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| Author | Topic: Kauai Whaler conversions--photos |
| elaelap |
posted 03-09-2010 10:56 PM ET (US)  
Begone dull care; begone harsh winter; begone contentious debates. Using as an excuse a visit to our family over here, my good wife and I are finishing up an all-too-brief trip to Kauai. I was fortunate enough to hook up yesterday with a relatively new CW member, Kauai local, long time commercial fisherman and boat builder Bert/power2boat, and he showed me half-a-dozen or so Whalers converted Island-style. Here's Bert standing in front of his sweet Outrage 22 conversion and several other boats in his fleet: http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/elaelap/KauaiBWs2049.jpg And here are some more shots of Bert's OR 22, which he bought as an almost-abandoned hull and fixed up for offshore tuna, ono (wahoo), and mahi-mahi (dorado or dolphin, depending where you're from) fishing. Note the clean, minimalist controls in the functional cuddy and the separate tanks feeding the twin Suzuki DF70s. Some of you (especially folks like skiff and estero from central California) will recognize the similarities between these Island BW conversions and boats such as Radons, Anderson/Greenoughs, Wilsons, etc. Here are more Kauai Whalers: A banana hull Outrage 21: An Outrage (or Revenge) 20 (I think): A pre-smirk 16: Another smirkless 16: You tell me, Bert. I forget, but she's sure a beauty: A rare (over here) center console model. Check out the incredible custom rod/outrigger holders and custom tank forward of the console. Also note the almost universal use of twins of whatever size over here on most serious fishing boats: Last but not least, here's one just waiting to be brought back to life. Anyone out there want a project in paradise? Blowing like hell for the past eight days, so no chance of getting out on the water (in a small boat, that is...usual fine body surfing and snorkling). Maybe next time, I hope, and many mahalos to Bert for showing me around Kauai's Whaler world. Tony
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| shipskip |
posted 03-09-2010 11:41 PM ET (US)
Excellent post, Tony. Many thanks. Been there but have not done that Whaler thing. Craig |
| jimh |
posted 03-10-2010 12:11 AM ET (US)
These Pacific boaters seem to favor twin engine installations. |
| WT |
posted 03-10-2010 12:45 AM ET (US)
Those ain't no sissy Whalers. Nice pictures Tony. Warren |
| alfred |
posted 03-10-2010 04:09 AM ET (US)
I lived in Hawaii for many years and near all the fishing boats I saw were twins. Long way to drift before you hit land if the motor dies! |
| alfred |
posted 03-10-2010 04:09 AM ET (US)
Thanks for sharing Tony. |
| mgeiger |
posted 03-10-2010 12:09 PM ET (US)
Cool shots - Sure looks like a 17' hull with those twin 40s. Seems the notch was widened to accomodate. |
| JMARTIN |
posted 03-10-2010 12:47 PM ET (US)
They all seem to have the same "style" to them. Really cool post Tony. My Dad had a time share in Kapaa that I was able to snag a couple of times. I only got out on the water twice. Once on a fishing charter, and once on a sailboat. Real different boating than I am familiar with. John |
| power2boat |
posted 03-10-2010 01:17 PM ET (US)
High surf warning,gusty wind advisory,says the weather man. You must be still on the island Tony.Conditions will not change or allow for any water shots.There will be better days. Boston Whaler has done a good job of spreading their product and reputation around the world,even in this remote secret place. Saw your topic and had to reply,well done,the pictures came out pretty good considering the conditions.I thought it would be a good topic for the Boston Whaler family and friends. The blue hull white top BW in the picture is a commercial issue of the 19' outrage'Sentry'.(Modified).Used for harbour patrol or beach patrol by the life guards.I saw one on the tv show'Baywatch'long time ago. That was a fun day although short,keep a tight line.Aloha. |
| Estero |
posted 03-10-2010 02:17 PM ET (US)
Great post Tony, I really like those mods. You reminded me I need to get back to Kauai sooner than later. Tim |
| Tohsgib |
posted 03-10-2010 03:09 PM ET (US)
Why the radical design? Is it because waves just break on the bow all day long? These look more designed for function rather than form. Basically to keep you dry and water out of the boat? FYI...that is not a banana 21 with the twin Evinzuki 70's. That is a 19'. I guess my reasoning that twin 70 Evinzukis was too heavy for a 30+ year old boat is not true. |
| Peter |
