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pcrussell50 posted 07-11-2011 02:18 AM ET (US)   Profile for pcrussell50   Send Email to pcrussell50  
The theme continues. There was a thread over in the performance section about repowering with an E-TEC. Some disjointed advice was given about comparison shopping versus shopping local. What I am looking for now is _specifically_, a list of online outboard dealers where I can comparison shop prices for Evinrude E-TEC motors. I already have Ed's Marine Superstore, and have been looking hard at them. But I have little else to compare to.

-Peter

seahorse posted 07-11-2011 07:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for seahorse  Send Email to seahorse     
I do not believe that Ed's is an authorized Evinrude dealer as I understand that he lost that franchise over a year ago.

Any Evinrude you by from a non-authorized source may have problems with warranty registration. Call Evinrude customer service and ask about that and about Ed's. 847-689-7090

Owtrayj25 posted 07-11-2011 08:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for Owtrayj25  Send Email to Owtrayj25     
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Any Evinrude you by from a non-authorized source may have problems with warranty registration.

How would buying from Ed's Marine Superstore differ from buying a 2 or 3 year old second hand engine within the factory warranty? I have heard this argument before, but it doesn't make much sense...Buy a new engine from Ed's and receive NO factory warranty vs buy a 3 year old used engine with, say, 3-400 hours and have a valid warranty. Has anyone been refused warranty service after purchasing from Ed's? It would seem to me that the Very most, a warranty from Ed's would be pro-rated. It would be nice to hear directly from an authority at Evinrude on this issue.

Waterwonderland posted 07-11-2011 08:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Waterwonderland  Send Email to Waterwonderland     
Peter,

Why are you looking at an E-TEC? I thought you loved your Looper:)

jimh posted 07-11-2011 08:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Some dealers have listed the price of their outboard motors on-line. You can use these prices to do some comparison shopping for a new E-TEC. One dealer with on-line prices is provided in the link below:

http://lockemans.com/new-evinrude-detroit.html

It is often difficult to make head-to-head comparison of prices because listed prices often include many other parts and services other than just the outboard motor. For example, one deal may include the necessary rigging components, a propeller, installation, and initial set-up and commissioning of the motor, while another might just give a low price on only the motor.

seahorse posted 07-11-2011 08:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for seahorse  Send Email to seahorse     

quote:

It would be nice to hear directly from an authority at Evinrude on this issue.

call 847-689-7090

Owtrayj25 posted 07-11-2011 09:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Owtrayj25  Send Email to Owtrayj25     
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call 847-689-7090

I did not find this advice particularly helpful. I have called 2 times now, each time only to be placed on hold for approximately 21 minutes, and then have the call abruptly terminated. As I said, it would be nice to hear from Evinrude on this topic.

Where I could see some potential problems is with the installation, rigging and initial programming/set-up of a new engine purchased from Ed's. I think it would be reasonable to exclude a warranty claim for an engine that was not installed by an authorized Evinrude dealer.

andygere posted 07-11-2011 11:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
I rigged and installed my own E-TEC and had it commissioned by an authorized Evinrude service center. I have had warranty service done without any problems. Although I chose to use an authorized service center to check my rigging and do initial start-up, the warranty registration was handled by the dealer who sold the motor when the motor shipped.
pcrussell50 posted 07-11-2011 11:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for pcrussell50  Send Email to pcrussell50     
Not to defend Ed's as I know nothing about them, but if they are not an authorized dealer, they must still have some kind of relationship with Evinrude if they are able to get motors cheap enough to sell them cheap.

Wonderland! LOL. You know I'm a crossflow lover, not looper. And I would never in a million years, voluntarily contribute to consumerism and abandon my recyclers ethos, by buying a new motor, (or anything else), when they are just as good, used. I am being driven to this by a bumbling giant a la, "Of Mice and Men". And we are the mouse. :)

-Peter

pcrussell50 posted 07-11-2011 02:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for pcrussell50  Send Email to pcrussell50     
Looking at Lockemans, thanks Jim. For some reason, they appear to be charging $116 more for a white one than the blue one. Is there a reason for that? Does the white one have more salt water resistance or something?

-Peter

Buckda posted 07-11-2011 04:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
White= more expensive paint and a SS steering arm
Blue= less expensive paint and a standard steel steering arm.
contender posted 07-11-2011 05:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for contender  Send Email to contender     
Try, Custom Marine Statesborg Ga.
L H G posted 07-11-2011 07:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
I have seen Evinrudes priced very competitively at Dusky Marine in Ft Lauderdale, a boat builder, and I believe they will ship anywhere also. Try their website.
Whalrman posted 07-11-2011 08:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalrman  Send Email to Whalrman     
Both white and blue have the Stainless Steering arm.
pcrussell50 posted 07-14-2011 12:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for pcrussell50  Send Email to pcrussell50     
I emailed Ed's Marine Superstore 3 days ago, (today is the start of the fourth), asking about how they activate the warranty on new E-TEC motors. I have heard nothing so far. No timely answer to a simple question is an indicator, (in my experience), of shady dealings. I'm not fully jumping to that conclusion yet. I will try emailing them again and report back.

-Peter

Owtrayj25 posted 07-14-2011 01:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Owtrayj25  Send Email to Owtrayj25     
I e-mailed Ed's regarding their warranty on Evinrude engines and had a response back in 15 minutes. 3 years. Did not ask how it was activated though.
pcrussell50 posted 07-14-2011 01:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for pcrussell50  Send Email to pcrussell50     
Good news. I will try them again. Their prices are so good, I was hoping it was just an oversight on their part. Thanks.

