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bluewaterpirate posted 04-05-2011 03:42 PM ET (US)
Boat took water over the stern which in turn shorted out his battery he took another wave that swamped him. Boat was floating with its gunnels about 8 inches above the waves. The story goes it was pumped out new battery installed and the owner was back on the ocean fishing.
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/ 205116_10150149494921268_230851216267_7091235_4350995_n.jpg
Tom
JTC posted 04-05-2011 04:08 PM ET (US)
So would a submerged and shorted out battery actually stop a running engine? Or would it only prevent you from starting an engine that was stopped? If the latter is the case, it sounds like it would be a good safety measure to keep your motors running even when drifting.
What type of whaler was it?
bluewaterpirate posted 04-05-2011 04:20 PM ET (US)
No clue just saw the article on the Whaler Website.
L H G posted 04-05-2011 04:52 PM ET (US)
That seems to be some of the shortcomings of a post-classic Whaler. Looking at all of those models, I've never thought swamping safety, and battery protection, was anywhere near as good as the Dougherty hulls, properly rigged. A second generation Outrage, with standard cut transom, and batteries mounted in the stern splashwell per Whaler's instructioins, would not have that happen. The battery box top would be higher than the transom notch, so the battery terminals would not be underwater.
I know, I had it happen to me in my 1986 Outrage 18 while trolling offshore in the Atlantic on one engine. Took a 3' wave right over the top of the engines, filled up the boat with water to the transom notch. Turned the key to the other engine, it started right up, planed her off and dumped out the rest of the water, while the rest of the water drained out through the floor sump. And there were five adults on board, twin 300# engines, and batteries in the stern.
Another thing I have learned, since owning a full transom Outrage, is that they are not as safe in terms of a flooding. As opposed to the low cut transom of the standard model, the closed transom only has two 3" diameter pipes to let water out. It would take much, much longer. With a cut transom, it's impossible to fill the boat up to it's gunwales, but with a Whaler Drive model you could very easily.
themclos posted 04-05-2011 05:56 PM ET (US)
That looks like a 21 Walkaround from the early 1990's.
Still, pretty impressive to take on that water, get pumped out, a new battery and get back on his way fishing.
Many, if not most, brands of boats would have turtled.
I have a 1986 22 Outrage Cuddy with the low transom. I do a lot of drift fishing and slow trolling as well. I have taken to leaving my motor running, even when drifting, as the choppy type of water in the NY/NJ coastal area makes it pretty common for me to take water over the back.
I like to be prepared to gun the engine as needed to clear the deck of water. I seldom need to actually gun the engine, as the water that tends to come on deck usually just wets our feet and then runs back to the splashwell and rear sump, where it is dispensed.
Nonetheless, I am comfortable with my practice of keeping my motor running when on the ocean.
Dan
jimh posted 04-05-2011 05:58 PM ET (US)
A full transom works both ways in preventing movement of water. It might keep water in the cockpit from flowing out, but it also keeps water in the sea from flowing in. With a Boston Whaler boat with a full transom, water entering the cockpit must in the main come over the gunwales to get in.
Peter posted 04-05-2011 06:57 PM ET (US)
JTC -- I believe that the Optimax needs a battery to run at low engine speeds. If that is true, then the Optimax would probably stop running when the battery was shorted out.
Peter posted 04-05-2011 07:00 PM ET (US)
Another thought just came to me -- why couldn't the drain plug have been pulled? On the classic Whaler, pulling the drain plug would get the water out of the boat even with a dead motor.
Jefecinco posted 04-05-2011 07:38 PM ET (US)
When on a drift I keep the engine running at idle speed. This is on a 190 Montauk with a full transom and a Verado engine. This is done primarily to ensure I can quickly take control to avoid going aground or otherwise running into difficulties. Due to it's design I predict the Montauk will not shed water as rapidly as my old Dauntless 16 would have.
I've not yet tried the troll control feature of the SmartCraft gauge package but I plan to try it on my next outing. That feature should be particularly useful when approaching birds diving onto baitfish and maneuvering around the baitfish without disturbing the predators feeding beneath. We like to put those predators in the cooler.
Butch
bluewaterpirate posted 04-05-2011 09:44 PM ET (US)
Here's the link to the story.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/whalerownersclub
Tom
SJUAE posted 04-06-2011 04:04 PM ET (US)
L G H
The early to mid 2000 Outrages imporved the ability to remove or hold water especially the 210 Outrage as it lost it's head and so water trap. The batteries are moved to the console and has 4 drains which no doubt helped it get a class B rating along with a full height transom.
Regards
Steve
srec1 posted 04-06-2011 09:19 PM ET (US)
I Swamped my 94 19 foot outrage II a couple of years ago in the Straits of Mackinac with the help of an arnold line ferry. That boat was designed with the battery box in the center console above the swamped water line. full throttle and about 30 seconds later the self bailing deck had completely cleared.
flippa posted 04-08-2011 10:26 AM ET (US)
Optimax do not like to run when the batteries are under water.
