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elaelap posted 10-27-2011 03:06 PM ET (US)
Having nothing better to do (actually avoiding doing something relatively important but very, very boring), I crunched some numbers and discovered the real reason our economy is in the tank:
Total number of posts at this website as of 11:45 a.m., Thursday, October 27, 2011 -- 551,710
Let's say it takes, on average, ten minutes per post --
5,517,100 minutes
Which equals -- 91,951.7 hours
Or, 11,493.9 eight hour days, which makes
2,298.8 five day work weeks, during which God knows how much constructive work could otherwise have been accomplished.
And those are just the figures from our relatively esoteric, exclusive motorboating site. Now think about the total work weeks expended (I won't say [i]wasted{/i]) at the reality show sites, the Lady Gagas, the porn sites, even the Bayliner Users Forum. Hard to see how any work gets done at all, eh? No wonder the economy's in trouble.
Tony
Now back to...work.
Tohsgib posted 10-27-2011 03:20 PM ET (US)
Crunch the numbers on Texting and your head will explode.
WT posted 10-27-2011 03:24 PM ET (US)
The economy is not in trouble if you look at the Dow at 12,200. No problems at all.
K Albus posted 10-27-2011 03:32 PM ET (US)
Also note that Jim H has reset some of the post counters on the forum in the past. I seem to recall that there was a problem when the GAM section post counter hit 1,000,000.
litnin posted 10-27-2011 04:02 PM ET (US)
All work and no play makes anyone weird, boring or unhappy.
WT-It's all paper.
jimp posted 10-27-2011 05:35 PM ET (US)
Great job, Tony, glad I read it. 2 minutes.
JimP
Newtauk1 posted 10-27-2011 08:29 PM ET (US)
There are many that claim technologies such as the PC, Mac products and the internet have done more damage than good to society. In fact one argument is that technologies such as the PC and Al Gore’s internet have actually resulted in less jobs and more poverty. Certainly the argument for a dumber society existing now is valid simple by reading the gems on this site.
Newtauk1 posted 10-27-2011 08:30 PM ET (US)
Certainly spelling has become worse :)
Binkster posted 10-27-2011 08:42 PM ET (US)
[Certainly the argument for a dumber society existing now is valid simple by reading the gems on this site.]
I think TV is to blame, not the Internet. At least this site keeps my TV turned off. Besides, now we're now all accomplished authors, although some are fiction writers.
David Pendleton posted 10-27-2011 08:55 PM ET (US)
The PC has kept me employed for 26 years, and counting.
dscew posted 10-27-2011 09:24 PM ET (US)
Wouldn't hurt if they made the hardware in the USA instead of offshoring it to the lowest bidder and then sending the cheap crap back here while keeping the profits in a shell corporation offshore, too. And maybe keep the call centers here, while they're at it. I don't think Gore had a lot to do with all that.
egres posted 10-27-2011 11:09 PM ET (US)
Tony,
I think that a rumbling poem is trying to boil out on this subject.
The question will remain to be answered..
What were you doing when this idea of a thread came to you?
power2boat posted 10-27-2011 11:52 PM ET (US)
Went fishing today,80'f, 15knot seabreeze,2 Ono's in the box.Home by 10:30AM.
Life can be good on a Boston Whaler, you just have to get out there!!!
pete r posted 10-28-2011 12:13 AM ET (US)
Ah! You guys too must be getting better a understanding of broken english.
That joyfull experience we all must share to have your phone, computer, invoice inquiry or similar fixed!!!
And then there is the joy of the marketing call when your just about to eat your dinner.
'Love them call centres'
WT posted 10-28-2011 01:10 AM ET (US)
Actually the new technology, if used properly makes you more efficient.
I've sold apartment buildings in Denver, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Seattle and all over California without ever physically seeing the building or meeting the owner of the property.
