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Tom W Clark posted 07-05-2011 02:11 PM ET (US)   Profile for Tom W Clark   Send Email to Tom W Clark  
The holiday weekend saw fabulous weather here in Seattle. Yesterday My wife and I headed over to our place on Bainbridge Island for the afternoon. I took this opportunity to test my new GoPro Hero HD camera.

This is the first video I have taken with it and I am very impressed with the results. The camera was clamped to the masthead just below the 360 degree all-round white light.

This is also my first attempt to upload a video to YouTube.

The footage is dull and uneventful but it is good demonstration of the capabilities of the GoPro HD Hero. This camera is designed for action so the sound is not suitable for recording conversation but can record engine sound at speed in extremely high wind conditions.

It is also waterproof and I intend to use in a number of "wet" applications including bolting it to a trim tab on my boat to try to capture some close-up footage of my lower units at speed.

The variety of mountings available makes this camera useful in almost any application. My RADAR arch serves as an excellent camera mount and I will take it with me the next time I go fishing.

The best mount for use in a Whaler is (I think) the optional Handlebar/Seatpost Mount, which costs about $20. This would allow the camera to be clamped to any rail, light pole, tow bar or RADAR arch.

While not a complete Luddite, video and photography is not my forte. I still found it remarkably easy to use this camera and download, edit and upload the video. On my iMac, I just plugged the camera in with a USB cable and the video is downloaded into iTunes. Using iMovie I very easily edited this video by cutting out enough to size it down to the YouTube limits for length. I did not need to buy any additional editing software which makes this camera very economical to own and use.

I expect to bring some more interesting video from my Whaler in the near future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpNJEEz0kTg

jimh posted 07-05-2011 02:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Nice video--although I haven't see all of it.

Holy Cow--the wide angle lens has some persective distortion. I thought you were going to ram that big trawler's dingy as you made the turn into the fairway from your dock.

lizard posted 07-05-2011 03:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for lizard  Send Email to lizard     
The Go Pro has revolutionized surfing videos, motorcycle jumping footage, skiing, you name it.

The limitations are:
1) No view finder. A complaint I have with many point and shoot digital cameras. Only my Canon Rebel digital SLR, still has a view finder.
2) Inability to edit on the camera.

Costco was selling a base model a few months back, I don't know if they still have it. There are variations on the base model, for your application, ie: helmet, railing, surfing, etc.

Thanks for sharing your video, Tom.

bluewaterpirate posted 07-05-2011 03:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
Nice video .......

I use the Go Pro Hero HD and the Contour HD. Both cameras are good. Ihave adapted both cameras for underwater use.

Here's a few slide shows of the both cameras and mounting options.

Contour HD with underwater housing.

http://s676.photobucket.com/albums/vv129/bluewaterpirate/Contour%20HD/?albumview=slideshow

Go Pro Hero HD with housing/mounting options ......

http://s676.photobucket.com/albums/vv129/bluewaterpirate/ Go%20Pro%20Camera/?albumview=slideshow

Both cameras can use 32 GB mini/SD cards.

Comparison ...... you can see how I have mine mounted for under water use.

http://s676.photobucket.com/albums/vv129/bluewaterpirate/ Go%20Pro%20vs%20Contour%20HD/?albumview=slideshow


Here's my first attempt shooting underwater video with my Go Pro Hero. The camera was attached to our 2nd gaff. Fishing from a friends boat.

http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/5106277_5839669

These cameras offer mnay mounting options and im my humble opinion alot of bang for your buck.