posted 03-10-2010 06:58 PM ET (US)
Tony -- This is how your boat should be rigged for your treacherous fishing expeditions == > i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/elaelap/KauaiBWs2035.jpg . More or less same amount of total power on the transom but far more balanced, useful and safer. |
| Hoosier |
posted 03-10-2010 08:24 PM ET (US)
I spent 5 years on Kauai in my misguided youth. There are no sheltered waters. I find it interesting that all the Hawaiian fishermen use twins of lower total HP that this forum usually recommends for the given hulls. If all you have to do is go 1 mile off shore to be in 1000+ feet of water and then troll all day for Ahi, Akuli, Ono, Mahi Mahi, and Humpback Whales. |
| WT |
posted 03-10-2010 08:42 PM ET (US)
Not all Hawaiian Whaler have twins. Here's a 22 Outrage on Oahu with a single Yamaha 225 4 stoke, with no kicker. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/DSC_8210.jpg I think a classic Montauk with twin Honda 50's is the way to go. Same weight as the twin Yamaha 40's. Warren |
| elaelap |
posted 03-11-2010 03:25 AM ET (US)
I hear you, Peter. Twin 40s or 50s on a classic Montauk would be sick (yikes!, did I really use that jargon from my kids' generation...I meant to say "bitchin'"). I'd be sure to go with separate fuel tanks and lines as Bert has done with his OR 22. Tony |
| Peter |
posted 03-11-2010 07:15 AM ET (US)
Hoosier -- I think the reason you see lesser HP in twins is that most of those boats are set up with twin 4-strokes so they have a serious transom weight problem if they went to maximum power. A pair of 115 4-strokes (230 HP total), for example, would put well over 800 lbs on the transom of a 22 Outrage. That's way too much weight. You'd have a lot of water washing over the transom with that kind of weight. What pound test fishing line do you use for a humpback whale and how do you land one? ;) |
| Hoosier |
posted 03-11-2010 09:13 AM ET (US)
We used a torpedo recovery boat, a 1/4" cable, and a REALLY BIG HOOK...;-) |
| boatdryver |
posted 03-11-2010 09:48 AM ET (US)
I think if an Outrage 22 with 225 HP went to full power in those conditions it would be airborne most of the time anyway, and the occupants would be in for some serious spine surgery. JimL |
| prj |
posted 03-11-2010 10:22 AM ET (US)
Great set of photos. I'd be interested to hear the explanation that Nick requested, why do these boats all have cabin/windshields forward with wave deflectors? Or did I just answer my own question... Hey, perhaps if the cabins weren't so damned far forward, they wouldn't bury the bow and need the wave deflectors! I don't believe that twin 40 rigged boat is a Boston Whaler hull. Can someone verify or dispute this? |
| Perry |
posted 03-11-2010 12:14 PM ET (US)
Many people here in Hawaii like to have lots of working area to lay fishing nets, store scuba tanks and dive gear as well as room to fish. They are very utilitarian. A center console gets in the way and takes up lots of working area. The seas here can get pretty nasty and it's good to have a partial forward cabin with windscreen. Radons used to be very popular here in the 70's and 80's but as they dissapeared, people started to convert their small boats into Radon-like clones. Many of the people who convert their boats in this way are serious fishermen. I prefer to keep my Whaler the way it came from the factory because I use my boat for both fishing and recreation. |
| elaelap |
posted 03-11-2010 07:59 PM ET (US)
Carson (Perry) is being modest. His 190 Outrage is better than new (IMO, that is...check out the big Honda), and he keeps it in mint condition even though he uses it exclusively in salt water and in often lumpy, trade winds conditions. http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/elaelap/Picture_099__2_.jpg That's Kaneohe Bay, BTW, on the east side of Oahu. Very, very nice. Tony |
| elaelap |
posted 03-11-2010 08:01 PM ET (US)
Whoops! west side of Oahu. |
| Hoosier |
posted 03-11-2010 09:53 PM ET (US)
Try NORTH side, as in WINDWARD, of Oahu....;-) |
| Perry |
posted 03-11-2010 09:56 PM ET (US)
Trade winds come from the North East. Kaneohe Bay is on the windward (NE) side of Oahu....Aloha |
| power2boat |
posted 03-12-2010 01:30 AM ET (US)
