)
When Boston Whaler was sold to Reebok in 1989, their venerable and talented chief designer, Bob Dougherty, was shown the door and a new chief designer was brought in.
That designer was Peter Van Lancker. He introduced Whaler's first post-classic Whaler hull designs but left not long after Whaler was again sold, this time to Meridian Yachts.
Read more in this excellent article from the Reference Section by Jim Hebert:
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/history/whaler.html
Yiddil posted 02-02-2010 08:09 PM ET (US)
Tom,
are you saying that a 27 Aft Cabin boat was made during the Reebok era with designer Peter Van Lancker?

I always thought those boats were some of the nicest ever made (27 aft)and made during other management era's.
Interesting.
Tom W Clark posted 02-02-2010 08:32 PM ET (US)
Henry -- I have no idea what "27 Aft Cabin" boat you are referring too.
jamesmylesmcp posted 02-02-2010 08:42 PM ET (US)
Tom, Henry refers to the 27 Walkaround with 'aft cabin'.

Tom W Clark posted 02-02-2010 08:53 PM ET (US)
The Whaler 27 Walkaround is not an aft cabin. It has an athwartships berth under the helm.
The Whaler 27 Walkaround is a hybrid. It is the same Dougherty designed 27 foot hull as the other classic 27 foot Whaler models but the superstructure was designed by the Van Lancker team.
The "Whalerdrive" on that model (and the other two Walkaround models) is not a Whalerdrive at all, but an outboard bracket made by Saltshaker Marine.
Yiddil posted 02-02-2010 10:00 PM ET (US)
Thanks James...I needed that to clarify...Yes, thats the one Black Dog(Justin) has that I like so much with th twin ETEC 250's. Okay, its a Hybrid with the "Dougherty designed 27 foot hull as the other classic 27 foot Whaler models but the superstructure was designed by the Van Lancker team."
"The "Whalerdrive" on that model (and the other two Walkaround models) is not a Whalerdrive at all, but an outboard bracket made by Saltshaker Marine."
Tom, thank you as always for your knowledge on these and other topics...that is so cool to know...have to remember to let Justin know...he may know already...but the spot about the Saltshaker Marine outboard braket is also a new item to have learned about.
I absolutly love that darn boat!, It is my favorite out of so many.
Yiddil posted 02-02-2010 10:04 PM ET (US)
Tom I love the use of the word athwartships also:)) Great word!
fla656 posted 02-03-2010 10:46 AM ET (US)
An Impact is not a Outrage / Guardian that was padded. It was a CPD creation on to it's self.
Bertramp posted 02-03-2010 01:29 PM ET (US)
Would love to put a picture of mine on the site .... are pix still being added ?

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Author	Topic: 21 Impact - 1996
Bertramp	posted 02-01-2010 02:30 PM ET (US) I have a 1996 - 21 Impact with the foam collar. As there were relatively very few of these made, does anyone know which standard hull model they added the foam collar onto .... or was this a new design hull that they just made very few of ? thanks
Jeff	posted 02-01-2010 03:41 PM ET (US) It was an Outrage / Guardian that was padded.
Bertramp	posted 02-01-2010 04:04 PM ET (US) That's what puzzles me, it does not appear to be a "smirked" hull. What sized Guardian do you think made the 21 Impact ?
Tom W Clark	posted 02-01-2010 04:54 PM ET (US) No, it is not a padded Guardian, the hold mold, inside and out, are entirely unique. It is possible that the shape from the bottom was derived for the 21' Outrage/Justice. It is certainly an AccuTrack design from the Van Lancker era.
Jeff	posted 02-01-2010 08:08 PM ET (US) Sorry, a post classic 21 Outrage should have been a Justice not a Guardian, No? None the less after looking at the CPD catalog the 21 Impact is an odd duck. When in the Keys 3 years ago n I saw a commercial products 21 with a padded collar but, that collar did not wrap around the stern. Must have been some kind of a modified hull fendering system offered through CPD.
Bertramp	posted 02-02-2010 02:27 PM ET (US) VanLancker era ? Please educate me ...
Tom W Clark	posted 02-02-2010 08:01 PM ET (US) When Boston Whaler was sold to Reebok in 1989, their venerable and talented chief designer, Bob Dougherty, was shown the door and a new chief designer was brought in. That designer was Peter Van Lancker. He introduced Whaler's first post-classic Whaler hull designs but left not long after Whaler was again sold, this time to Meridian Yachts. Read more in this excellent article from the Reference Section by Jim Hebert: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/history/whaler.html
Yiddil	posted 02-02-2010 08:09 PM ET (US) Tom, are you saying that a 27 Aft Cabin boat was made during the Reebok era with designer Peter Van Lancker? I always thought those boats were some of the nicest ever made (27 aft)and made during other management era's. Interesting.
Tom W Clark	posted 02-02-2010 08:32 PM ET (US) Henry -- I have no idea what "27 Aft Cabin" boat you are referring too.
jamesmylesmcp	posted 02-02-2010 08:42 PM ET (US) Tom, Henry refers to the 27 Walkaround with 'aft cabin'.
Tom W Clark	posted 02-02-2010 08:53 PM ET (US) The Whaler 27 Walkaround is not an aft cabin. It has an athwartships berth under the helm. The Whaler 27 Walkaround is a hybrid. It is the same Dougherty designed 27 foot hull as the other classic 27 foot Whaler models but the superstructure was designed by the Van Lancker team. The "Whalerdrive" on that model (and the other two Walkaround models) is not a Whalerdrive at all, but an outboard bracket made by Saltshaker Marine.
Yiddil	posted 02-02-2010 10:00 PM ET (US) Thanks James...I needed that to clarify...Yes, thats the one Black Dog(Justin) has that I like so much with th twin ETEC 250's. Okay, its a Hybrid with the "Dougherty designed 27 foot hull as the other classic 27 foot Whaler models but the superstructure was designed by the Van Lancker team." "The "Whalerdrive" on that model (and the other two Walkaround models) is not a Whalerdrive at all, but an outboard bracket made by Saltshaker Marine." Tom, thank you as always for your knowledge on these and other topics...that is so cool to know...have to remember to let Justin know...he may know already...but the spot about the Saltshaker Marine outboard braket is also a new item to have learned about. I absolutly love that darn boat!, It is my favorite out of so many.
Yiddil	posted 02-02-2010 10:04 PM ET (US) Tom I love the use of the word athwartships also:)) Great word!
fla656	posted 02-03-2010 10:46 AM ET (US) An Impact is not a Outrage / Guardian that was padded. It was a CPD creation on to it's self.
Bertramp	posted 02-03-2010 01:29 PM ET (US) Would love to put a picture of mine on the site .... are pix still being added ?