Tom


bluewaterpirate posted 07-05-2011 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
The Go Pro has a view finder add on ......

http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv129/bluewaterpirate/ Go%20Pro%20Camera/55.jpg?t=1308268491

You can fast forward or rewind using the LCD add on for your viewing and pointing pleasure.

http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv129/bluewaterpirate/ Go%20Pro%20Camera/56.jpg?t=1308268505

Tom

tjxtreme posted 07-05-2011 04:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for tjxtreme    
That is cool. I wonder if you can add an extension (forward or upward) so that the bimini is a smaller percent of the frame.
daveweight posted 07-05-2011 05:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for daveweight  Send Email to daveweight     
Hi Tom
Just a bit more picturesque than the Thames then. Nice area and a nice video.
Dave Weight
kwik_wurk posted 07-05-2011 05:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for kwik_wurk  Send Email to kwik_wurk     
Hey that was an awesome feed. Good to see shilshoal, and Agate pass. Almost getting homesick.

(I use to work in Winslow, but office moved to Poulsbo. And I use to commute from Elliot Bay Marina to Winslow on the Montauk. Those were good days.)

Camera is quite impressive, I think I'll get one myself. Except I'll point it at the decks when I am trolling. (I hope the battery life can be extended somehow.)

Binkster posted 07-05-2011 06:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Binkster  Send Email to Binkster     
Very nice video, although I was a bit dismayed when that small boat on your port side wanted to cross your path and you just steamed right on. Eventually,(good thing) he slowed to avoid an eminent collision. See my Rules Of The Road below.
(Boats Crossing – A power boat crossing the path of another power boat must surrender right of way to the boat approaching
on her left or port side. The first boat shows her red port light indicating a “go” zone to the boat on her right
which is showing her green starboard light indicating a “danger” zone. The first boat must slow her speed, stop, reverse, or turn away
from the second boat to avoid collision)

That and crossing on the wrong side of most of the markers, and running way to slow for sea conditions, you did a fairly good job. (Wait, sorry, was your wife driving?);-0 )

Waterwonderland posted 07-05-2011 07:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Waterwonderland  Send Email to Waterwonderland     
Nice video.

The higher mounting provides a good feel of boating.

Thanks for sharing.

WT posted 07-05-2011 07:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Tom had the right of way as the stand-on vessel.

http://www.boatus.com/foundation/guide/navigation_7.html

Thanks for the heads up on the waterproof cameras.

Warren

andygere posted 07-05-2011 07:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Nice video Tom. You will have a lot of fun with your GoPro, and I like your thoughts on using it to help optimize performance of your boat.

For posting video online, I use Vimeo. I've been able to upload directly from iMovie without having to reduce size or resolution, although that may simply be a function of the length of my films. They don't seem to be as concerned about the music I use for my soundtracks as YouTube does.

jimp posted 07-05-2011 08:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimp  Send Email to jimp     
Nice, Tom!

Who couldn't steer straight coming out of the harbor? Must have been you driving as I have faith in Kate's abilities at the helm.

Looks like you were going a million miles an hour!

And take that bimini down! It traps too much noise. We also want to see who's driving.

Jim

Buckda posted 07-05-2011 08:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Hi Tom -

Thanks for sharing - I enjoyed the "virtual" boat ride in the PNW and it makes me look forward to a future trip in that area with my boat!

Dave

pcrussell50 posted 07-05-2011 10:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for pcrussell50  Send Email to pcrussell50     
Beautiful setup, having island property to visit and all.

At the end of the vid, it looked like you dropped anchor. Do you have a launch, or did you wade the 50degF'ish water?

-Peter

Tom W Clark posted 07-06-2011 12:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Peter -- We moor to a mooring buoy. It is visible in the approach with a 12' Lund skiff on it. We row the Lund to shore and use a Seitech dolly to drag it up the beach.

Dave Buckalew -- You should really make the trip at least once in your life and head up to British Columbia in your boat as Larry and Jim have done. I'll be in Desolation Sound in late August. Can't wait.

Jim Potdevin -- Actually, Kate and I were trading at the helm while managing RANGER, our Alsatian Boat Hound. That big yacht with the tender alongside is also named RANGER. I think our dog likes that.

