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Nails posted 11-14-2010 06:10 PM ET (US)
[There was no content in this article except an apology for employing a particular word (since deleted) in the SUBJECT line, and a hyperlink to an article elsewhere which told of resuce of two persons from a Boston Whaler boat which capsized in Barnegat Light Inlet in New Jersey. The actual article contained barely anything more than I have summarized above, and it was wrapped around so many advertisements that its text was actually not even readable.--jimh]
Tohsgib posted 11-14-2010 09:32 PM ET (US)
Yup! I grew up on that inlet, watch your arse.
PeteB88 posted 11-14-2010 11:42 PM ET (US)
Any more details, conditions?
burning_hXc_soul posted 11-15-2010 01:47 AM ET (US)
I wonder what they were doing? It was always amazing to watch what people would do going through the inlet there. You always had to wonder if they weren't trying to show off for the tourists on the south jetty...
deepwater posted 11-15-2010 02:55 AM ET (US)
Indian River inlet in Delaware is (was) another bad one
tom976 posted 11-15-2010 09:35 AM ET (US)
So the guys are save and sound.... But what about the poor 17' whaler?
Nantucket Sleighride posted 11-15-2010 12:58 PM ET (US)

You may recall the article. on page 76 of "Cetacea", entitled “Crossing the Oceans”.
http://www.continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage76.html
An overturned Boston Whaler 18’ Dauntless was off the coast of England after 30 months adrift in the Atlantic.
Proof once again that Boston Whalers will not sink but sadly they can flip over !

I have assured my wife that I will paint the letters "SOS" on the underside of my 17' Whaler.
If my Whaler should find itself turtled then 4' wide bright orange "SOS" lettering
should be easily spotted by Coast Guard helicopter.
Bill
Tohsgib posted 11-15-2010 02:10 PM ET (US)
I would not SOS, I would do SMA(Save My Arse), the heck with the ship.
Tohsgib posted 11-15-2010 02:11 PM ET (US)
There is/was a guy by me that had "Dial 911" painted on the sides of his Montauk upside down. If boat flipped you would read it normal.
Nantucket Sleighride posted 11-15-2010 02:37 PM ET (US)
I have just learned that the letters "SOS" do not stand for "Save Our Ship" or "Save Our Souls", as I had previously thought.
The morse code distress signal ...---... just happens to read "SOS"
http://www.yaelf.com/aueFAQ/mifsos.shtml
Bill
where2 posted 11-15-2010 08:10 PM ET (US)
While we're on the flipping subject, check the Wahoo in the photos alongside this article. Although potentially unsinkable, a Wahoo is NOT unflippable.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/weather-news/ forecasters-warn-of-high-waves-rip-currents-across-1049711.html
Bear in mind the boater likely went out Palm Beach inlet, which being 35'-40' deep in the channel and open for large container ships in excess of 200' usually does not have breaking waves across it. Once the Wahoo was around the south side of the jetty between the jetty and shore in 20'-25' of water, it was doomed as you will see. Sand is regularly pumped across the inlet and piled on the south side of the south jetty to continue washing southward with nature. Nature was busy on Saturday!
As I passed by Palm Beach Inlet on Sunday afternoon in my father's 20' Edgewater, the surf had died down some. The waves were still breaking heavily on the jetties, but the middle of the inlet was quite passable if you were foolish enough to want venture out. We stayed inside, as prudent boaters would. There's nothing to see out there but nature's fury.
andygere posted 11-15-2010 08:55 PM ET (US)
I can't help but wonder if the Barnagat light boaters have ever practiced operating their craft in heavy surf...
Tohsgib posted 11-16-2010 10:42 AM ET (US)
Practiced? I lived in that inlet jumping waves.
jimh posted 11-16-2010 10:39 PM ET (US)
I never thought SOS meant "save our ship." I think the only people who did were people who knew nothing about Morse Code. SOS is a prosign--a code combination sent as a single group but indicated by the letter elements it contains.
kb5xg posted 11-17-2010 07:05 AM ET (US)
Shave and a haircut is also good-by
dit dit
[Perhaps among Boy Scouts but not among any telegraphers I know--jimh]
Mark D posted 11-17-2010 07:36 AM ET (US)
Did those guys recover their boat?
rtk posted 11-17-2010 07:36 AM ET (US)
The four or so days previous to this happening the winds were consistently blowing North to East 15 to 25 knots. There were small craft warnings and sea states forecast for that day from 5 to 7 feet and winds forecast 10 to 20 knots from the east.
When you get a strong onshore wind over a few days off this inlet sea conditions become terrible. Just outside the inlet the water depth is as low as 15 to 20 feet. Out 3 miles it is only about 60 feet deep. So that 7 foot sea is a very short period swell- more like a chop.