I can trade stocks without having to pay my Wells Fargo Advisor or Morgan Stanley broker $100/trade. Only after paying thousands in fees do they now want me to do an "all you can eat deal". I can lose money just as well as them but I can do it cheaper. :-)
I've also meet 2 strangers on this site and we've bought/owned 3 different Boston Whaler boats.
Technology isn't all that bad.
Warren
Newtauk1 posted 10-28-2011 03:44 AM ET (US)
"more efficient" does not equate to a better society. We are willing to by pass the Mom and Pop store to save 5% by ordering on line and then complain about our property tax increases because our towns have no business tax base.
Steve Jobs and Bill Gates have had success very much like Robert Oppenheimer of the Manhattan Project. Their good deeds for society must be be weighed against the evil results and by products of the inventions.
WT posted 10-28-2011 04:44 AM ET (US)
People need to adapt to their ever changing environments. Jobs, people, businesses, towns, cities are going to vanish because they did not adapt to their changing environments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptation
Good luck to all,
Warren
maverick posted 10-28-2011 05:26 AM ET (US)
I'm still trying to figure out why an outboard motor costs so much - $10,000 for say a 150HP? Are ya kidding me?
Can the manufacturing costs be this high, or is it a small buyer audience that is being held captive?

Newtauk1 posted 10-28-2011 06:59 AM ET (US)
Fortunately, mankind posesses additional traits then simple organisms which simple adapt. Some of these traits include compassion, civility, intropsection and spirituality.
If " Jobs, people, businesses, towns, cities are going to vanish "LOL; I am not sure what we will have left. Cockroaches?
wikipedia is always good for answers, not always the right ones, but answers just the same. wikipedia is a good example of how the internet has dumbed down society as many trust it for answers rather then opening a book and actually doing hard research. Cut and Paste has taken over for research, thought and insghtful learning.
Again, Its Al Gore's internet and we all know how cunning he is.
egres posted 11-01-2011 01:17 PM ET (US)
This may give us a clue as to where the economy is going.
• 2011 Evinrude 115 HP E-TEC E115DBXII – $16537*
• 2011 Evinrude 115 HP E-TEC E115DCXII – $17174*
• 2011 Evinrude 115 HP E-TEC E115DPLII – $16253*
Tohsgib posted 11-01-2011 01:48 PM ET (US)
egres...MSRP is a joke on outboards. 115's(engine only) are roughly $7500-9k.
AZdave posted 11-02-2011 12:01 AM ET (US)
I started out waiting two weeks for the bookmobile to get to my one room schoolhouse. When it arrived I got five new books to read. Tonight I can reach almost all the libraries on earth is seconds. I can look at three dimensional overheads of the area I'm hunting for free on Google Earth. And I'm retired, so no loss of productivity is involved. Life is good.
AZdave posted 11-02-2011 12:02 AM ET (US)
I started out waiting two weeks for the bookmobile to get to my one room schoolhouse. When it arrived I got five new books to read. Tonight I can reach almost all the libraries on earth is seconds. I can look at three dimensional overheads of the area I'm hunting for free on Google Earth. And I'm retired, so no loss of productivity is involved. Life is good.
Tohsgib posted 11-02-2011 11:00 AM ET (US)
Man I LOVED the bookmobile. Kids these days probably never seen one or Officer Friendly.
egres posted 11-02-2011 11:40 AM ET (US)
This topic is about the economy is it not?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4djfc9qlQa4
Where is our money?..gone to?
lizard posted 11-02-2011 12:39 PM ET (US)
Things must be different in FLA, where Toshgib says MSRP is a joke. A couple of years ago, when I had a Montauk, I was pricing putting a 90 hp E-tec on it.
I got three bids for sales and install, between $9200 and $9975m, with gauges, controls, etc. The negotiator (me) was quite effective at getting thousands off of a Tacoma pick up, with a lot of options added, a few years earlier. In those days, Tacomas were considered non-negotiable. In short, I can bargain. No luck on the E-tecs in this locale.