I am also in the habit of motoring out from our slip to the "fairway" on one motor and just before making the turn starting the other motor, putting it in gear and shutting off the first (now warmed up) motor. If I switch from starboard to port (as I did on the 4th) the boat oversteers during the transition. How's that for an excuse ;-) Really, we did not come close to that tender at all, the camera does bring a distorted perspective as JimH notes.

Andy -- I did upload directly from YouTube from iMovie and I not have to reduce resolution but I did need to limit the length of the HD to 15 minutes. I will check out Vimeo nonetheless.

Dave Weight -- You and Chris should pay a visit. I'll return the favors shown me when I visited you guys in England. You would love it out here.

Yes, the Mills Flying Top blocks a good portion of the view but hey, it was my first video. The reality is that the flying top NEVER comes down nor does the windshield it supports. This is Puget Sound and it is never really hot and when it does get hot, I need the shade.

Yes, putting the camera higher might be better though it does well when it is securely attached to the vehicle so it doesn't giggle around. My masthead light is about 9 feet above water level and I think that gives the camera a good perspective. It could be mounted on the bow pulpit just as easily but there would be a great deal more vertical movement in the camera and it would not be as high above the waterline. Having some of the boat in the frame gives a better sense of what is happening too.

Tom W Clark posted 07-06-2011 01:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Rich -- Really? You too? I am always amazed how many idiot boaters do not have the most basic understanding the of rules of the road. I guess you demonstrate how having years and years of experience does not necessarily mean you know anything.

Whether you are driving a car, operating a boat or flying a plane, in general, you yield to the right. It doesn't even matter where in Earth you are, this is a very simple and universal rule.

The first thing I do as I round the breakwater at Shilshole is immediately start scanning the area for traffic and try to get an idea of what everybody is doing and where they are all going. I picked up that runabout (visible at about 2:40) on a collision course very early on and I knew one of three things would happen:

- He would see me and make a slight course change and pass astern of me, or accelerate and pass ahead; either of which is fine by me as his wake won't interfere with me and mine won't interfere with him. I am maintaining my course and speed so it is clear to him what my intentions are.

- He would see me and not know that he needed to yield the right-of-way to me or, worse yet, think he has the right-of-way.

- He would not see me until the last minute and then yield. I am sure this is what happened here; as I was watching him, trying to figure out what he was doing, he was staring straight ahead so he would not run into anything. It was not until I entered his field of vision very clearly that he realized he needed to do something. He decided to pull back his throttle.

This happens all the time on the Sound. It is actually more common for this to happen when I am retuning to Shilshole because folks running outside the marina watch the marina and the traffic coming in and out but they do not scan the Sound outside as much for traffic coming in. Or they do not scan at all. Staring straight ahead will not prevent collisions on the water, you must maintain a 360 degree watch at all times.

WT posted 07-06-2011 03:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Tom, how fast were you going? From the marina entrance to the red buoy in Agate Passage is about 7.5 miles. It took 9 minutes which means you were going about 50 mph?

There was a slight break in the video, so maybe mid to high forties MPH? It did look like you where covering some ground pretty quickly.

Warren

Newtauk1 posted 07-06-2011 04:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1  Send Email to Newtauk1     
Nice video. Your navigation was correct as well.

There is no inherent Right of Way, rather Stand-On and Give-Way Vessels.

You were the Stand--On Vessel in this situation(Two power boats crossing on Inland waters). When two power boats cross, the vessel on the Starboard side is the Stand-On Vessel. The stand-on Vessel should maintain speed and course. The Give-Way Vessel should alter it's course by speed and or course. Pretty simple and safe.

jimh posted 07-06-2011 07:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I also noticed the vessel approaching Tom's in a crossing situation. The applicable rule governing this situation is RULE 15:

Steering and Sailing Rules
Conduct of Vessels in Sight of One Another
RULE 15

When two power-driven vessels are crossing so as to involve risk of collision, the vessel which has the other on her own starboard side shall keep out of the way and shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, avoid crossing ahead of the other vessel.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=Rule1415

Several mistakes have been made in this discussion already concerning this rule. There is no mention of "stand on" or "give way." Those terms may have been used in the past, but they are no longer mentioned. No vessel is required or encouraged to maintain its course. Also, the proper action for the vessel which is to keep out of the way is to alter her course to pass astern of the other vessel, and crossing ahead of the other vessel is explicitly mentioned to be avoided.

