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frontier posted 09-04-2010 04:18 PM ET (US)   Profile for frontier   Send Email to frontier  
Just looking at the 2011 Grady White brochure. Lots of dual console family boats. 19', 20', 22', 25', 27', even a 30 footer. Do they know something we don't? Is the demise of the Whaler Ventura series premature?

We sure love our classic 1987 Boston Whaler 17 Super Sport Limited dual console.

contender posted 09-04-2010 05:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for contender  Send Email to contender     
I do not consider a boat dual console boat unless you can control the boat from both positions...
dowdhh posted 09-04-2010 10:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for dowdhh  Send Email to dowdhh     
Grady White has always known something we do don't. Best boat aside from a Whaler. I had a 74, 20ft cudy cab ,it could and did handle 8ft'rs But hold on tight!!
sraab928 posted 09-05-2010 08:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for sraab928  Send Email to sraab928     
Dual consoles are making a huge comeback. Many manufacturers are jumping on the band wagon. It sort of a sport utility boat - it can fish, cruise, tube ski etc. While it does none of them great - it does most of them well. Take a look around they are everywhere.

Robalo makes a R227 and R247 that are very nice. Pursuit just came out with a 26 footer that is really nice.

I wouldnt be surprised to see Whaler jump back on the bandwagon soon.

Lil Whaler Lover posted 09-05-2010 08:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Lil Whaler Lover  Send Email to Lil Whaler Lover     
Grady White recognizes something that has helped build their extremely loyal customer base. To make it as simple as possible, "if Momma ain't happy, nobody gonna be happy".

During the economic downturn it has become obvious (at least here in Eastern North Carolina), that woman are more involved in the purchase of a family boat. The amenities of a well designed dual console, with walk through windshield, are very appealing for family use.

For over 25 years, Grady White used the model designator TOURNAMENT for all dual console models. For the 2011 model year they have changed the name to FREEDOM. This name change was made in part because market studies showed that the term Tournament led people to believe that the boat was designed for Tournament fishing and had a negative impact on family sales. For the 2010 model year Grady White reintroduced the 192 "Tournament" now 192 Freedom and it instantly became the top selling model.

Boston Whaler dual console boats (Supersports etc.), have been non industry standard layouts, or not particularly roomy verses a Grady White of comparable size. Boston Whaler has not focused enough resources to build the best designed dual console boats. The market is there, they should pursue it not abandon it.

SJUAE posted 09-05-2010 01:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Not wishing to stereotype er-indoors but our other halves are easily persuaded by the number of seats and that wrap around seating typical of walkthrough (dual consoles) regardless of quality and other functionality of the boat

GW and others may of adapted to suit a larger customer base to compete against typical ski/day boat types with similar seating arrangements.

BW already have a more general family appeal range with the Dauntless with it's more modern integrated mouldings. It,s not until you have the 230 do you get the pop up back rests which gives a similar appeal to the walkthrough seating. The dauntless rear bench seat is far superior to most walkthroughs.

I agree if BW could offer a slightly different moulding in the foredeck for wrap around seating and some other creature comforts instead of the bait well at the back of the helm seating they may well capture a slightly larger customer base

Regards
Steve

andygere posted 09-07-2010 11:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Virtually all of the dual console Grady's I see on the water have one thing in common: they are equipped with a full set of weather canvas, and the boats are running with all that canvas deployed. This speaks directly to the point Lil Whaler Lover makes: A boat with a cozy greenhouse on the deck is more appealing than an open center console boat to many second mates. If you boat in a cool or wet climate, it's hard to disagree with that line of thinking.
18 Ventura posted 09-07-2010 11:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for 18 Ventura    
It did strike me as strange that Boston Whaler discontinued the Ventura models just as DC’s seem to gaining in popularity. Maybe there are plans to redesign the dual console lineup again?
SJUAE posted 09-07-2010 03:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
I wonder if it's the case of being a jack of all trades and a master of none ?

Tough call I would guess

Regards
Steve

themclos posted 09-07-2010 04:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for themclos  Send Email to themclos     
I can tell you my wife very much would prefer a 21 Ventura over our 22 Outrage Cuddy.

Dan

bluewaterpirate posted 09-07-2010 08:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
This is our 8th season with Two of a Kind our 210 Ventura. It is truly a jack of all trades that masters them all. You all know our story with this boat so I won't bore you. Wouldn't hesitate to buy another one.