I was supposed to go striper fishing on a buddy's 28 Bertram and we decided no way due to the forecast. This guy is a seasoned canyon fisherman.
Poor decision to sail in these conditions off this inlet.
Rich
themclos posted 11-17-2010 08:10 AM ET (US)
Those Barnegat Light fishermen were not in the inlet when they capsized, they were outside the inlet, about half a mile away.
They were drifting and came up on a bar and a wave broke over their boat sideways, flipping them. I believe the boat was towed in.
I agree they should not have been out in these conditions.
I was out on a 31' charter boat that Saturday fishing for stripers by Sandy Hook, NJ, which is about 70 miles north of Barnegat Light. Conditions were not comfortable at all.
Seas were 7 to 10 ft, and I would not have taken my 22 Outrage out of the Raritan Bay. A number of party boats (65' to 85' long) stayed at the dock the day before, when the wind was really howling.
Being a Saturday, you can only imagine the number of boats that were out. The craziest one was a guy fishing alone in a 13 foot Boston Whaler Sport.
At least he was trolling, and not drifting. Also, for those not familiar with the area, the mouth of the Raritan is substantial, providing considerable room to navigate over the rollers.
The 13 footer stayed away from Roamer Shoal, where you could surf on this day, but he did turn the corner and headed out front. Every now and then I would look over, and wait a few seconds for him to pop up on a swell.
Dan
Dan
vin1722or posted 11-17-2010 11:25 AM ET (US)
He is a friend of mine.He has been fishing barnegat inlet for 15 years.He tried to turn around on the face of a cresting wave and pitch poled over almost hitting another friend in his parker that was fihing next to him.They were fishing whitewater on the north bar and the waves were 4'-7' and cresting.Boat US destroyed the t-top,console and engine hood getting it uprite.He is rebuilding it to fish this weekend,he drained the outboard and had it running that night after he trailered it home.By the way he also recieved a bill for $3,800 for salvage from Boat us.
vin1722or posted 11-17-2010 11:29 AM ET (US)
themclos,it was not as bad in barnegat inlet sunday,it was fishable and the stripers love whitewater.That is why they were on the bar.The other 20-25 boats were fine.A mistake was made in judgement and he paid for it,that is all.
Tohsgib posted 11-17-2010 11:41 AM ET (US)
Yeah...he paid for it alright.
themclos posted 11-17-2010 02:34 PM ET (US)
vin1722or,
Thanks for the additional information. Sounds like an expensive day on the water.
Trust me, I am not looking to play backseat driver. I wouldn't have taken my old Montauk out, but those judgements are for each of us to make individually. Rather than say he (or anybody else for that matter) shouldn't have been out there, I should have said I wouldn't have gone.
Stuff happens, even to the prepared and experienced.
We were out from 6am until noon. I am told it was laying down as the day went on.
So he is putting the boat back together so he can get out this weekend? You have to admire his passion.
Dan
Tohsgib posted 11-17-2010 03:24 PM ET (US)
Vin did you mean the south bar? It gets pretty nasty and big real quick there. We used to surf it on surfboards. I have jumped those waves in my boat and actually hit bottom when landing. Great spot for Stripers but better be at the wheel and let someone else handle the rods. Friend's Dad filled up his Grady there in December one year the same way, luckily he was able to move away while the bilge pumps pumped her out. The north side is a jetty, is there a bar there now as well?
vin1722or posted 11-19-2010 12:10 PM ET (US)
They were on the north bar which is in the middle of the channel going out of the inlet.They were fishing the south bar and moved to the channel(north bar).
jimh posted 11-20-2010 10:05 AM ET (US)
This discussion that has followed actually contains much more information than the article whose hyperlink was the content of the first article in this thread and has since seen been deleted.
jimh posted 11-20-2010 10:10 AM ET (US)
With the crew safe ashore, what became of the Boston Whaler? We must have more news!
skinnywater posted 11-20-2010 10:30 AM ET (US)

quote:
Boat US destroyed the t-top,console and engine hood getting it uprite.He is rebuilding it to fish this weekend,he drained the outboard and had it running that night after he trailered it home.By the way he also recieved a bill for $3,800 for salvage from Boat us.
jimh posted 11-20-2010 11:17 AM ET (US)
Ouch! The cost of fishing just went up considerably for that gentleman.
vin1722or posted 11-20-2010 01:15 PM ET (US)
Jim,The whaler is going to be fine but the t-top is gone.The omc 88 special outboard is running again.He is remounting the console so he can finish fishing this season.The boat itself is in greeat shape with some scrapeson the interior only.They lost 5 rods and reels worth over $3,000 and many items from the boat.The worst item lost was his wallet with $300 and all his ID's.It was an expensive day to say the least.I will get some pictures of the boat.