It has been my experience lately that operators of smaller power-driven vessels moving at high speeds apparently have no knowledge of this rule. Boats on a crossing situation approaching me on my Port side have lately just about universally not altered their course and have crossed in front of me, usually much too close for comfort, and caused me to alter my course and speed to avoid a collision. In watching Tom's video I saw an all-too-familiar situation developing.

jimh posted 07-06-2011 08:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Back to the GoPro camera. When used underwater by being held overboard from above by a pole in its water-tight case, there is a switch or setting on the camera which will invert the video top-to-bottom. This will save you time in editing as you won't have to flip the video in the editor.
bluewaterpirate posted 07-06-2011 09:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
One thing I learned in regards to rules of the road ..... is when making a course change to avoid an potentially extremis situation make it a bold one so there is no doubt in the others captains mind what your intentions are.
gnr posted 07-06-2011 09:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for gnr    
Hey!

My boat dog is named Ranger too.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh299/GRGO/IMG_0701.jpg

Tom W Clark posted 07-06-2011 10:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Ranger seems to be a very popular dog and boat name. Ours came to us as a five year old from the NW German Shepherd Rescue with this name. I was cool to the name at first but, of course, now I cannot imagine him being called anything else.

http://home.comcast.net/~tomwclark/Ranger_Goes_Boating.jpg

Tom W Clark posted 07-06-2011 10:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Warren -- I cut about 4 minutes out of the video so I could upload it to YouTube. Our cruise speed is about 35 mph (30 knots).
Tom W Clark posted 07-06-2011 10:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
"Stand-on", "give-way" and "right-of-way" are all contemporary and appropriate terms when discussing boat navigation, whether or not they are mentioned in Rule 15.

It is important to maintain course and speed so the other boater will know what you are doing. Changing course and speed as two boats approach one another will only lead to confusion and mistakes.

Really, this is all very basic seamanship and common courtesy.

towboater posted 07-06-2011 10:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for towboater  Send Email to towboater     
Beautiful day on the Sound early July is fairly rare, nice vid.

Crossing situation, layman terms:

If you can see a crossing vessels red light (day or night), you need to give way.
If you see green, you have the right of way.

Most important.
Any time you are in a crossing or passing situation and you need to change course or speed, make a early and substantial change that cannot be mistaken for anything else.
Again.
Early and substantial.

You will find the passing vessel will recognize your intentions and respond appropriatly, quickly, and wave in respect and appreciation as you pass.

mkj


Newtauk1 posted 07-06-2011 10:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Newtauk1  Send Email to Newtauk1     
Stand-On and Give-Way are the terms used in and taught by the United States Power Squadrons American Boating Course in 2009. If the terms have changed can someone site specifically where the terms have been deleted not omitted?
martyn1075 posted 07-06-2011 10:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
Yes very common terminology for sure, BUT as you said he probably didn't know the rule and thought he may or may not be the boat that should have the right away. Also not giving him an excuse either we all should know what's going on out there. I think it may be easier to day dream and become locked into a straight mode then some can imagine and this may have been a possibility as well.

Its such a big ocean out there even in a relatively small bay but it seems at times more dangerous then a road way for some. Many times I have had to pull back even though I have had the right of way because my gut feeling tells me they are not really in control like the person you encountered that day. Although we are right at times I still think that safety is first if I have to slow down or even stop or alter my route which is not best for the old gas tank I just do it. In your situation you clearly felt you were in control and proceeded and there is nothing wrong with that imo.