I relocated the batteries to the center console to avoid such a problem on my Outrage 21.
Powergroove803 posted 04-08-2011 12:06 PM ET (US)
Is there any reason I should not locate my battery and 6 gallon gas tank in the center console together? It will be vented, but just wasnt sure about the spark danger.
Thanks!
TC posted 04-10-2011 07:38 AM ET (US)
A gas tank and battery together in the console? As my kids say, "really?". Bad idea.
Powergroove803 posted 04-11-2011 09:45 AM ET (US)
Thats what I thought, but I have seen this on sevral boats on this site and elsewhere so I started second guessing my own reasoning,
thanks! Seperate it is
Backlash posted 04-23-2011 10:30 AM ET (US)
Peter,
Another thought just came to me -- why couldn't the drain plug have been pulled? On the classic Whaler, pulling the drain plug would get the water out of the boat even with a dead motor.
The drain plug in the 21’ Walkaround is located in the bottom of the rear bilge sump and is a threaded plug. Looking at the picture of that 21’ Walkaround I would say the bilge sump is full of water as are the fish boxes. Pulling (unscrewing) the drain plug would have no effect on removing water from the boat and might even let more water in due to the weight of the water in the rear sump and fish boxes. Normally, the bilge pump would remove any water in the rear sump, but the boat would have to be underway to drain the fish boxes. The fish boxes will hold a surprising amount of water. The 21’s cockpit is self-bailing when underway and at rest, but they are definitely not as self-bailing as the classics.
Steve
JohnKaloper posted 04-24-2011 12:41 AM ET (US)
SJUAE Steve,
The post Dourgherty 94-98 24' Outrage also has the ability to loose plenty of water in a hurry, if needed. My 24 Outrage is equiped without transom door so its wide open coming in and going out. At 8,500 lbs swamped capacity I doubt if enough water could be shipped aboard to render it unstable prior to the water existing out the stern. Anyone agree?
John
http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/aa100/aquajk/?action=view& current=IMG_0825Small.jpg
ledfoot posted 04-26-2011 10:21 PM ET (US)
I agree with Steve, as a former owner of a 21' Walkaround, I can say that the fishboxes hold quite a bit of water. Definitely a challenge when it came to "self-bailing".

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bluewaterpirate	posted 04-05-2011 03:42 PM ET (US) Boat took water over the stern which in turn shorted out his battery he took another wave that swamped him. Boat was floating with its gunnels about 8 inches above the waves. The story goes it was pumped out new battery installed and the owner was back on the ocean fishing. http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/ 205116_10150149494921268_230851216267_7091235_4350995_n.jpg Tom
JTC	posted 04-05-2011 04:08 PM ET (US) So would a submerged and shorted out battery actually stop a running engine? Or would it only prevent you from starting an engine that was stopped? If the latter is the case, it sounds like it would be a good safety measure to keep your motors running even when drifting. What type of whaler was it?
bluewaterpirate	posted 04-05-2011 04:20 PM ET (US) No clue just saw the article on the Whaler Website.
L H G	posted 04-05-2011 04:52 PM ET (US) That seems to be some of the shortcomings of a post-classic Whaler. Looking at all of those models, I've never thought swamping safety, and battery protection, was anywhere near as good as the Dougherty hulls, properly rigged. A second generation Outrage, with standard cut transom, and batteries mounted in the stern splashwell per Whaler's instructioins, would not have that happen. The battery box top would be higher than the transom notch, so the battery terminals would not be underwater. I know, I had it happen to me in my 1986 Outrage 18 while trolling offshore in the Atlantic on one engine. Took a 3' wave right over the top of the engines, filled up the boat with water to the transom notch. Turned the key to the other engine, it started right up, planed her off and dumped out the rest of the water, while the rest of the water drained out through the floor sump. And there were five adults on board, twin 300# engines, and batteries in the stern. Another thing I have learned, since owning a full transom Outrage, is that they are not as safe in terms of a flooding. As opposed to the low cut transom of the standard model, the closed transom only has two 3" diameter pipes to let water out. It would take much, much longer. With a cut transom, it's impossible to fill the boat up to it's gunwales, but with a Whaler Drive model you could very easily.
themclos	posted 04-05-2011 05:56 PM ET (US) That looks like a 21 Walkaround from the early 1990's. Still, pretty impressive to take on that water, get pumped out, a new battery and get back on his way fishing. Many, if not most, brands of boats would have turtled. I have a 1986 22 Outrage Cuddy with the low transom. I do a lot of drift fishing and slow trolling as well. I have taken to leaving my motor running, even when drifting, as the choppy type of water in the NY/NJ coastal area makes it pretty common for me to take water over the back. I like to be prepared to gun the engine as needed to clear the deck of water. I seldom need to actually gun the engine, as the water that tends to come on deck usually just wets our feet and then runs back to the splashwell and rear sump, where it is dispensed. Nonetheless, I am comfortable with my practice of keeping my motor running when on the ocean. Dan
jimh	posted 04-05-2011 05:58 PM ET (US) A full transom works both ways in preventing movement of water. It might keep water in the cockpit from flowing out, but it also keeps water in the sea from flowing in. With a Boston Whaler boat with a full transom, water entering the cockpit must in the main come over the gunwales to get in.