Look for Whaler to reenter this market in the next year or so using the new 25 Outrage hull.

Tom

SJUAE posted 09-07-2010 09:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
My apologies chaps I was not referring to your fine boats but to BW generally how far should they stray from their existing line to get more sales if walkthrough/dual consoles and others have more mass appeal

Regards
Steve

boatdryver posted 09-07-2010 09:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for boatdryver  Send Email to boatdryver     
SJUAE, FYI, the 20 ft 6 inch 200 Dauntless sold in the U. S. also has the fold-up
backrest seating across the stern. It can seat 4 persons.

JimL

SJUAE posted 09-07-2010 10:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Jiml

Thanks, I think all the new dauntless range offer the nice rear seat arrangement sorry if you though I was only implying just the 230

Regards
Steve

Whaler_bob posted 09-08-2010 10:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whaler_bob    
I sold my 17' Montauk last summer to purchase a Grady Tournament 192.
Apples and oranges as far as performance and features.
For us (myself, wife, two teen children) the 19' dual console is just the perfect layout. The Grady is very wide, especially compared to a Montauk and gives us plenty of room, lateral stability and true seating for 8 people.
tonyj1 posted 09-11-2010 08:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for tonyj1  Send Email to tonyj1     
I bouight my 210 Ventura because it just does everything I want to do well, and I prefer it very much over a center console for versatility. And yes, the wife likes it better too. She and I just saw a Grady 275 and we are hooked, once the seawall/dock is redone at our condo to accept a boat that size I think we are going to upgrade.

I think Whaler will regret it if they do not reintroduce a dual console line.

In addition to Grady, Pursuit has introduced a DC. Edgewater, Robalo, and others also offer models.

Tony

boatdryver posted 09-11-2010 08:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for boatdryver  Send Email to boatdryver     
I like the fold-down bow ladder on the Edgewater double console boats for beachcombing. Great idea.

JimL

sosmerc posted 09-11-2010 10:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for sosmerc  Send Email to sosmerc     
If Whaler does decide to "re-introduce" a dual console such as my 18 Ventura I'd sure like to make some suggestions:
Eliminate the splashwell
Design the transom for a single 25 inch motor or twin 20 inch like the old 18 Outrage
Move the batteries up to a compartment under the consoles.
Use large scuppers on the sides of the hull at the back such that all deck water is directed to them without any tubes passing back to the transom.
Eliminate the need for any bildge pump...eliminate a bildge.
Offer a scaled down rigid T-Top like the Conquest (with some storage underneath)
Off a "no built in fuel tank option"...but maybe a compartment in the floor that would provide room for about 4 portable 6 gallon tanks.
Offer a hull without engines or rigging.
sosmerc posted 09-11-2010 10:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for sosmerc  Send Email to sosmerc     
That compartment in the floor could have a removable plug just like the anchor locker and could double as a fish box for those that could get by with a couple of 6 gallon tanks on the deck back behind the short bulkhead/splashwell such as the old 18 has.
tombro posted 09-12-2010 07:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for tombro  Send Email to tombro     
It's a shame Whaler left this market, as the other manufacturers have picked up the ball and run with it, especially Grady White. I can only imagine they are retooling for a new line debuting this coming winter boat show season.

If I were to move up from our 210 Ventura, it would likely be to another Dual Console, but in a 25 foot length. The GW Freedom 25 (with hardtop) would be a perfect choice, and I am hoping Whaler has a competitive model should we decide to upgrade.

billsa posted 09-12-2010 09:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for billsa  Send Email to billsa     
sosmerc - I like your idea of removing the built in fuel tank and elimating the need for a bilge. I believe that these two things contibute the most to the longevity classic BW's under 17 feet. It will be interesting to see how well recieved the new 170 sport will be recieved (if you could consider it to be a dual console boat.
Tohsgib posted 09-12-2010 10:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
That is why I bought my 76 Revenge.
sosmerc posted 09-12-2010 11:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for sosmerc  Send Email to sosmerc     
I really like the new sports, all of them. They are the simple clean machines that appeal to me now. I just wish you could get them without any power or rigging. I would enjoy choosing my own engine and rigging (though I do think the Merc F60 Bigfoot is a fine motor).
To me, these new "Sports" are the new "Classics" and I think they are going to sell very well.
sapple posted 09-13-2010 08:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for sapple  Send Email to sapple     
If BW offered a dual console boat in the 17 ft size at the time I was shopping for a boat I would have preferred it over my CC Montauk. I could have gone for a different make but having a Whaler was a higher priority for me than having a dual console boat. Sometimes I think about customizing my Montauk to set it up as a dual counsole. But I fear it would cost too much and the end result would not be as good as what I have now.
Sal A posted 09-14-2010 06:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
My neighbor bought the Robalo 247 with a Yamaha single F350 on the back. The boat is a tank, and the layout works well with his wife, 2 kids, and Portuguese water dog.