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Author	Topic: No wonder the economy's in trouble
elaelap	posted 10-27-2011 03:06 PM ET (US) Having nothing better to do (actually avoiding doing something relatively important but very, very boring), I crunched some numbers and discovered the real reason our economy is in the tank: Total number of posts at this website as of 11:45 a.m., Thursday, October 27, 2011 -- 551,710 Let's say it takes, on average, ten minutes per post -- 5,517,100 minutes Which equals -- 91,951.7 hours Or, 11,493.9 eight hour days, which makes 2,298.8 five day work weeks, during which God knows how much constructive work could otherwise have been accomplished. And those are just the figures from our relatively esoteric, exclusive motorboating site. Now think about the total work weeks expended (I won't say [i]wasted{/i]) at the reality show sites, the Lady Gagas, the porn sites, even the Bayliner Users Forum. Hard to see how any work gets done at all, eh? No wonder the economy's in trouble. Tony Now back to...work.
Tohsgib	posted 10-27-2011 03:20 PM ET (US) Crunch the numbers on Texting and your head will explode.
WT	posted 10-27-2011 03:24 PM ET (US) The economy is not in trouble if you look at the Dow at 12,200. No problems at all.
K Albus	posted 10-27-2011 03:32 PM ET (US) Also note that Jim H has reset some of the post counters on the forum in the past. I seem to recall that there was a problem when the GAM section post counter hit 1,000,000.
litnin	posted 10-27-2011 04:02 PM ET (US) All work and no play makes anyone weird, boring or unhappy. WT-It's all paper.
jimp	posted 10-27-2011 05:35 PM ET (US) Great job, Tony, glad I read it. 2 minutes. JimP
Newtauk1	posted 10-27-2011 08:29 PM ET (US) There are many that claim technologies such as the PC, Mac products and the internet have done more damage than good to society. In fact one argument is that technologies such as the PC and Al Gore’s internet have actually resulted in less jobs and more poverty. Certainly the argument for a dumber society existing now is valid simple by reading the gems on this site.
Newtauk1	posted 10-27-2011 08:30 PM ET (US) Certainly spelling has become worse :)
Binkster	posted 10-27-2011 08:42 PM ET (US) [Certainly the argument for a dumber society existing now is valid simple by reading the gems on this site.] I think TV is to blame, not the Internet. At least this site keeps my TV turned off. Besides, now we're now all accomplished authors, although some are fiction writers.
David Pendleton	posted 10-27-2011 08:55 PM ET (US) The PC has kept me employed for 26 years, and counting.
dscew	posted 10-27-2011 09:24 PM ET (US) Wouldn't hurt if they made the hardware in the USA instead of offshoring it to the lowest bidder and then sending the cheap crap back here while keeping the profits in a shell corporation offshore, too. And maybe keep the call centers here, while they're at it. I don't think Gore had a lot to do with all that.
egres	posted 10-27-2011 11:09 PM ET (US) Tony, I think that a rumbling poem is trying to boil out on this subject. The question will remain to be answered.. What were you doing when this idea of a thread came to you?
power2boat	posted 10-27-2011 11:52 PM ET (US) Went fishing today,80'f, 15knot seabreeze,2 Ono's in the box.Home by 10:30AM. Life can be good on a Boston Whaler, you just have to get out there!!!