Peter	posted 04-05-2011 06:57 PM ET (US) JTC -- I believe that the Optimax needs a battery to run at low engine speeds. If that is true, then the Optimax would probably stop running when the battery was shorted out.
Peter	posted 04-05-2011 07:00 PM ET (US) Another thought just came to me -- why couldn't the drain plug have been pulled? On the classic Whaler, pulling the drain plug would get the water out of the boat even with a dead motor.
Jefecinco	posted 04-05-2011 07:38 PM ET (US) When on a drift I keep the engine running at idle speed. This is on a 190 Montauk with a full transom and a Verado engine. This is done primarily to ensure I can quickly take control to avoid going aground or otherwise running into difficulties. Due to it's design I predict the Montauk will not shed water as rapidly as my old Dauntless 16 would have. I've not yet tried the troll control feature of the SmartCraft gauge package but I plan to try it on my next outing. That feature should be particularly useful when approaching birds diving onto baitfish and maneuvering around the baitfish without disturbing the predators feeding beneath. We like to put those predators in the cooler. Butch
bluewaterpirate	posted 04-05-2011 09:44 PM ET (US) Here's the link to the story. http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/whalerownersclub Tom
SJUAE	posted 04-06-2011 04:04 PM ET (US) L G H The early to mid 2000 Outrages imporved the ability to remove or hold water especially the 210 Outrage as it lost it's head and so water trap. The batteries are moved to the console and has 4 drains which no doubt helped it get a class B rating along with a full height transom. Regards Steve
srec1	posted 04-06-2011 09:19 PM ET (US) I Swamped my 94 19 foot outrage II a couple of years ago in the Straits of Mackinac with the help of an arnold line ferry. That boat was designed with the battery box in the center console above the swamped water line. full throttle and about 30 seconds later the self bailing deck had completely cleared.
flippa	posted 04-08-2011 10:26 AM ET (US) Optimax do not like to run when the batteries are under water. I relocated the batteries to the center console to avoid such a problem on my Outrage 21.
Powergroove803	posted 04-08-2011 12:06 PM ET (US) Is there any reason I should not locate my battery and 6 gallon gas tank in the center console together? It will be vented, but just wasnt sure about the spark danger. Thanks!
TC	posted 04-10-2011 07:38 AM ET (US) A gas tank and battery together in the console? As my kids say, "really?". Bad idea.
Powergroove803	posted 04-11-2011 09:45 AM ET (US) Thats what I thought, but I have seen this on sevral boats on this site and elsewhere so I started second guessing my own reasoning, thanks! Seperate it is
Backlash	posted 04-23-2011 10:30 AM ET (US) Peter, Another thought just came to me -- why couldn't the drain plug have been pulled? On the classic Whaler, pulling the drain plug would get the water out of the boat even with a dead motor. The drain plug in the 21’ Walkaround is located in the bottom of the rear bilge sump and is a threaded plug. Looking at the picture of that 21’ Walkaround I would say the bilge sump is full of water as are the fish boxes. Pulling (unscrewing) the drain plug would have no effect on removing water from the boat and might even let more water in due to the weight of the water in the rear sump and fish boxes. Normally, the bilge pump would remove any water in the rear sump, but the boat would have to be underway to drain the fish boxes. The fish boxes will hold a surprising amount of water. The 21’s cockpit is self-bailing when underway and at rest, but they are definitely not as self-bailing as the classics. Steve
JohnKaloper	posted 04-24-2011 12:41 AM ET (US) SJUAE Steve, The post Dourgherty 94-98 24' Outrage also has the ability to loose plenty of water in a hurry, if needed. My 24 Outrage is equiped without transom door so its wide open coming in and going out. At 8,500 lbs swamped capacity I doubt if enough water could be shipped aboard to render it unstable prior to the water existing out the stern. Anyone agree? John http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/aa100/aquajk/?action=view& current=IMG_0825Small.jpg
ledfoot	posted 04-26-2011 10:21 PM ET (US) I agree with Steve, as a former owner of a 21' Walkaround, I can say that the fishboxes hold quite a bit of water. Definitely a challenge when it came to "self-bailing".