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contender posted 10-15-2010 11:30 AM ET (US)
Lets say I purchase a brand new 250 Yamaha 4 stroke for x amount of dollars, At the same time I purchase a brand new 250 Evinrude for x amount of dollars. Its now 5 years later. Both engines say have 350 hours, both engines were well taken care of and neither engine had any repairs (other than water pump, plugs). I want to sell both engines will the 4 stroke bring more money or will the 2 stroke, or will they be the same?...Was the extra money for the 4 stroke worth it in the beginning?
tjxtreme posted 10-15-2010 12:07 PM ET (US)
Are you trying to discern a difference in brand or 2 vs 4 stroke?
I'd be interested in seeing some numbers too. I think with 20% fuel economy increase over 350 hours, plus oil cost... it would add up, but I don't have the info to calculate.
From here http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001078.html
jimh posted 10-15-2010 01:14 PM ET (US)
My experience is that buying any new engine is a good way to experience steep depreciation in the first year or two of ownership. Finding used late-model engines for sale without an attached boat is difficult. Typically if someone is selling an engine that is only one or two years old, there usually is an motivating factor in the decision to sell.
Tohsgib posted 10-15-2010 01:16 PM ET (US)
Well I know that a Yamaha 4 stroke would command more money than a HPDI. I also know that an E-Tec will command more than a Fict or Optimax. Would a Yamaha 4 stroke command more than an E-Tec...hard to say.
Peter posted 10-15-2010 01:34 PM ET (US)
The question is really asking what is the depreciation rate of various types of outboards. Despite hearing opinion that 4-strokes have "higher resale value" which one might interprete as having a slower rate of depreciation, I have yet to see any actual evidence presented by anybody that one type of outboard motor depreciates at a faster rate than any other type of outboard motor. Certainly, the higher price you pay above market for an outboard motor, the greater the potential depreciation you are setting yourself up to experience at the time of resale.
tedious posted 10-15-2010 01:49 PM ET (US)
I don't draw the line between 2 vs. 4 stroke, but rather in terms of technology.
I would place both fuel-injected 4 strokes and modern, direct-injection 2 strokes such as the eTec at the top of the list of desirability and resale value scale. Carbed 4-strokes and older direct-injection 2 strokes such as the Optimax would be somewhere in the middle, and carbed 2-strokes would be bringing up the rear. Fichts are a special case - still a modern, DFI motor, but with a history that probably renders them less resellable.
Tim
hauptjm posted 10-15-2010 02:19 PM ET (US)

quote:
Well I know that a Yamaha 4 stroke would command more money than a HPDI. I also know that an E-Tec will command more than a Fict or Optimax. Would a Yamaha 4 stroke command more than an E-Tec...hard to say.
I think this says it all!
Tohsgib posted 10-15-2010 02:25 PM ET (US)
Yeah..so do I ;)
SJUAE posted 10-15-2010 03:47 PM ET (US)
I would speculate that there are those who want a modern four stroke and those who want a modern 2 stroke like the ETEC.
Given that it’s likely there are more secondhand Merc’s and Yams etc on the market vs ETEC’s and similarly buyers, there is little in it other than it will be easier and more likely to find a cheaper 4 stoke.
In the absent of actual numbers I would guess you stand a better chance of getting a cheap secondhand modern 4 stroke over an ETEC as more reference prices are likely to drive the 4 stroke prices lower IMO.
So one could say depreciation on a four stroke is more likely simply on numbers vs buyers but an ETEC may take longer to sell but potentially at a better price.
Regards
Steve
Peter posted 10-15-2010 04:00 PM ET (US)
"Well I know that a Yamaha 4 stroke would command more money than a HPDI."
With the exhaust system corrosion that is now being found on Yamaha F200s and F225s from the early to mid 2000s, a used HPDI (except for the 250 HP model) is likely to command more money.
Jefecinco posted 10-16-2010 09:50 AM ET (US)
I believe used boats with four strokes will sell more quickly than will those with two strokes IF THEY ARE PRICED ABOUT THE SAME all else being more or less equal. I believe this is particularly true of first time buyers with less knowledge. If the two stroke engine equipped boat is priced lower than the four stroke equipped boat it will sell more quickly.
If that holds true throughout the market it tends to indicate that the four stroke engine equipped boat which cost more to buy will have to depreciate more to be competitive with the two stroke engine equipped boat.