Tombro has sung the praises of the 210 Ventura for years, as an SUV of a boat. They are great designs.

bluewaterpirate posted 09-14-2010 08:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
The 210 Ventura is a tank for sure. Just use your imagination when rigging any dual console you'll be surprised at what you can come with it.

Our 210 Ventura ... rigged for offshore fishing.

http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv129/bluewaterpirate/ Two%20of%20a%20Kind%20Fishing%20Setup/24.jpg?t=1284467292

http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv129/bluewaterpirate/ Two%20of%20a%20Kind%20Fishing%20Setup/28.jpg?t=1284467434

http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv129/bluewaterpirate/ Two%20of%20a%20Kind/5.jpg?t=1284467679

Alot of dealers have no when it comes to setting these boats up. They are very myopic in their thinking.

Tom

SJUAE posted 09-14-2010 03:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Tom

Nice boat, what year ?

I have the 210 outrage 2006 looks like the same hull, I never had the option here to get the Ventura. I like the fact you also have a proper bow locker

I think a T-Top similar to the outrage would of been a great extra and good for your rod and out rigger collection :)

Regards
Steve

bluewaterpirate posted 09-14-2010 04:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
2002 ..... We bought her in July of 2002 and have logged a little over 3800 hours it. Been one hellva of a ride. We got a great deal on it ... dealer was getting out of the Whaler business ..... brand new out the door including the trailer $39000.00

Tom

Jeff posted 09-14-2010 04:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff  Send Email to Jeff     
After looking at the Edgewater 24' CX at the last boat show there was no doubt that, if I had the money and was going to boat a larger family boat, that would be it. The boat is set up with lots of open deck space, a head, tons of seating and could be rigged for fishing, watersports or general family fun. Truly a great boat. I just wish there was a good way to create a forward shelter that did not loo out of place that allowed you to use the front area as a bunk.

http://www.ewboats.com/245_crossover_21.html

logjam posted 09-14-2010 05:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for logjam  Send Email to logjam     
I don't keep track of the current and past offerings of the major boat manufacturers, but it appears to me that what they are now labeling as "Dual Console" are in most cases what used to be referred to as a "bow rider". I suspect it is a marketing ploy to make men feel better about choosing a family boat instead of a fishing boat.

I have used a boat designed as a dual conole, with standing room behind two consoles and a forward bunk area. It didn't look like your typical family boat or bow rider and wouldn't be a popular choice with most seeking a streamlined, family boat, but was a great fishing machine.

Buoy posted 09-14-2010 09:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buoy  Send Email to Buoy     
I too would have liked to get into the 245CX but the 21" draft is impractical for my area. If I were king, BW would build me a DC from the 235 Conquest hull, 3,800 lbs dry weight with only a 15" draft. They'd retain the windshield height for weather protection, offer a walk thru transon door, and of course a hard-top with rodholders (and geez, how about a couple of tackle drawers!)

Factory rep told me that they're reinvigorating the Boston Whaler fishing brand, that DCs were not on the roadmap...my money's on a new DC offering for 2012.

SJUAE posted 09-15-2010 04:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Sorry there is something just a little bit to square or angular about the Edgewater inner hull outfit that does not seem to best display their quality it's almost they have done it just to be different

Regards
Steve

18 Ventura posted 09-16-2010 09:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for 18 Ventura    
Grady White has a nice line of dual consoles as well. I almost bought a 19’ Tournament, but opted for my Ventura instead. I’ve seen quite a few GW dual consoles in my neck of the woods. Nice looking boats.
bluewaterpirate posted 09-16-2010 10:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
I live about 3 miles from the Grady White complex and know many who work there. Been thru the plant many times .... they are true craftsman who build well designed boats. Their DC line sells well especially the 22 foot model. Yesterday afternoon I got to ride on the new Freedom 255 really great boat that can be rigged so many different ways. As rigged with the T-Top, 350 hp Yamaha, and all the bells a whistles $98500. You can get the boat rigged with twin 150's if you want.

Tom

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