Mr. Perry is on the right track.By putting the cab forward there is a lot more work space on deck.The original fuel tank space becomes the 6' long fish box.Where do you store a 200lb Tuna on a center console?How about wrestling a 400lb marlin on a cc? Don't forget the ice. I get many 'thannkyouus' from the VIP's,especially the cuties who want to help me drive, while their macho men sit in the back getting sun stroke.Gotta keep the women happy. If your boating in protected waters like K bay a bimini top is all you need. BWs may take some wind spray, but rare to take a full wave over the bow.I think they are designed to float on top. Check out the picture of the 17' with the Whaler sticker on the side,the fish box is full width.Big. |
| Perry |
posted 03-12-2010 03:24 AM ET (US)
I now have a T-Top on my Whaler: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/perrycl/Picture243.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/perrycl/Picture0411.jpg I spend about half of my boating time inside Kailua and Kaneohe Bays and the rest is 10 to 20 miles out at the FAD buoys fishing for pelagic fish. I use large fish bags to store fish and have a 100 qt. cooler full of ice in front of the console. I have put a 186 lb. Ahi in the bag but they burn up ice fast. |
| WT |
posted 03-12-2010 10:56 AM ET (US)
This is nuts! Every since I saw the classic 17 Montauk with twin 40's I haven't been able to get her out of my head. It's like an obsession now. That's a great setup. Warren |
| elaelap |
posted 03-12-2010 11:36 AM ET (US)
I hear you, partner. I'm almost sorry that my new-to-me 1982 Montauk came with a sweet DF70 barely broken in, with only 60 hours on the clock. How about twin Yamaha F60s (or the new F70s) on a classic OR 18?! Pricey, but oh so sweet and just fine weight-wise. Tony |
| erik selis |
posted 03-13-2010 05:05 AM ET (US)
17-Montauk hulls with dual engines are not all that uncommon around here. Here's one that a friend of mine bought. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/erik069/Guardian%20Restoration/ BostonW14.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/erik069/Guardian%20Restoration/ BostonW12.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/erik069/Guardian%20Restoration/ BostonW03.jpg |
| erik selis |
posted 03-13-2010 05:09 AM ET (US)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/erik069/Guardian%20Restoration/ BostonW14.jpg |
| Hoosier |
posted 03-13-2010 09:43 AM ET (US)
Erik, What's that tire looking attachment with the red hub at the back of the trailer? |
| lizard |
posted 03-13-2010 09:49 AM ET (US)
WT- How about a set of E-TEC 40's weighing it at 480 lbs. Or the Suzuki 40's totaling 486 lbs. I know that Dave Buckalew was pretty happy when he threw those twin E-TECs on his Outrage. I think he even named them. |
| erik selis |
posted 03-13-2010 01:56 PM ET (US)
Actually they are small tires. There are two of them that help align the boat to the centre of the trailer. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/erik069/Guardian%20Restoration/ Final3Medium.jpg http://www.pegabv.nl/boottrailers.html We usually winch the whole boat onto the trailer and these wheels help a lot. Erik |
| WT |
posted 03-14-2010 10:50 AM ET (US)
Thanks Erik, nice pictures. Now you've really done it. Lizard, twins would have been a great option for me considering the waters I fish in. Unfortunately, as of this year, most of my fishing holes north of Bodega Bay have been turned into a State Marine Reserve. Looks like I may have to relocate to Oahu to do some fishing. Maybe off a classic Montauk with twins. :-)
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| PeteB88 |
posted 03-14-2010 11:25 AM ET (US)
Erik - what's the HP of those Honda twins? Maybe I missed something. |
| skiff |
posted 03-15-2010 05:40 AM ET (US)
Tony, FANTASTIC shots! Loved those conversions, some cleaner than others but all getting the logic right. More walk room, better weather/wind/spray protection, superior weight distribution. Hawaii has long had a tradition of customizing boats in this fashion; I've seen some real beauties over the years. Thanks a lot for those photos, it really gets the imagination turning. The twins make nothing but sense, and have long been a hallmark of Island boats. I'd really love to talk to the owner with those 40's on the back, and see how well those motors move that kind of weight. |
| erik selis |
posted 03-15-2010 06:33 AM ET (US)
Pete, those are 50-hp Honda's on that 17-ft Guardian hull. At the time they were probably the lightest 4-cycle engines available. Erik |
| elaelap |
posted 03-15-2010 10:12 AM ET (US)
Thanks, Jeff. Here's a shot of Jeff/skiff's ultra-clean Sport 15 conversion (for sale last I heard, BTW, for a ridiculously low price): http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/elaelap/Jeffssweet15-1.jpg Tony |
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