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Author	Topic: Boston Whaler Capsize and Rescue
Nails	posted 11-14-2010 06:10 PM ET (US) [There was no content in this article except an apology for employing a particular word (since deleted) in the SUBJECT line, and a hyperlink to an article elsewhere which told of resuce of two persons from a Boston Whaler boat which capsized in Barnegat Light Inlet in New Jersey. The actual article contained barely anything more than I have summarized above, and it was wrapped around so many advertisements that its text was actually not even readable.--jimh]
Tohsgib	posted 11-14-2010 09:32 PM ET (US) Yup! I grew up on that inlet, watch your arse.
PeteB88	posted 11-14-2010 11:42 PM ET (US) Any more details, conditions?
burning_hXc_soul	posted 11-15-2010 01:47 AM ET (US) I wonder what they were doing? It was always amazing to watch what people would do going through the inlet there. You always had to wonder if they weren't trying to show off for the tourists on the south jetty...
deepwater	posted 11-15-2010 02:55 AM ET (US) Indian River inlet in Delaware is (was) another bad one
tom976	posted 11-15-2010 09:35 AM ET (US) So the guys are save and sound.... But what about the poor 17' whaler?
Nantucket Sleighride	posted 11-15-2010 12:58 PM ET (US) You may recall the article. on page 76 of "Cetacea", entitled “Crossing the Oceans”. http://www.continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage76.html An overturned Boston Whaler 18’ Dauntless was off the coast of England after 30 months adrift in the Atlantic. Proof once again that Boston Whalers will not sink but sadly they can flip over ! I have assured my wife that I will paint the letters "SOS" on the underside of my 17' Whaler. If my Whaler should find itself turtled then 4' wide bright orange "SOS" lettering should be easily spotted by Coast Guard helicopter. Bill
Tohsgib	posted 11-15-2010 02:10 PM ET (US) I would not SOS, I would do SMA(Save My Arse), the heck with the ship.
Tohsgib	posted 11-15-2010 02:11 PM ET (US) There is/was a guy by me that had "Dial 911" painted on the sides of his Montauk upside down. If boat flipped you would read it normal.
Nantucket Sleighride	posted 11-15-2010 02:37 PM ET (US) I have just learned that the letters "SOS" do not stand for "Save Our Ship" or "Save Our Souls", as I had previously thought. The morse code distress signal ...---... just happens to read "SOS" http://www.yaelf.com/aueFAQ/mifsos.shtml Bill
where2	posted 11-15-2010 08:10 PM ET (US) While we're on the flipping subject, check the Wahoo in the photos alongside this article. Although potentially unsinkable, a Wahoo is NOT unflippable. http://www.palmbeachpost.com/weather-news/ forecasters-warn-of-high-waves-rip-currents-across-1049711.html Bear in mind the boater likely went out Palm Beach inlet, which being 35'-40' deep in the channel and open for large container ships in excess of 200' usually does not have breaking waves across it. Once the Wahoo was around the south side of the jetty between the jetty and shore in 20'-25' of water, it was doomed as you will see. Sand is regularly pumped across the inlet and piled on the south side of the south jetty to continue washing southward with nature. Nature was busy on Saturday! As I passed by Palm Beach Inlet on Sunday afternoon in my father's 20' Edgewater, the surf had died down some. The waves were still breaking heavily on the jetties, but the middle of the inlet was quite passable if you were foolish enough to want venture out. We stayed inside, as prudent boaters would. There's nothing to see out there but nature's fury.
andygere	posted 11-15-2010 08:55 PM ET (US) I can't help but wonder if the Barnagat light boaters have ever practiced operating their craft in heavy surf...
Tohsgib	posted 11-16-2010 10:42 AM ET (US) Practiced? I lived in that inlet jumping waves.
jimh	posted 11-16-2010 10:39 PM ET (US) I never thought SOS meant "save our ship." I think the only people who did were people who knew nothing about Morse Code. SOS is a prosign--a code combination sent as a single group but indicated by the letter elements it contains.
kb5xg	posted 11-17-2010 07:05 AM ET (US) Shave and a haircut is also good-by dit dit [Perhaps among Boy Scouts but not among any telegraphers I know--jimh]
Mark D	posted 11-17-2010 07:36 AM ET (US) Did those guys recover their boat?