I like the camera does it have an ability to be mounted on a swivel mount perhaps one that can be activated by a remote? I am thinking of about a hundred and one ideas that it could be used for if so.

Binkster posted 07-06-2011 11:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Binkster  Send Email to Binkster     
Sorry, Tom, I wasn`t trying to derail your thread with that rules of the road nonsence. I'd like to get that camera myself.
litnin posted 07-06-2011 12:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for litnin  Send Email to litnin     
I just completed the boating course in North Carolina with my 14 and 12 year old boys as they were required to do so in order to operate the boat and for me to get a discount on my insurance. The terms "stand-on" and "give-way" were used throughout the course and were included in the course handbook. Thanks a lot guys...now I have camera envy.
Chris
jimh posted 07-06-2011 12:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The text of RULE 15 that I cited is accurate and makes no mention of "right of way," "stand on" or "give way" in terms of the conduct of vessels. The U.S. Power Squadron, a fraternal and educational organization, may use other terms, but the COLREGS do not use the three terms mentioned above, and it is the COLREGS which have authority.

As I recall, and without undertaking a long search into legal archives, there used to be such language in some navigation rules. The current rules are the ones in effect, and they're the rules that apply to conduct of vessels in sight of one another.

There is no notion in the rules that any vessel is relieved of taking action to avoid collision. If the other vessel doesn't alter course, you still have to alter course to avoid collision.

It is very prudent in any encounter with another vessel to make clear and obvious alterations of course. Subtle course and speed changes have led to many collisions, often assisted by RADAR and other enhancements. The collision between the STOCKHOLM and ANDREA DORIA comes to mind. In fact, not only are clear and obvious course changes a good idea, as some suggest, they are mandatory under the rules. Here is the applicable rule, with emphasis added:

----------------------------------------------------

RULE 8: ACTION TO AVOID COLLISION

(a)Any action taken to avoid collision shall be taken in accordance with the Rules of this Part and shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, be positive, made in ample time and with due regard to the observance of good seamanship.

(b)Any alteration of course and/or speed to avoid collision shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, be large enough to be readily apparent to another vessel observing visually or by radar; a succession of small alterations of course and/or speed should be avoided.

Cite: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=Rule08

Owtrayj25 posted 07-06-2011 01:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Owtrayj25  Send Email to Owtrayj25     
The terms "Stand On", "right of way," and "give way" have historically been used by many authorities in teaching the rules of seamanship, including the U.S. Coast Guard Auxiliary. They seem self explanatory to most, and even use common road nomenclature such as "right of way" to aide the layman in understanding navigation rules. However, it seems we must be more declarative and wordy in our descriptions now using phrases like "...shall keep out of the way..." in place of "give way" invariably because some moron pleaded before a judge that after he plowed into another boat, he did not know what "give way" meant. Most all doubt has been removed in restating "give way" to "shall keep out of the way". Wonder when we will start seeing navigation aid markers in Spanish.....
Perry posted 07-06-2011 01:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
Tom thanks for sharing the video, I really enjoyed it. Now to convince my wife we should buy property up there. It makes me wonder what a beachfront home costs.

It looked like a beautiful day. What was the temperature there on the 4th of July?

kmev posted 07-06-2011 02:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for kmev  Send Email to kmev     
Great video, Tom.

If you get confused as to who has right-of-way in a crossing situation simply ask yourself "which color navigation light do I see?". Red = stop, green = go, and either stand on of give way as appropriate.

Common sense is the rule, and always assume the other boat doesn't have any.

Chriscz posted 07-06-2011 10:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chriscz  Send Email to Chriscz     
Tom,
I have a go pro camera as well and am enjoying experimenting with it. It works very well underwater, so I expect you will get some interesting trim tab footage. There is an aftermarket housing which eliminates the peripheral distortion as well. The high resolution on these cameras is amazing.
Kencvit posted 07-07-2011 12:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Kencvit  Send Email to Kencvit     
Interesting to note the above comments of Bluewaterpirate & Towboater (professional mariners).