Butch
Tohsgib posted 10-18-2010 02:02 PM ET (US)
I guess i am right about a couple observations. For starters there is a 2005 HPDI 250 for $8500 by me and there is a 2005 Optimax 250 for $4k as well with 1/2 the hours on it. http://sarasota.craigslist.org/boa/2012204938.html

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Author	Topic: Used Engines Prices
contender	posted 10-15-2010 11:30 AM ET (US) Lets say I purchase a brand new 250 Yamaha 4 stroke for x amount of dollars, At the same time I purchase a brand new 250 Evinrude for x amount of dollars. Its now 5 years later. Both engines say have 350 hours, both engines were well taken care of and neither engine had any repairs (other than water pump, plugs). I want to sell both engines will the 4 stroke bring more money or will the 2 stroke, or will they be the same?...Was the extra money for the 4 stroke worth it in the beginning?
tjxtreme	posted 10-15-2010 12:07 PM ET (US) Are you trying to discern a difference in brand or 2 vs 4 stroke? I'd be interested in seeing some numbers too. I think with 20% fuel economy increase over 350 hours, plus oil cost... it would add up, but I don't have the info to calculate. From here http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001078.html
jimh	posted 10-15-2010 01:14 PM ET (US) My experience is that buying any new engine is a good way to experience steep depreciation in the first year or two of ownership. Finding used late-model engines for sale without an attached boat is difficult. Typically if someone is selling an engine that is only one or two years old, there usually is an motivating factor in the decision to sell.
Tohsgib	posted 10-15-2010 01:16 PM ET (US) Well I know that a Yamaha 4 stroke would command more money than a HPDI. I also know that an E-Tec will command more than a Fict or Optimax. Would a Yamaha 4 stroke command more than an E-Tec...hard to say.
Peter	posted 10-15-2010 01:34 PM ET (US) The question is really asking what is the depreciation rate of various types of outboards. Despite hearing opinion that 4-strokes have "higher resale value" which one might interprete as having a slower rate of depreciation, I have yet to see any actual evidence presented by anybody that one type of outboard motor depreciates at a faster rate than any other type of outboard motor. Certainly, the higher price you pay above market for an outboard motor, the greater the potential depreciation you are setting yourself up to experience at the time of resale.
tedious	posted 10-15-2010 01:49 PM ET (US) I don't draw the line between 2 vs. 4 stroke, but rather in terms of technology. I would place both fuel-injected 4 strokes and modern, direct-injection 2 strokes such as the eTec at the top of the list of desirability and resale value scale. Carbed 4-strokes and older direct-injection 2 strokes such as the Optimax would be somewhere in the middle, and carbed 2-strokes would be bringing up the rear. Fichts are a special case - still a modern, DFI motor, but with a history that probably renders them less resellable. Tim
hauptjm	posted 10-15-2010 02:19 PM ET (US) quote: Well I know that a Yamaha 4 stroke would command more money than a HPDI. I also know that an E-Tec will command more than a Fict or Optimax. Would a Yamaha 4 stroke command more than an E-Tec...hard to say. I think this says it all!
Tohsgib	posted 10-15-2010 02:25 PM ET (US) Yeah..so do I ;)
SJUAE	posted 10-15-2010 03:47 PM ET (US) I would speculate that there are those who want a modern four stroke and those who want a modern 2 stroke like the ETEC. Given that it’s likely there are more secondhand Merc’s and Yams etc on the market vs ETEC’s and similarly buyers, there is little in it other than it will be easier and more likely to find a cheaper 4 stoke. In the absent of actual numbers I would guess you stand a better chance of getting a cheap secondhand modern 4 stroke over an ETEC as more reference prices are likely to drive the 4 stroke prices lower IMO. So one could say depreciation on a four stroke is more likely simply on numbers vs buyers but an ETEC may take longer to sell but potentially at a better price. Regards Steve
Peter	posted 10-15-2010 04:00 PM ET (US) "Well I know that a Yamaha 4 stroke would command more money than a HPDI." With the exhaust system corrosion that is now being found on Yamaha F200s and F225s from the early to mid 2000s, a used HPDI (except for the 250 HP model) is likely to command more money.
Jefecinco	posted 10-16-2010 09:50 AM ET (US) I believe used boats with four strokes will sell more quickly than will those with two strokes IF THEY ARE PRICED ABOUT THE SAME all else being more or less equal. I believe this is particularly true of first time buyers with less knowledge. If the two stroke engine equipped boat is priced lower than the four stroke equipped boat it will sell more quickly. If that holds true throughout the market it tends to indicate that the four stroke engine equipped boat which cost more to buy will have to depreciate more to be competitive with the two stroke engine equipped boat. Butch
Tohsgib	posted 10-18-2010 02:02 PM ET (US) I guess i am right about a couple observations. For starters there is a 2005 HPDI 250 for $8500 by me and there is a 2005 Optimax 250 for $4k as well with 1/2 the hours on it. http://sarasota.craigslist.org/boa/2012204938.html