rtk	posted 11-17-2010 07:36 AM ET (US) The four or so days previous to this happening the winds were consistently blowing North to East 15 to 25 knots. There were small craft warnings and sea states forecast for that day from 5 to 7 feet and winds forecast 10 to 20 knots from the east. When you get a strong onshore wind over a few days off this inlet sea conditions become terrible. Just outside the inlet the water depth is as low as 15 to 20 feet. Out 3 miles it is only about 60 feet deep. So that 7 foot sea is a very short period swell- more like a chop. I was supposed to go striper fishing on a buddy's 28 Bertram and we decided no way due to the forecast. This guy is a seasoned canyon fisherman. Poor decision to sail in these conditions off this inlet. Rich
themclos	posted 11-17-2010 08:10 AM ET (US) Those Barnegat Light fishermen were not in the inlet when they capsized, they were outside the inlet, about half a mile away. They were drifting and came up on a bar and a wave broke over their boat sideways, flipping them. I believe the boat was towed in. I agree they should not have been out in these conditions. I was out on a 31' charter boat that Saturday fishing for stripers by Sandy Hook, NJ, which is about 70 miles north of Barnegat Light. Conditions were not comfortable at all. Seas were 7 to 10 ft, and I would not have taken my 22 Outrage out of the Raritan Bay. A number of party boats (65' to 85' long) stayed at the dock the day before, when the wind was really howling. Being a Saturday, you can only imagine the number of boats that were out. The craziest one was a guy fishing alone in a 13 foot Boston Whaler Sport. At least he was trolling, and not drifting. Also, for those not familiar with the area, the mouth of the Raritan is substantial, providing considerable room to navigate over the rollers. The 13 footer stayed away from Roamer Shoal, where you could surf on this day, but he did turn the corner and headed out front. Every now and then I would look over, and wait a few seconds for him to pop up on a swell. Dan Dan
vin1722or	posted 11-17-2010 11:25 AM ET (US) He is a friend of mine.He has been fishing barnegat inlet for 15 years.He tried to turn around on the face of a cresting wave and pitch poled over almost hitting another friend in his parker that was fihing next to him.They were fishing whitewater on the north bar and the waves were 4'-7' and cresting.Boat US destroyed the t-top,console and engine hood getting it uprite.He is rebuilding it to fish this weekend,he drained the outboard and had it running that night after he trailered it home.By the way he also recieved a bill for $3,800 for salvage from Boat us.
vin1722or	posted 11-17-2010 11:29 AM ET (US) themclos,it was not as bad in barnegat inlet sunday,it was fishable and the stripers love whitewater.That is why they were on the bar.The other 20-25 boats were fine.A mistake was made in judgement and he paid for it,that is all.
Tohsgib	posted 11-17-2010 11:41 AM ET (US) Yeah...he paid for it alright.
themclos	posted 11-17-2010 02:34 PM ET (US) vin1722or, Thanks for the additional information. Sounds like an expensive day on the water. Trust me, I am not looking to play backseat driver. I wouldn't have taken my old Montauk out, but those judgements are for each of us to make individually. Rather than say he (or anybody else for that matter) shouldn't have been out there, I should have said I wouldn't have gone. Stuff happens, even to the prepared and experienced. We were out from 6am until noon. I am told it was laying down as the day went on. So he is putting the boat back together so he can get out this weekend? You have to admire his passion. Dan
Tohsgib	posted 11-17-2010 03:24 PM ET (US) Vin did you mean the south bar? It gets pretty nasty and big real quick there. We used to surf it on surfboards. I have jumped those waves in my boat and actually hit bottom when landing. Great spot for Stripers but better be at the wheel and let someone else handle the rods. Friend's Dad filled up his Grady there in December one year the same way, luckily he was able to move away while the bilge pumps pumped her out. The north side is a jetty, is there a bar there now as well?
vin1722or	posted 11-19-2010 12:10 PM ET (US) They were on the north bar which is in the middle of the channel going out of the inlet.They were fishing the south bar and moved to the channel(north bar).
jimh	posted 11-20-2010 10:05 AM ET (US) This discussion that has followed actually contains much more information than the article whose hyperlink was the content of the first article in this thread and has since seen been deleted.
jimh	posted 11-20-2010 10:10 AM ET (US) With the crew safe ashore, what became of the Boston Whaler? We must have more news!
skinnywater	posted 11-20-2010 10:30 AM ET (US) quote: Boat US destroyed the t-top,console and engine hood getting it uprite.He is rebuilding it to fish this weekend,he drained the outboard and had it running that night after he trailered it home.By the way he also recieved a bill for $3,800 for salvage from Boat us.
jimh	posted 11-20-2010 11:17 AM ET (US) Ouch! The cost of fishing just went up considerably for that gentleman.
vin1722or	posted 11-20-2010 01:15 PM ET (US) Jim,The whaler is going to be fine but the t-top is gone.The omc 88 special outboard is running again.He is remounting the console so he can finish fishing this season.The boat itself is in greeat shape with some scrapeson the interior only.They lost 5 rods and reels worth over $3,000 and many items from the boat.The worst item lost was his wallet with $300 and all his ID's.It was an expensive day to say the least.I will get some pictures of the boat.