Straightforward clear explanations and advise...always

Thank you.

jimh posted 07-07-2011 09:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Owtrayj25 comments above about the wording of the COLREGS as being dumbed down and altered due to legal loopholes, but I disagree. The present wording is clear and well phrased, in my opinion, and if changes were made they were most likely made to eliminate the notion of special rights for certain vessels to not change course in encounters with other vessels. There is no sense of "right of way" in the current rules, and previous use of that term probably instilled a false notion in many boaters that they were not obligated to change course to avoid a collision. The use of "stand-on vessel" also probably tended to reinforce the notion that no change of course would be needed to avoid a collision. I suspect that the current wording of the COLREGS was chosen to avoid the creation of any false impression of special rights or relief from obligation to change course.

I have noticed that the wording of the actual rules is often much simpler and certainly much shorter than the interpretations and explanations that are offered as aids in understanding the rules. In my mind, the best source of information on the navigation rules is the actual rule themselves. They are concise and written in a simple style.

I think the camera's lens in Tom's video has a wide angle, but the approach of that other boat on a crossing course was scary. He should have altered his course and speed much sooner than he did.

bluewaterpirate posted 07-07-2011 10:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
For those who boat in an area where inland/international rules of the road apply, remember there is a difference in what whistle signals mean. In Inland Rules whistle signals are proposals then executed when asnwered by the other vessel, where as in International Rules whistle signals are immediately executed no concurrence from the other vessel is necessary.

Here's the explantion.

http://www.dbw.ca.gov/Pubs/Abc/inland.pdf

You change from inland to international rules of the road when you pass seaward or inshore of the Colregs Demarcation Line as displayed on your charts.

http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv129/bluewaterpirate/ Homeport%202010/Colregs.jpg?t=1310047099

The GoPro and Contour cameras are great. Look for some more software modifications to both cameras in the near future.

GoPro on the Pamilco Sound. The camera was mounted on my fore head using the helmet strap mount.

http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/5106277_5775964


Tom

elaelap posted 07-07-2011 12:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Burdened, privileged, stand-on, vessel-with-the-right-of-way, give way vessel, etc. These terms were used interchangeably by instructors in the USCG-licensed class I took prior to sitting for my master's license exam four years ago. As long as one gets the critically basic concept, I really don't think terminology is all that important. An interesting note about this particular "rule of the road": the large majority of smaller, non-center console vessels are constructed with their helms to starboard, just to make it more efficient to view the vessels' starboard-side "danger zone" in crossing situations.

Great little video, Tom, but it gave me a touch of mal de mer sitting in front of my computer. Wish I had been there.

Tony

jimh posted 07-07-2011 12:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Interesting point on the helm location to Starboard. It makes good sense.
Fishcop posted 07-07-2011 09:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Fishcop  Send Email to Fishcop     
Tom--Very cool video. Seeing your 25-footer glide across the wakes makes me miss mine even more! We have some camera stuff on the big boat and I will try to get it uploaded here also. Thanks for sharing with us.

Andy

bluewaterpirate posted 07-08-2011 12:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for bluewaterpirate  Send Email to bluewaterpirate     
GoPro embedded inside the dredge used to tease fish into the spread. Some good video .....

http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/5106277_5844624

Enjoy .....

Tom

Waterwonderland posted 07-08-2011 01:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Waterwonderland  Send Email to Waterwonderland     
Tom (Bluewaterpirate),
Great, great video! Enjoy I did.
Thanks for sharing.
daveweight posted 07-08-2011 04:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for daveweight  Send Email to daveweight     
Tom
Sounds good to me, as it happens we are hosting 5 members of my wifes family who live in Seattle for the London Olympics next year so we could sort out a reciprocal holiday at some stage in the future.
Dave Weight

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