pete r	posted 10-28-2011 12:13 AM ET (US) Ah! You guys too must be getting better a understanding of broken english. That joyfull experience we all must share to have your phone, computer, invoice inquiry or similar fixed!!! And then there is the joy of the marketing call when your just about to eat your dinner. 'Love them call centres'
WT	posted 10-28-2011 01:10 AM ET (US) Actually the new technology, if used properly makes you more efficient. I've sold apartment buildings in Denver, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Seattle and all over California without ever physically seeing the building or meeting the owner of the property. I can trade stocks without having to pay my Wells Fargo Advisor or Morgan Stanley broker $100/trade. Only after paying thousands in fees do they now want me to do an "all you can eat deal". I can lose money just as well as them but I can do it cheaper. :-) I've also meet 2 strangers on this site and we've bought/owned 3 different Boston Whaler boats. Technology isn't all that bad. Warren
Newtauk1	posted 10-28-2011 03:44 AM ET (US) "more efficient" does not equate to a better society. We are willing to by pass the Mom and Pop store to save 5% by ordering on line and then complain about our property tax increases because our towns have no business tax base. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates have had success very much like Robert Oppenheimer of the Manhattan Project. Their good deeds for society must be be weighed against the evil results and by products of the inventions.
WT	posted 10-28-2011 04:44 AM ET (US) People need to adapt to their ever changing environments. Jobs, people, businesses, towns, cities are going to vanish because they did not adapt to their changing environments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptation Good luck to all, Warren
maverick	posted 10-28-2011 05:26 AM ET (US) I'm still trying to figure out why an outboard motor costs so much - $10,000 for say a 150HP? Are ya kidding me? Can the manufacturing costs be this high, or is it a small buyer audience that is being held captive?
Newtauk1	posted 10-28-2011 06:59 AM ET (US) Fortunately, mankind posesses additional traits then simple organisms which simple adapt. Some of these traits include compassion, civility, intropsection and spirituality. If " Jobs, people, businesses, towns, cities are going to vanish "LOL; I am not sure what we will have left. Cockroaches? wikipedia is always good for answers, not always the right ones, but answers just the same. wikipedia is a good example of how the internet has dumbed down society as many trust it for answers rather then opening a book and actually doing hard research. Cut and Paste has taken over for research, thought and insghtful learning. Again, Its Al Gore's internet and we all know how cunning he is.
egres	posted 11-01-2011 01:17 PM ET (US) This may give us a clue as to where the economy is going. • 2011 Evinrude 115 HP E-TEC E115DBXII – $16537* • 2011 Evinrude 115 HP E-TEC E115DCXII – $17174* • 2011 Evinrude 115 HP E-TEC E115DPLII – $16253*
Tohsgib	posted 11-01-2011 01:48 PM ET (US) egres...MSRP is a joke on outboards. 115's(engine only) are roughly $7500-9k.
AZdave	posted 11-02-2011 12:01 AM ET (US) I started out waiting two weeks for the bookmobile to get to my one room schoolhouse. When it arrived I got five new books to read. Tonight I can reach almost all the libraries on earth is seconds. I can look at three dimensional overheads of the area I'm hunting for free on Google Earth. And I'm retired, so no loss of productivity is involved. Life is good.
AZdave	posted 11-02-2011 12:02 AM ET (US) I started out waiting two weeks for the bookmobile to get to my one room schoolhouse. When it arrived I got five new books to read. Tonight I can reach almost all the libraries on earth is seconds. I can look at three dimensional overheads of the area I'm hunting for free on Google Earth. And I'm retired, so no loss of productivity is involved. Life is good.
Tohsgib	posted 11-02-2011 11:00 AM ET (US) Man I LOVED the bookmobile. Kids these days probably never seen one or Officer Friendly.
egres	posted 11-02-2011 11:40 AM ET (US) This topic is about the economy is it not? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4djfc9qlQa4 Where is our money?..gone to?
lizard	posted 11-02-2011 12:39 PM ET (US) Things must be different in FLA, where Toshgib says MSRP is a joke. A couple of years ago, when I had a Montauk, I was pricing putting a 90 hp E-tec on it. I got three bids for sales and install, between $9200 and $9975m, with gauges, controls, etc. The negotiator (me) was quite effective at getting thousands off of a Tacoma pick up, with a lot of options added, a few years earlier. In those days, Tacomas were considered non-negotiable. In short, I can bargain. No luck on the E-tecs in this locale.