-Peter

Tohsgib posted 07-15-2011 10:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Their pices are Ok. I can beat any of their prices locally in FL. You should be able to as well.
pcrussell50 posted 07-15-2011 01:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for pcrussell50  Send Email to pcrussell50     
Nick, I may get with you for some help on that matter in a few months. I still have a year and a half to keep using my crossflows. But I'm also not the type to get caught unprepared, and I'd probably like to get a relationship estabilished with a dealer in advance of purchase.

-Peter

andygere posted 07-15-2011 03:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Call Custom Marine Statesboro, GA and speak with Will Massey. You will get the straight deal on price, warranty, etc. Will was excellent to work with on my purchase regarding shipping, payment, warranty, etc. I'd buy from him again.

Note that Ed's has a reputation for building the value of factory incentives into the published price for loose motors. No confirmation on that other than what I've read on the forums, but check it out carefully.

pcrussell50 posted 07-15-2011 03:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for pcrussell50  Send Email to pcrussell50     
What do you mean by "loose"? As in, loose tolerances you might get from the end of a production batch? Or loose, as in collected extra inventory from low volume retailers, who don't want to store motors they don't sell right away?

-Peter

pcrussell50 posted 07-15-2011 03:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for pcrussell50  Send Email to pcrussell50     
Oh yeah, not to defend Ed's in any way, because I know nothing about them, but they do state clearly in their ad copy that the prices shown DO include all known rebates and incentives. I don't feel tricked by that.

-Peter

Buckda posted 07-15-2011 08:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
A "loose" motor is what you're trying to acquire - vs. one that is "tied" to a boat package. The vast majority of motors manufactured already have a transom assigned to them when they leave the factory.

This is how Mercury claims to be #1 on the water. The parent company, Brunswick, owns a lot of boat manufacturers. Most of them have mandatory tie-in arrangements with Mercury Marine...meaning that no matter what, that boat is being sold (from the manufacturer) with a Mercury motor on it. What happens at the dealerships is up to them.

Anyway - each mfr. makes some motors available for repower or other whatever - "loose" motors.

jimh posted 07-15-2011 10:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I suspect that with some boat builders the manner of buying outboard motors goes something like this:

--the boat builder projects that they will sell a certain number of boats, let's say 25-boats of a particular model;

--those 25-boats will need outboard engines; if the boat builder has a relationship with a particular outboard brand, they order 25-outboard motors for those boats;

--actual sales don't go as well as planned, so the boat builder only has orders for 20-boats; this means five extra outboard motors are on order.

--the boat builder decides to off load his extra inventory by selling a few new outboard motors out the back door. This puts a few new outboard motors on the market for local customers. The customers might be individuals or local boat shops.

andygere posted 07-16-2011 01:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
To take Dave's definition a bit farther, a loose motor is one that is purchased in the crate, and the buyer makes arrangements for installation or does it himself. This is different than a dealer repowering the boat, where the dealer removes the old motor, and installs and rigs the new one.
Tohsgib posted 07-16-2011 09:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
A loose motor is usually a Mercury because once you buy it you eventually get screwed.
sblack posted 07-16-2011 09:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for sblack  Send Email to sblack     
Everyone here is absolutely correct with only one thing being missed...Don't buy an E Tec because they are terrible! Yea, you can only wish that a marriage or relatioship could remain healthy with 3 years of ignorance, but it is simply not true, nor possible. Outboards are not built to be ignored,plus you need a designated space for your two stroke oil container and the HD-100 @ $40/gallon on top of gas pricesis no great deal and believe me the E Tec 250's don't sip that stuff. HD-100 is like Maker's Mark Whiskey to them, and they suck it down! My experience is with the V-6 E-Tec 250's and perhaps the smaller model E Tec's would suit a smaller Whaler very well, but the offshore Models I had were horrible, plus the water intakes always picked up eelgrass and debris always leading to an overheated powerhead.

BUY A YAMAHA 4 STROKE and you will be pleased for life with minimal problems...if any. Yea, they may not win the hole shot or pulling contests BRP shows online, but who cares about the quickness of an impressive holeshot when you run 50 miles short of your one way destination because of poor fuel consumption?

pcrussell50 posted 07-16-2011 10:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for pcrussell50  Send Email to pcrussell50     
Well, put the way you did and for your uses...

But some of us have no choice. Most older boats, including classic Whalers simply were not made to handle the weight of the new stuff. Warren/WT put out some eye opening stuff about classic Montauks tendncy to capsizing when hung with the 400lb 90hp Mercury FourStroke. The exact combo I have. The lightest low emission 90hp I know of is still 375 lbs. Some of you bay area guys like Tony, who went with 75hp, (or was it 70?), are on to something.

In my case, I'm being forced by law to repower my small padded-v hull boats, or discontinue their use. The E-TECs, while still at least 90lbs too heavy, are the lightest game in town, for low emission, v4-sized outboards. Period. There simply is no other choice. Unlike the classic car hobby, which has the political clout to survive, the classic boat hobby... um... doesn't.

-Peter

jimh posted 07-16-2011 10:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
It is widely know that eelgrass has a special affinity for E-TEC motors, and it can tell when an E-TEC engine is operating nearby. The eelgrass targets E-TEC motors specifically and only fouls their water intakes, giving Yamaha a free pass. You can take this sort of advice to the bank.
Tohsgib posted 07-17-2011 09:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Pete...I have owned 4 Whalers with heavy 4 strokes and no offense but he is full of crap. I kinda pioneered 4 strokes on Montauks on this forum for the most part and for 10+ years I have to continue this stupid debate with people that have NO experience on said vessels they are condoning. I believe Warren also ruined a perfectly good boat and engine that belonged to the Sea Shepherds trying to get it off the rocks...I would take his advice with a SMALL grain of salt....and anyone else who has NEVER owned one. Personally I would NEVER buy an E-Tec nor an Optimax or HPDI.

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